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A NEW Year with lots of changes

No, of course not Realist- but

You have to admit there is a HUGE difference of perception in picking up Rush Limbaugh from a station and picking up a fired talk show host.
 
Re: No, of course not Realist- but

> You have to admit there is a HUGE difference of perception
> in picking up Rush Limbaugh from a station and picking up a
> fired talk show host.

Of course there is. That's why I figured making a reference to Limbaugh would prompt nothing more than a light-hearted reply along the lines of "Oops. I meant no KDKA cast-off EXCEPT Limbaugh".
 
Okay

I probably should let this go, but the way you wrote the "joke" it didn't come off as a joke.

Let's face it- no station wants to get rid of Rush Limbaugh if they have him. He is the all-time great radio talk show host- whether you agree with his politics or not- and when you have him on your airwaves you take on the persona of being the top news-talk station in town.
 
> > If I were a betting man, I'd wager on Froggy continuing to
>
> > be the four-headed creature with a common voice. The only
> > possible adjustment, I would think, could be to somehow
> link
> > the two FM Pickles in Ellwood City and Uniontown.
>
> They are: Fish (ex-WJPA) is morning man on both (in
> Uniontown, must be hotlinked to Ellwood City), and then they
> run the ABC oldies thing off the bird ("Oldies Radio")
> simultaneously after 9am.
>
Ah, a clarification is needed here. I meant a link in terms of signals. Ellwood City is 6,000 watts, I seem to recall, Uniontown at least 3,000, and neither put a decent signal over Interstate 376. And I suspect the folks in Carnegie wouldn't mind having a "Pickle" to sour 3WS' day in the heart of the metro.

Thank you for that reminder about what Keymarket does now with oldies.
 
> > > If I were a betting man, I'd wager on Froggy continuing
> to
> >
> > > be the four-headed creature with a common voice. The
> only
> > > possible adjustment, I would think, could be to somehow
> > link
> > > the two FM Pickles in Ellwood City and Uniontown.
> >
> > They are: Fish (ex-WJPA) is morning man on both (in
> > Uniontown, must be hotlinked to Ellwood City), and then
> they
> > run the ABC oldies thing off the bird ("Oldies Radio")
> > simultaneously after 9am.
> >
> Ah, a clarification is needed here. I meant a link in terms
> of signals. Ellwood City is 6,000 watts, I seem to recall,
> Uniontown at least 3,000, and neither put a decent signal
> over Interstate 376. And I suspect the folks in Carnegie
> wouldn't mind having a "Pickle" to sour 3WS' day in the
> heart of the metro.
>
> Thank you for that reminder about what Keymarket does now
> with oldies.

Gotcha. Keymarket might like a good metro signal for the oldies format, but would they be willing to spend the moolah just to run a satellite oldies format on a metro signal?

And if so...would 3WS be sufficiently harmed by same? I tend to lean towards no: 3WS's live-local dayparts are more interactive than the ABC oldies satellite. Dave Michaels and Ron Foster (ABC oldies) are good jocks, and they do answer the request line (I know for a fact...even though it took and hour and 1/2 to get to the request), but listening to them they sound distant.

Now, as we've all said before: make WJPA a full-market signal, and, hmmmm...

[n.b. WJPA had the chance to go to 50kw FM years ago--and they turned it down. Those days are long gone, unfortunately.]
 
Here's another good idea that will never happen.

Convince ALL the people running oldies programming on suburban stations to all hook together into a regional oldies network. Forget running a national satelite feed, just run a regional network of 24/7 live and "local", with local meaning all of southwestern PA. It would mean listeners who travel long distances might have to hit a station button when they cross signal territories.

The main advantages would be that this multi-station regional network could pool resources for news, they'd only need one set of DJ's to cover all 24 hours which would almost be as cheap as plugging into a satelite. They could split their programming for things like high school football and other sporting events.

The model for such a network would be West Virginia public radio, which simulcasts most of the time over the entire state.

Of course, this will never, ever happen. It's just an idea to think about.

> Gotcha. Keymarket might like a good metro signal for the
> oldies format, but would they be willing to spend the moolah
> just to run a satellite oldies format on a metro signal?
>
> And if so...would 3WS be sufficiently harmed by same? I
> tend to lean towards no: 3WS's live-local dayparts are more
> interactive than the ABC oldies satellite. Dave Michaels
> and Ron Foster (ABC oldies) are good jocks, and they do
> answer the request line (I know for a fact...even though it
> took and hour and 1/2 to get to the request), but listening
> to them they sound distant.
>
> Now, as we've all said before: make WJPA a full-market
> signal, and, hmmmm...
>
> [n.b. WJPA had the chance to go to 50kw FM years ago--and
> they turned it down. Those days are long gone,
> unfortunately.]
>
 
Re: Here's another good idea that will never happen.

> Convince ALL the people running oldies programming on
> suburban stations to all hook together into a regional
> oldies network. Forget running a national satelite feed,
> just run a regional network of 24/7 live and "local", with
> local meaning all of southwestern PA. It would mean
> listeners who travel long distances might have to hit a
> station button when they cross signal territories.
>
> The main advantages would be that this multi-station
> regional network could pool resources for news, they'd only
> need one set of DJ's to cover all 24 hours which would
> almost be as cheap as plugging into a satelite. They could
> split their programming for things like high school football
> and other sporting events.
>
> The model for such a network would be West Virginia public
> radio, which simulcasts most of the time over the entire
> state.
>
> Of course, this will never, ever happen. It's just an idea
> to think about.

Good idea, BUT! Same situation as above: no metro signal. You'd have the suburbs set (north (92.1, 1460), east (103.9, 620/770, 99.3, Latrobe's AM simulcast of 103.9), west (92.1), south (95.3, 1450, 99.3, 1130), but with the exception of WJPA's South Hills crackle and a very strong signal daytime from 620, the others don't reach Allegheny County with any manner of reasonable signal.

The situation is worse at night: the AMs (1450, 1460) are graveyard and their 1kw reaches not far beyond the immediate area. 620 goes down to 50 watts--still receivable in Allegheny County, but it's hard. Farther west is chancy...only because my little Toyota has a good receiver can I get the 50 watt 620 signal into Ohio on the turnpike. The other AMs are daytimers, as far as I know.
 
Re: Here's another good idea that will never happen.

> Good idea, BUT! Same situation as above: no metro signal.
> You'd have the suburbs set (north (92.1, 1460), east (103.9,
> 620/770, 99.3, Latrobe's AM simulcast of 103.9), west
> (92.1), south (95.3, 1450, 99.3, 1130), but with the
> exception of WJPA's South Hills crackle and a very strong
> signal daytime from 620, the others don't reach Allegheny
> County with any manner of reasonable signal.

But I think that very strong daytime signal from 620 would be adequate for this purely hypothetical idea.

> The situation is worse at night: the AMs (1450, 1460) are
> graveyard and their 1kw reaches not far beyond the immediate
> area. 620 goes down to 50 watts--still receivable in
> Allegheny County, but it's hard. Farther west is
> chancy...only because my little Toyota has a good receiver
> can I get the 50 watt 620 signal into Ohio on the turnpike.
> The other AMs are daytimers, as far as I know.

I don't see that having mostly day-time coverage would be that big a deal breaker for such a network. Except for the early, pre-sunup drive time and late, post-sunset drive time in the depths of winter, this imaginary network would cover most of the area at the time when most of the people who listen to the radio are listening. It's no where near perfect, but the fact that a station can't operate at night for those people who are out and about at night shouldn't stand in the way of making some money in the daytime.

The question about this imaginary, "ain't never gonna happen anyway" network shoudn't be "What keeps it from being perfect", it should be "would this be better for the folks running these stations than what they've got going right now?".
 
Re: Okay

> I probably should let this go, but the way you wrote the
> "joke" it didn't come off as a joke.
>
> Let's face it- no station wants to get rid of Rush Limbaugh
> if they have him. He is the all-time great radio talk show
> host- whether you agree with his politics or not- and when
> you have him on your airwaves you take on the persona of
> being the top news-talk station in town.
>
Neo-con propaganda is not news . Insulting minorities is not news. Insulting women is not news. You take on Rush and your the top government mouthpiece in town
 
> >
> > Rumors about WLTJ are still flying around
> >
>
> Really? What have you heard? :)

1) All Polkas all the time
2) Brokered programming
3) Air America
4) AAA
5) Relay of wwkb
>
 
Merely some thoughts

> > I probably should let this go, but the way you wrote the
> > "joke" it didn't come off as a joke.
> >
> > Let's face it- no station wants to get rid of Rush
> Limbaugh
> > if they have him. He is the all-time great radio talk show
>
> > host- whether you agree with his politics or not- and when
>
> > you have him on your airwaves you take on the persona of
> > being the top news-talk station in town.
> >
> Neo-con propaganda is not news . Insulting minorities is
> not news. Insulting women is not news. You take on Rush and
> your the top government mouthpiece in town
>
Rush Limbaugh calls himself America's anchorman, but even he seems to say that with tongue firmly planted in cheek.

Given that Rush is probably closer aligned to those now in power in Washington, with a GOP President and GOP majorities in both houses of Congress, wouldn't that make Rush the top government mouthpiece in town?

Also, what ISN'T propaganda on a talk show? Talk shows by their very nature are a discussion of issues, although more often "Crossfire" in nature than the polite conversation of a salon.

And is it more a matter of insulting liberals among women and minorities than entire classes?

Merely some thoughts.

By the way, I soon mark three decades in this business ... and I was in school when Mr. Limbaugh was working a few blocks away as a disc jockey. So, perhaps the self-proclaimed "Era of Limbaugh" soon may be passing.

Again, merely some thoughts.
 
Re: I like

> Government mouthpieces.
>
> "You take on Rush and
> your (sic) the top government mouthpiece in town"

Conservatives were a lot cuter when they championed small government. How did it get so reversed? They want to tell me I can't marry another woman, but spend 4 days putzing while Katrina victims suffered and now they want to spy on us. They are probably reading this and I'm toast. But I agree, a left slanted show is also propaganda, but seems less harmful because outside of Pacifica and NPR, the liberal media doesn't exist. ( nor have any power) When moderates like Larry King and Lou Dobbs become the voices of reason, we are in trouble. until AA gets major FM outlets in big cities,it is almost useless.
 
Rush

I wouldn't bet on Rush's demise anytime soon. I think he's 52, and I would estimate that at least means he has eight more years at the top remaining.

The syndication is waaaaay too strong. You have 600 radio stations essentially planning their programming around him. And Republicans aren't going away.

The only way I could see Limbaugh falling from the top is if Sean Hannity was able to catch him- and he's not far from doing that but he's still not "it."

And that's hardly the end of the "Era of Limbaugh" that the liberals want.






> By the way, I soon mark three decades in this business ...
> and I was in school when Mr. Limbaugh was working a few
> blocks away as a disc jockey. So, perhaps the
> self-proclaimed "Era of Limbaugh" soon may be passing.
>
> Again, merely some thoughts.
>
 
Re: Rush

> I wouldn't bet on Rush's demise anytime soon. I think he's
> 52, and I would estimate that at least means he has eight
> more years at the top remaining.
>
> The syndication is waaaaay too strong. You have 600 radio
> stations essentially planning their programming around him.
> And Republicans aren't going away.
>
> The only way I could see Limbaugh falling from the top is if
> Sean Hannity was able to catch him- and he's not far from
> doing that but he's still not "it."
>
> And that's hardly the end of the "Era of Limbaugh" that the
> liberals want.

As a card carrying liberal, I really feel that Rushbo has the right to be on the air and say whatever he wants. I think, however that Sirius ought to make a Rushmeister 100 and people who want to hear the Rushman can pay for it. In fact, why don't all the obnoxious and boorish louts who spout right -wing bilge, or little boys who tell fart jokes and slaughter pigs on the air stay on satellite radio. If you like that stuff, pay for it. Give terrestrial radio back to class acts like Cousin Brucie or his successors.
>
>
>
>
>
> > By the way, I soon mark three decades in this business ...
>
> > and I was in school when Mr. Limbaugh was working a few
> > blocks away as a disc jockey. So, perhaps the
> > self-proclaimed "Era of Limbaugh" soon may be passing.
> >
> > Again, merely some thoughts.
> >
>
 
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