That's It! Play Gospel! Amen! Good Luck to Paula! May she be blessed with success! She gave the Talk City Format a good run on the station and should have done much better. I commend her for trying and the effort she put into the station for as long as she did! Too bad KCTC tripped her up and they did! Which was just another example of how the big boys will do whatever it takes to make sure an individual station owner fails, in order to protect their bottom lines and to maintain as little real competition as possible. And they did it to her twice!
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A note to Paula Nelson.
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Can you elaborate on how the big companies do that to small owners? This is not a flame or a challenge to your post, I'm genuinely (sp?) interested on this topic - I have never understood why the FCC with all their righteous might have not figured out how to empower local folks to keep a plate at the local broadcast table.
Thanks.
Thanks.
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First of all, MAJOR props to Paula!! It is nice to see a black woman running a business in Sacramento. I wish her great success! Not just because I am black, or I have the hots for her, but because she is due for some.
Here's my beef- Why does everyone assume that blacks are always going to be on the 'left'. The reason her 'progressive' format was a flop is because liberal radio doesn't work. Then the appeal to the black population was a slap in the face. Oh, excuse me, the 'African American' population. Another pet peeve- I am NOT from Africa. I am American with some African ancestors. I am BLACK for goodness sakes!! Who the heck was running that sloth anyway? If you're going to pander to black people, at LEAST do it right.
Anyway, I am excited to hear the new format. I hope this works well for the station. Although, it seems odd to go from left wing straight to gospel. I suspect this may not be the conservative Christian type of gospel that would be heard on Harold Camping's stations. I just hope and PRAY this will not be the Reverend Wright, Al Sharpton, or Jesse Jackson brand of 'gospel' programming. That is the LAST thing I want to hear. Those idiots do NOT speak for me!!!
Here's my beef- Why does everyone assume that blacks are always going to be on the 'left'. The reason her 'progressive' format was a flop is because liberal radio doesn't work. Then the appeal to the black population was a slap in the face. Oh, excuse me, the 'African American' population. Another pet peeve- I am NOT from Africa. I am American with some African ancestors. I am BLACK for goodness sakes!! Who the heck was running that sloth anyway? If you're going to pander to black people, at LEAST do it right.
Anyway, I am excited to hear the new format. I hope this works well for the station. Although, it seems odd to go from left wing straight to gospel. I suspect this may not be the conservative Christian type of gospel that would be heard on Harold Camping's stations. I just hope and PRAY this will not be the Reverend Wright, Al Sharpton, or Jesse Jackson brand of 'gospel' programming. That is the LAST thing I want to hear. Those idiots do NOT speak for me!!!
Tube, a couple of things:
No one gives a damn about the color of your skin, or where you're from. As has been said inside this business and out, the content of your comments are what counts, not the color of your skin.
I don't know Paula at all but from whatever can be gathered by those who have commented about her here or in the industry, she appears not to be very good at running a radio station, and that's got nothing to do with skin color, either.
It's probably a good guess that the current format won't deliver ratings any more significant than anything else that has surfaced on what is a doomed signal, and that's the real problem with her station --the signal. That said, sorry, but to claim that the reason her "progressive" format failed was because liberal radio doesn't work is a stupid, stupid comment. Just plain stupid, but it demonstrates how even an experienced broadcaster might be blinded by partisan biases. It's not liberal radio that doesn't work; it's bad radio that doesn't work, and Air America was simply bad radio. In Paula's case, Rush Limbaugh could not make her station successful. The signal simply can't compete, which, incidentally, is a credit to Christine Craft, who, considering the Sisyphus-like odds, managed to carve out a respectable niche for herself despite what you would no doubt consider to be her politics. Her politics are liberal, but her broadcast skills are considerable.
By the way, on a political note and because you brought the names up, I find it interesting that the very people who have complained that the likes of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson always play the race card are doing exactly the same thing with Reverend Wright. Perish the thought they might listen to a whole sermon rather than a soundbite, but clearly there are many who let hypocrites speak for them.
No one gives a damn about the color of your skin, or where you're from. As has been said inside this business and out, the content of your comments are what counts, not the color of your skin.
I don't know Paula at all but from whatever can be gathered by those who have commented about her here or in the industry, she appears not to be very good at running a radio station, and that's got nothing to do with skin color, either.
It's probably a good guess that the current format won't deliver ratings any more significant than anything else that has surfaced on what is a doomed signal, and that's the real problem with her station --the signal. That said, sorry, but to claim that the reason her "progressive" format failed was because liberal radio doesn't work is a stupid, stupid comment. Just plain stupid, but it demonstrates how even an experienced broadcaster might be blinded by partisan biases. It's not liberal radio that doesn't work; it's bad radio that doesn't work, and Air America was simply bad radio. In Paula's case, Rush Limbaugh could not make her station successful. The signal simply can't compete, which, incidentally, is a credit to Christine Craft, who, considering the Sisyphus-like odds, managed to carve out a respectable niche for herself despite what you would no doubt consider to be her politics. Her politics are liberal, but her broadcast skills are considerable.
By the way, on a political note and because you brought the names up, I find it interesting that the very people who have complained that the likes of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson always play the race card are doing exactly the same thing with Reverend Wright. Perish the thought they might listen to a whole sermon rather than a soundbite, but clearly there are many who let hypocrites speak for them.
lib radio is a hard sell ..understandably because it dares to speak the truth about corporate(not all bad) America..but you have to have someone doing sales..don't you? YOU have to answer the phones when someone wants to buy airtime..this was just never the case at KSAC..and it has nothing to do with the light brown skin color and considerable good looks of Ms. Nelson who when she was good was lots of fun..and when she was bad..was horrid beyond all belief and description....at least she had the guts to try lib format..we had it for three plus years and that's not a bad thing.
I swear my head is going to explode...
Folks...KSAC's demise had nothing to do with the "Progressive Talk" content...it had much to do with the fact that the programs were not captivating/entertaining enough to keep listeners...one has to entertain as well as inform.
Air America's failure has little to nothing to do with politics...it is BAD radio...hosts who know nothing about the medium, and managment who thinks ANYONE can do radio and fill 3-4 hours of content...a day!
Rush succeeds in part because he understands radio, and can entertain, incite, invoke, and the rest...politics is immaterial if you can convey a message in catchy manner that resonates!
Sure, there are many right wing shows that are not very good, but do get a "hall pass" because of the success of Rush.
When a lefty talker gets there, then it will appear that lefty talk will be more acceptable and widespread.
Now..after all the above, KSAC was working with folk who honestly have no business being in the radio business..so you couple those things together, and you get failure. It is radio 101 folks!
Those who say no one wants/agrees/likes "Progressive Talk" is BS...what the audience doesn't like is boring radio, delivered by boring hosts!
I will now remove my head from my table vice before I throw a Canipsion fit!
Folks...KSAC's demise had nothing to do with the "Progressive Talk" content...it had much to do with the fact that the programs were not captivating/entertaining enough to keep listeners...one has to entertain as well as inform.
Air America's failure has little to nothing to do with politics...it is BAD radio...hosts who know nothing about the medium, and managment who thinks ANYONE can do radio and fill 3-4 hours of content...a day!
Rush succeeds in part because he understands radio, and can entertain, incite, invoke, and the rest...politics is immaterial if you can convey a message in catchy manner that resonates!
Sure, there are many right wing shows that are not very good, but do get a "hall pass" because of the success of Rush.
When a lefty talker gets there, then it will appear that lefty talk will be more acceptable and widespread.
Now..after all the above, KSAC was working with folk who honestly have no business being in the radio business..so you couple those things together, and you get failure. It is radio 101 folks!
Those who say no one wants/agrees/likes "Progressive Talk" is BS...what the audience doesn't like is boring radio, delivered by boring hosts!
I will now remove my head from my table vice before I throw a Canipsion fit!
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kinetic said:
It looks like you misread my post. Or, I did a poor job of putting my thoughts into words.
This is not intended as a religious reference, but an explanation ONLY- As for Rev. Wright, it does not matter if you listen to a whole sermon or a sound bite. He used the Lord's name in vain, and that is the worst a Christian can do. God's word is very clear about this. Also, his racists comments are not acceptable whether they are in context or not!
I expressed my sincere hope, when it was written, that this new gospel format doesn't lean that way. So far, so good.
Christine:
Don't put me in a box...you should know better then anyone to do that...I voted for Obama.
2nd...I'd worry less about my spelling and more about your show. You are so caught up in folks grammar and typos that you miss the point entirely, or better, you cannot refute the point, so you change the conversation...your pulling a Bush by doing that!
"doth thinks she protests too much"...applies to you...
You and I share many of the same views, my issue is the radio end and how the messsage(s) is conveyed, however you are so focused on the politics you actually miss the issue and the story.
You further support my claim that it is not the politics of Progressive Talk that hurt it, it is those who carry the message, they take themselves way too seriously and often act too self important, as if they are greater then the cause and the message.
Don't put me in a box...you should know better then anyone to do that...I voted for Obama.
2nd...I'd worry less about my spelling and more about your show. You are so caught up in folks grammar and typos that you miss the point entirely, or better, you cannot refute the point, so you change the conversation...your pulling a Bush by doing that!
"doth thinks she protests too much"...applies to you...
You and I share many of the same views, my issue is the radio end and how the messsage(s) is conveyed, however you are so focused on the politics you actually miss the issue and the story.
You further support my claim that it is not the politics of Progressive Talk that hurt it, it is those who carry the message, they take themselves way too seriously and often act too self important, as if they are greater then the cause and the message.
<<He used the Lord's name in vain>>
Oh pleased, get off your pious high horse. Perish the thought you do a little thinking beyond bumper sticker statements. Content of character, not superficial claptrap like skin color and religious dogma. The bottom line with regard to this thread is this: Anyone who says "liberal talk radio doesn't work" doesn't understand radio. Interloper makes the point: Bad radio is bad radio. KSAC's poor signal and less than capable management didn't help. If you can't understand that, it's probably a good thing you retired from radio. As to your response to Interloper about his vote, that had nothing to do with you. It was merely to point out some political/ideological consonance with another poster. But the next time you say people who voted for a particular candidate wasted their vote, please try reading the Bill of Rights instead of the Gospel, starting with the First Amendment.
Oh pleased, get off your pious high horse. Perish the thought you do a little thinking beyond bumper sticker statements. Content of character, not superficial claptrap like skin color and religious dogma. The bottom line with regard to this thread is this: Anyone who says "liberal talk radio doesn't work" doesn't understand radio. Interloper makes the point: Bad radio is bad radio. KSAC's poor signal and less than capable management didn't help. If you can't understand that, it's probably a good thing you retired from radio. As to your response to Interloper about his vote, that had nothing to do with you. It was merely to point out some political/ideological consonance with another poster. But the next time you say people who voted for a particular candidate wasted their vote, please try reading the Bill of Rights instead of the Gospel, starting with the First Amendment.
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el magico said:
Big companies don't "do it" to small companies. ANY company that has the facility, brains and backing can "do it" to ANY other company.
Again, it looks like everyone on here is saying that KSAC failed because no one listens to liberal talk shows, and liberal shows weren't entertaining and/or informative enough, etc. What will your excuse be when this gospel format fails? Who will you blame it on then? Maybe they could have gotten more advertisers if there hadn't been so much dead air while the bozos at the station were getting their coffee's or whatever. And, what about Michelle Fay, that brain dead girl that read the news in the morning?!! She can't read and can't pronounce half of the words she's trying to read. All of my friends and I that listened to the station used to get so mad when we'd have minutes at a time of dead air, or when we had to listen to Michelle stumble through the news. It was just awful!! It wasn't the programs that destroyed the station, it was the local yokels who run it!!!
sla1950....
Fair enough point...but the stick and lack of skill & effort are only part of the problem......"progressive" talk
is doing poorly nationwide, for a variety of reasons.
But one truth remains: there is no one on the left with 10% of Rush's talent. Period. Agree with him or not, you have to hand it to him...he's one great broadcaster.
Fair enough point...but the stick and lack of skill & effort are only part of the problem......"progressive" talk
is doing poorly nationwide, for a variety of reasons.
But one truth remains: there is no one on the left with 10% of Rush's talent. Period. Agree with him or not, you have to hand it to him...he's one great broadcaster.
Burned Out,
I'm sure you think Rush has talent, but I assure you that you are incorrect. He's a drug addicted hypocrite who talks out his @ss for hours every day. No self-respecting woman would ever listen to that male chauvinist bag of wind. He's disgusting!!! So, we agree to disagree. Give me progressive talk ANY day of the week. Thank God I can still stream my beloved radio personalities! You can have Rush, 'cause we sure don't want him!!
A Proud "Femi-Nazi"
I'm sure you think Rush has talent, but I assure you that you are incorrect. He's a drug addicted hypocrite who talks out his @ss for hours every day. No self-respecting woman would ever listen to that male chauvinist bag of wind. He's disgusting!!! So, we agree to disagree. Give me progressive talk ANY day of the week. Thank God I can still stream my beloved radio personalities! You can have Rush, 'cause we sure don't want him!!
A Proud "Femi-Nazi"
sla1950...
Like many who are too caught up in the politics...you miss the point/target by a million miles.
Rush IS a very good broadcaster. I do not agree with any of his politics, but as an objective radio pro of 20+ years, I can tell you, he beats the pants off most everyone, not because of his message or beliefs, but because he knows HOW to deliver those messages and ideology to the massess.
Until the Left figures out that it is not politics or philosophy that hampers them, but the entertainment value and who/how the message is delivered, they will not win the battle for the radio airwaves.
But whenever I try to tell the those folks that, they try to tell me they know more...to which I say, "you are a great example of the elitist liberialism of which you are accused of by the right".
When someone always thinks they know more or better than those who actually work in the industry, I say let their hubris be their downfall.
Even if Obama wins the election (and FWIW I voted for him) Progressive Talk will still stink because most the hosts are terrible communicators and entertainers.
I am tired of my intelligence being insulted by those whose views on politics I share. Shut up and do politics, let the radio pros do radio...then maybe there will be a Progressive talker worth listening to.
Like many who are too caught up in the politics...you miss the point/target by a million miles.
Rush IS a very good broadcaster. I do not agree with any of his politics, but as an objective radio pro of 20+ years, I can tell you, he beats the pants off most everyone, not because of his message or beliefs, but because he knows HOW to deliver those messages and ideology to the massess.
Until the Left figures out that it is not politics or philosophy that hampers them, but the entertainment value and who/how the message is delivered, they will not win the battle for the radio airwaves.
But whenever I try to tell the those folks that, they try to tell me they know more...to which I say, "you are a great example of the elitist liberialism of which you are accused of by the right".
When someone always thinks they know more or better than those who actually work in the industry, I say let their hubris be their downfall.
Even if Obama wins the election (and FWIW I voted for him) Progressive Talk will still stink because most the hosts are terrible communicators and entertainers.
I am tired of my intelligence being insulted by those whose views on politics I share. Shut up and do politics, let the radio pros do radio...then maybe there will be a Progressive talker worth listening to.
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Rush on the radio
maybe this should be on a new thread, but...
You're right Interloper, Rush is a great broadcaster. Great at breeding hate, contempt, and divisivness for whomever is in his sites that day. It works well because there's an aweful lot of angry, contemptous, ragers out there that get off on the angry rants that are his trademark, but trends show he's lost a lot of his audience in the last few years. Guess some of his followers re-thought their loyalty after he got popped for being a pill junkie, which likely didn't sit well with many sensible thinking right wingers and conservatives.
Maybe that's also why KFBK went with more middle of the road Bruce in the pm. Eisenson realized they needed a little more levity and constructive thought after Mark's exit? But that's just my opinion, which you've lovingly pounced upon before...
maybe this should be on a new thread, but...
You're right Interloper, Rush is a great broadcaster. Great at breeding hate, contempt, and divisivness for whomever is in his sites that day. It works well because there's an aweful lot of angry, contemptous, ragers out there that get off on the angry rants that are his trademark, but trends show he's lost a lot of his audience in the last few years. Guess some of his followers re-thought their loyalty after he got popped for being a pill junkie, which likely didn't sit well with many sensible thinking right wingers and conservatives.
Maybe that's also why KFBK went with more middle of the road Bruce in the pm. Eisenson realized they needed a little more levity and constructive thought after Mark's exit? But that's just my opinion, which you've lovingly pounced upon before...
StageFiver.....
True....Rush has lost some audience, but the last time I looked, he still has far more audience than anyone out there....
But anyone with ears who listened to what Air America & the few others that lasted more than a spot set with lib talk have to realize is the left-wingers were preaching far more hate than what I heard on Rush's show. His "rants" were conversational chuckles compared to what I stumbled upon on 1240 or 1320 in their previous formats.
As for Bruce in the eves.....I tried...I really tried to listen, but it was like Gertrude Stein's Oakland: There was no "there" there.......I might be showing non-objectivity, 'cause I briefly worked with Mark Williams at BK, but he was/is far more entertaining and interesting than Maiman in my opinion.
Interloper: I think your analysis of why liberal....excuse me, "progressive" talk has failed for the most part sounds reasonable to me....
sla1950: Unless I misread my radio history lessons, if radio had been purged of all those on-air & programming talents with some form of addiction problem during their careers, this medium we love would have been downright silent decades ago.
I, too, tend to stream or use podcasts for most of my radio listening these days...I ain't spending hundreds on an HD set, even KFBK comes in lousy in my Carmichael home {I stream it for MUCH better sound, when it decides not to buffer}, and several of my music & talk listening choices simply aren't aired
in Sacramento.
I do wish 1240 good luck with the new format, simply because I believe very strongly in local ownership, even when it doesn't always provide the best radio available....at least there should some Sacramento on Sacramento's air.
True....Rush has lost some audience, but the last time I looked, he still has far more audience than anyone out there....
But anyone with ears who listened to what Air America & the few others that lasted more than a spot set with lib talk have to realize is the left-wingers were preaching far more hate than what I heard on Rush's show. His "rants" were conversational chuckles compared to what I stumbled upon on 1240 or 1320 in their previous formats.
As for Bruce in the eves.....I tried...I really tried to listen, but it was like Gertrude Stein's Oakland: There was no "there" there.......I might be showing non-objectivity, 'cause I briefly worked with Mark Williams at BK, but he was/is far more entertaining and interesting than Maiman in my opinion.
Interloper: I think your analysis of why liberal....excuse me, "progressive" talk has failed for the most part sounds reasonable to me....
sla1950: Unless I misread my radio history lessons, if radio had been purged of all those on-air & programming talents with some form of addiction problem during their careers, this medium we love would have been downright silent decades ago.
I, too, tend to stream or use podcasts for most of my radio listening these days...I ain't spending hundreds on an HD set, even KFBK comes in lousy in my Carmichael home {I stream it for MUCH better sound, when it decides not to buffer}, and several of my music & talk listening choices simply aren't aired
in Sacramento.
I do wish 1240 good luck with the new format, simply because I believe very strongly in local ownership, even when it doesn't always provide the best radio available....at least there should some Sacramento on Sacramento's air.
Like it or not...that message is delivered while not taking himself too seriously...
Your argue content Clinger, I am talking about HOW and the style in which the content is delivered.
Please understand I do not defend his content, but as a broadcaster appreciate how he can deliver the message and his presentation and success within the realm of radio.
I may not like... say ...Kobe Bryant because he's a Laker and plays for the opposing team, however one cannot refute that Kobe is Damn good and talented, and one can appreciate that talent and/or ability to be successful.
That is my position...
Your argue content Clinger, I am talking about HOW and the style in which the content is delivered.
Please understand I do not defend his content, but as a broadcaster appreciate how he can deliver the message and his presentation and success within the realm of radio.
I may not like... say ...Kobe Bryant because he's a Laker and plays for the opposing team, however one cannot refute that Kobe is Damn good and talented, and one can appreciate that talent and/or ability to be successful.
That is my position...
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Hmmm...ok
Soooo, let me continue to play devil's advocate.
Because Hitler was a persuasive speaker to the masses in Germany that were struggling to survive in poverty and hardship at the time, he should also be applauded for his convincing speeches, powerful speaking qualities and his leadership message. Ok, then that makes sense.
Oh but wait...aren't broadcasters supposed to provide programming in the public interest? When The End killed that girl I took the same position on our biz. We must provide CONTENT in the public interest, even if we are great or crappy with the delivery of our message. Let's reflect back to the Jeff Katz incident a number of years ago. A persuasive, hate filled talk moment (or message) that wanted drivers to run over Mexicans for free tacos at Taco Smell. Angry, divisive, and ludicrous to be sure. But some loon listener out there may not see it that way, and start running people over because they're a fan. It's up to us not to let the masses run into street doing things they shouldn't, like drink too much water, run people over, and perpetuate hate. H.G.Wells taught us that with War of the Worlds. Us on air folks have a powerful tool in our hands, and it's up to each of us to keep that in mind.
That goes for both sides of the political debate.
Soooo, let me continue to play devil's advocate.
Because Hitler was a persuasive speaker to the masses in Germany that were struggling to survive in poverty and hardship at the time, he should also be applauded for his convincing speeches, powerful speaking qualities and his leadership message. Ok, then that makes sense.
Oh but wait...aren't broadcasters supposed to provide programming in the public interest? When The End killed that girl I took the same position on our biz. We must provide CONTENT in the public interest, even if we are great or crappy with the delivery of our message. Let's reflect back to the Jeff Katz incident a number of years ago. A persuasive, hate filled talk moment (or message) that wanted drivers to run over Mexicans for free tacos at Taco Smell. Angry, divisive, and ludicrous to be sure. But some loon listener out there may not see it that way, and start running people over because they're a fan. It's up to us not to let the masses run into street doing things they shouldn't, like drink too much water, run people over, and perpetuate hate. H.G.Wells taught us that with War of the Worlds. Us on air folks have a powerful tool in our hands, and it's up to each of us to keep that in mind.
That goes for both sides of the political debate.
Hitler was a charismatic speaker, but an evil man.
Rush may not be Christ, but he ain't the devil either, he falls in between, like 99% of us. And if folks didn't like him, they'd tune out, which they do not, they make a vote by listening/not listening to him.
The "public interest, covenience, and necessity" clause is antiquated, and if that was truly important to the FCC, they never would have allowed the "telecom act of 1996."
Should a station serve its community? Sure, but one can make the arguement that ratings show how well or not well served a community is...flawed way beyond belief, but that is the playing field.
You are talking about how things should be, I am telling you how things are.
You cannot blame the media for folks stupid choices or reactions, that guy who ran over folk already had a screw loose...that falls into personal accountability. Just because Rush or anyone says something doesn't take away our choice of how we respond/react to what is said...
Again, you are talking about political debate clinger, I am talking about HOW that debate message is delivered...
Rush may not be Christ, but he ain't the devil either, he falls in between, like 99% of us. And if folks didn't like him, they'd tune out, which they do not, they make a vote by listening/not listening to him.
The "public interest, covenience, and necessity" clause is antiquated, and if that was truly important to the FCC, they never would have allowed the "telecom act of 1996."
Should a station serve its community? Sure, but one can make the arguement that ratings show how well or not well served a community is...flawed way beyond belief, but that is the playing field.
You are talking about how things should be, I am telling you how things are.
You cannot blame the media for folks stupid choices or reactions, that guy who ran over folk already had a screw loose...that falls into personal accountability. Just because Rush or anyone says something doesn't take away our choice of how we respond/react to what is said...
Again, you are talking about political debate clinger, I am talking about HOW that debate message is delivered...
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Hi Interloper,
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. But I do enjoy a spirited debate, such as ours.
No Rush isn't an evil guy, but he delivers an evil message (and yes, it's charismatic to be sure), no matter how many sponsors he has. Remember, I worked for CC for a long time, and often heard many good things about him in my tenure there.
That said, I, for one, will continue to broadcast my show with public interest in mind because, unfortunately, the public is only as responsible in receiving the message as it's delivered and conveyed by me, first and foremost. And that's regardless of HOW it's conveyed.
Hugs and Kisses,
Stage5Clinger
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. But I do enjoy a spirited debate, such as ours.
No Rush isn't an evil guy, but he delivers an evil message (and yes, it's charismatic to be sure), no matter how many sponsors he has. Remember, I worked for CC for a long time, and often heard many good things about him in my tenure there.
That said, I, for one, will continue to broadcast my show with public interest in mind because, unfortunately, the public is only as responsible in receiving the message as it's delivered and conveyed by me, first and foremost. And that's regardless of HOW it's conveyed.
This is how things are on my show. Sorry if you believe that's passe`, but acting on the air in any other way would be a disservice to my listeners. If I don't put the bottles of water in their hands, they cannot drink. When you're on the air, then you may feel differently.
Hugs and Kisses,
Stage5Clinger
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