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scooterodell
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Here in the East (and in much of the Midwest), promos for tv shows list airtimes as follows: "...tonight at 8, 7 central." How do they list times on promos in Mountain and Pacific timezones?
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RobertMoore
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> Here in the East (and in much of the Midwest), promos for tv
> shows list airtimes as follows: "...tonight at 8, 7
> central." How do they list times on promos in Mountain and
> Pacific timezones?
The same thing, but on the TV screen you'll see 8pm E/P, 7pm C. Now if it were a live show(with the exception of sports) it'll add "Live except on the west coast" if its shown on the Eastern/Central feed, with the Mountain TZ getting it on a 1 hour delay(Save for Arizona, which doesn't observe Daylight Savings Time), the Pacific on a 2 hour delay, Alaska by 3 hours and Hawaii on a 4 hour delay(5 when Daylight Savings Time is in effect).
> shows list airtimes as follows: "...tonight at 8, 7
> central." How do they list times on promos in Mountain and
> Pacific timezones?
The same thing, but on the TV screen you'll see 8pm E/P, 7pm C. Now if it were a live show(with the exception of sports) it'll add "Live except on the west coast" if its shown on the Eastern/Central feed, with the Mountain TZ getting it on a 1 hour delay(Save for Arizona, which doesn't observe Daylight Savings Time), the Pacific on a 2 hour delay, Alaska by 3 hours and Hawaii on a 4 hour delay(5 when Daylight Savings Time is in effect).
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Mediafrog
Guest
> Here in the East (and in much of the Midwest), promos for tv
> shows list airtimes as follows: "...tonight at 8, 7
> central." How do they list times on promos in Mountain and
> Pacific timezones?
Since the PT local primetime program grid is the same as ET, the first given time in the promo suffices for both.
Generally MT local primetime is the same as CT, but the networks tend to ignore those stations in their promos. Viewers in the mountain states have pretty much figured things out anyway, just like CT viewers almost unconsciously subract an hour if a Central time reference isn't mentioned.
There have been proposals in the past from the big networks to put the entire country on the same local primetime program grid with multiple feeds (as is done in most of Canada) but these have gone nowhere--appears viewing habits are pretty ingrained in the various time zones.
> shows list airtimes as follows: "...tonight at 8, 7
> central." How do they list times on promos in Mountain and
> Pacific timezones?
Since the PT local primetime program grid is the same as ET, the first given time in the promo suffices for both.
Generally MT local primetime is the same as CT, but the networks tend to ignore those stations in their promos. Viewers in the mountain states have pretty much figured things out anyway, just like CT viewers almost unconsciously subract an hour if a Central time reference isn't mentioned.
There have been proposals in the past from the big networks to put the entire country on the same local primetime program grid with multiple feeds (as is done in most of Canada) but these have gone nowhere--appears viewing habits are pretty ingrained in the various time zones.
> Here in the East (and in much of the Midwest), promos for tv
> shows list airtimes as follows: "...tonight at 8, 7
> central." How do they list times on promos in Mountain and
> Pacific timezones?
>
Am pretty sure there's a separate Pacific feed so when they say "tune in
Monday at 8 pm, 7 central", viewers on the West Coast do indeed tune in
at 8 pm their time, to the Pacific feed (or, 11 pm ET). Mountain I'm
not sure about--either they take the Eastern feed (a show at 8 Eastern
would be at 6 Mountain) or maybe even the Pacific feed-- 8 pm Eastern
show would air at 9 pm MT, as they'd take the Pac. feed,.
> shows list airtimes as follows: "...tonight at 8, 7
> central." How do they list times on promos in Mountain and
> Pacific timezones?
>
Am pretty sure there's a separate Pacific feed so when they say "tune in
Monday at 8 pm, 7 central", viewers on the West Coast do indeed tune in
at 8 pm their time, to the Pacific feed (or, 11 pm ET). Mountain I'm
not sure about--either they take the Eastern feed (a show at 8 Eastern
would be at 6 Mountain) or maybe even the Pacific feed-- 8 pm Eastern
show would air at 9 pm MT, as they'd take the Pac. feed,.
On delayed programming, Pacific viewers get a 3-hour delay in most cases.
Now, as to this "8/7c" garbage, here's what I think the networks should do: seeing as practically every station has a "name dropper" device these days, why not program the device to insert the local airtime just as they would the station logo. Tradition notwithstanding, tagging a show as "tenninecentral" (yes, it sometimes sounds like one long word) is something that can be retired.
Alternatively, as stations upgrade to digital servers the nets could pre-feed spots to their affiliates and then utilize some kind of network cue so the plugs run locally with the correct local airtimes.
The networks can be time-zone specific. They just don't want to implement it, however.
Now, as to this "8/7c" garbage, here's what I think the networks should do: seeing as practically every station has a "name dropper" device these days, why not program the device to insert the local airtime just as they would the station logo. Tradition notwithstanding, tagging a show as "tenninecentral" (yes, it sometimes sounds like one long word) is something that can be retired.
Alternatively, as stations upgrade to digital servers the nets could pre-feed spots to their affiliates and then utilize some kind of network cue so the plugs run locally with the correct local airtimes.
The networks can be time-zone specific. They just don't want to implement it, however.
> On delayed programming, Pacific viewers get a 3-hour delay
> in most cases.
>
> Now, as to this "8/7c" garbage, here's what I think the
> networks should do: seeing as practically every station has
> a "name dropper" device these days, why not program the
> device to insert the local airtime just as they would the
> station logo. Tradition notwithstanding, tagging a show as
> "tenninecentral" (yes, it sometimes sounds like one long
> word) is something that can be retired.
>
> Alternatively, as stations upgrade to digital servers the
> nets could pre-feed spots to their affiliates and then
> utilize some kind of network cue so the plugs run locally
> with the correct local airtimes.
>
> The networks can be time-zone specific. They just don't want
> to implement it, however.
>
The networks' West Coast affiliates used to have their own
graphic: "8 Pacific" instead of "8/7 Central," for example.
Now they use essentially the same one the East Coast affiliates
use.
As you no doubt know, the networks feed their morning shows
(Today, Good Morning America, The Early Show) on a clock-time
schedule: 7 AM in all time zones. It looks to me as if NBC
may be moving to the same thing with its two soaps: Days Of
Our Lives and Passions. I'm seeing them listed more and
more frequently as airing at 1 PM and 2 PM respectively, regardless
of time zone (I know the o&os in Dallas and Birmingham do this,
as does Los Angeles).
Speaking of Mountain time, I can remember Curt Gowdy, who's from
Wyoming (I think), reading promos for upcoming NBC shows during
sports telecasts and wondering out loud: why don't they include
Mountain time?<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by bpatrick on 10/13/05 12:31 AM.</FONT></P>
> in most cases.
>
> Now, as to this "8/7c" garbage, here's what I think the
> networks should do: seeing as practically every station has
> a "name dropper" device these days, why not program the
> device to insert the local airtime just as they would the
> station logo. Tradition notwithstanding, tagging a show as
> "tenninecentral" (yes, it sometimes sounds like one long
> word) is something that can be retired.
>
> Alternatively, as stations upgrade to digital servers the
> nets could pre-feed spots to their affiliates and then
> utilize some kind of network cue so the plugs run locally
> with the correct local airtimes.
>
> The networks can be time-zone specific. They just don't want
> to implement it, however.
>
The networks' West Coast affiliates used to have their own
graphic: "8 Pacific" instead of "8/7 Central," for example.
Now they use essentially the same one the East Coast affiliates
use.
As you no doubt know, the networks feed their morning shows
(Today, Good Morning America, The Early Show) on a clock-time
schedule: 7 AM in all time zones. It looks to me as if NBC
may be moving to the same thing with its two soaps: Days Of
Our Lives and Passions. I'm seeing them listed more and
more frequently as airing at 1 PM and 2 PM respectively, regardless
of time zone (I know the o&os in Dallas and Birmingham do this,
as does Los Angeles).
Speaking of Mountain time, I can remember Curt Gowdy, who's from
Wyoming (I think), reading promos for upcoming NBC shows during
sports telecasts and wondering out loud: why don't they include
Mountain time?<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by bpatrick on 10/13/05 12:31 AM.</FONT></P>
> Mountain I'm
> not sure about--either they take the Eastern feed (a show at
> 8 Eastern
> would be at 6 Mountain) or maybe even the Pacific feed-- 8
> pm Eastern
> show would air at 9 pm MT, as they'd take the Pac. feed,.
My understanding is that the original 4 broadcast networks, with the exception of NBC, do not provide a separate Mountain feed. So, the affiliates record programming from the East Coast feed and play it back -- primetime runs from 7pm-10pm M-Sa, 6pm-10pm Sunday in the Mountain Time Zone.
However, in the case of cable networks, it's different. In the Mountain Time Zone, I believe that most cable providers take a mix of East & West feeds (keep in mind that some networks have only an East feed available). So a program airing at 8pm in the Eastern Time Zone could air at either 6pm or 9pm in the Mountain Time Zone, depending on which feed is taken.
In the case of satellite services, I'm pretty sure that they take all East feeds. For some networks (Nickelodeon, I think?), both the East and West feeds are offered on one or both satellite services.
> not sure about--either they take the Eastern feed (a show at
> 8 Eastern
> would be at 6 Mountain) or maybe even the Pacific feed-- 8
> pm Eastern
> show would air at 9 pm MT, as they'd take the Pac. feed,.
My understanding is that the original 4 broadcast networks, with the exception of NBC, do not provide a separate Mountain feed. So, the affiliates record programming from the East Coast feed and play it back -- primetime runs from 7pm-10pm M-Sa, 6pm-10pm Sunday in the Mountain Time Zone.
However, in the case of cable networks, it's different. In the Mountain Time Zone, I believe that most cable providers take a mix of East & West feeds (keep in mind that some networks have only an East feed available). So a program airing at 8pm in the Eastern Time Zone could air at either 6pm or 9pm in the Mountain Time Zone, depending on which feed is taken.
In the case of satellite services, I'm pretty sure that they take all East feeds. For some networks (Nickelodeon, I think?), both the East and West feeds are offered on one or both satellite services.
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KeithE
Guest
> I remember a time when network promos said "Tonight at 8...7
> Central and Mountain". At what point did they drop the "and
> Mountain"...and why?
There is only one Top-20 market in the Mountain time zone year-round, and that's Denver (#18). They, along with Salt Lake City (#36), Albuquerque (#46), Colorado Springs/Pueblo (#93), and El Paso (#99), are the only Top-100 markets in that time zone. Not considered important enough to bother to advertise their start times.
I could count Phoenix (#14) and Tucson (#71) here since their stations do run their shows on a Central/Mountain schedule year-round. But since they are technically in the Pacific Daylight Time zone 7 months out of the year, live events such as news & sports are on at the same time as LA durng those months. The Navajo Nation (most of which is in the Albuquerque TV market) is the only part of Arizona that goes on Mountain Daylight Time, as do the portions of it inside Utah and New Mexico, of course.
Interesting is which time zones the cable news channels display in their IDs. Fox News Channel is showing all 4 mainland time zones. CNN's showing only Eastern and Pacific. MSNBC isn't showing any right now.
> Central and Mountain". At what point did they drop the "and
> Mountain"...and why?
There is only one Top-20 market in the Mountain time zone year-round, and that's Denver (#18). They, along with Salt Lake City (#36), Albuquerque (#46), Colorado Springs/Pueblo (#93), and El Paso (#99), are the only Top-100 markets in that time zone. Not considered important enough to bother to advertise their start times.
I could count Phoenix (#14) and Tucson (#71) here since their stations do run their shows on a Central/Mountain schedule year-round. But since they are technically in the Pacific Daylight Time zone 7 months out of the year, live events such as news & sports are on at the same time as LA durng those months. The Navajo Nation (most of which is in the Albuquerque TV market) is the only part of Arizona that goes on Mountain Daylight Time, as do the portions of it inside Utah and New Mexico, of course.
Interesting is which time zones the cable news channels display in their IDs. Fox News Channel is showing all 4 mainland time zones. CNN's showing only Eastern and Pacific. MSNBC isn't showing any right now.
K
KMRichards
Guest
> In the case of satellite services, I'm pretty sure that they
> take all East feeds. For some networks (Nickelodeon, I
> think?), both the East and West feeds are offered on one or
> both satellite services.
Nickelodeon and the Disney Channel are the only two "basic" networks that get the dual feed treatment on Dish and DirecTV.
HBO, HBO 2, HBO Family, Showtime, The Movie Channel, Starz, Encore and Cinemax also get the dual feeds on satellite (and in fact, on many cable systems nowadays) but only the East feeds of their secondary channels (HBO Signature, ShoToo, TMC Xtra, Starz Family, Encore Drama, MoreMax, etc.) get onto the birds.
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> take all East feeds. For some networks (Nickelodeon, I
> think?), both the East and West feeds are offered on one or
> both satellite services.
Nickelodeon and the Disney Channel are the only two "basic" networks that get the dual feed treatment on Dish and DirecTV.
HBO, HBO 2, HBO Family, Showtime, The Movie Channel, Starz, Encore and Cinemax also get the dual feeds on satellite (and in fact, on many cable systems nowadays) but only the East feeds of their secondary channels (HBO Signature, ShoToo, TMC Xtra, Starz Family, Encore Drama, MoreMax, etc.) get onto the birds.
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JeeperOne
Banned
Hi everyone:
> > Here in the East (and in much of the Midwest), promos for
> tv
> > shows list airtimes as follows: "...tonight at 8, 7
> > central." How do they list times on promos in Mountain
> and
> > Pacific timezones?
Nope. Only Eastern & Central. Eastern & Pacific stations follow the 8-11 PM Prime Time frame while Mountain & Central follow the 7-10 PM time frame. So when you think about it, naming time zones is kinda redundant.
> Am pretty sure there's a separate Pacific feed so when they
> say "tune in
> Monday at 8 pm, 7 central", viewers on the West Coast do
> indeed tune in
> at 8 pm their time, to the Pacific feed (or, 11 pm ET).
> Mountain I'm
> not sure about--either they take the Eastern feed (a show at
> 8 Eastern
> would be at 6 Mountain) or maybe even the Pacific feed-- 8
> pm Eastern
> show would air at 9 pm MT, as they'd take the Pac. feed,.
8:00 PM Pacific is 9:00 PM Mountain. Mountain time zone stations NEVER take a Pacific station feed in Prime Time. Usually they either take a Chicago (Central) or New York (Eastern) feed.
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> > Here in the East (and in much of the Midwest), promos for
> tv
> > shows list airtimes as follows: "...tonight at 8, 7
> > central." How do they list times on promos in Mountain
> and
> > Pacific timezones?
Nope. Only Eastern & Central. Eastern & Pacific stations follow the 8-11 PM Prime Time frame while Mountain & Central follow the 7-10 PM time frame. So when you think about it, naming time zones is kinda redundant.
> Am pretty sure there's a separate Pacific feed so when they
> say "tune in
> Monday at 8 pm, 7 central", viewers on the West Coast do
> indeed tune in
> at 8 pm their time, to the Pacific feed (or, 11 pm ET).
> Mountain I'm
> not sure about--either they take the Eastern feed (a show at
> 8 Eastern
> would be at 6 Mountain) or maybe even the Pacific feed-- 8
> pm Eastern
> show would air at 9 pm MT, as they'd take the Pac. feed,.
8:00 PM Pacific is 9:00 PM Mountain. Mountain time zone stations NEVER take a Pacific station feed in Prime Time. Usually they either take a Chicago (Central) or New York (Eastern) feed.
Cheers for now
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JeeperOne
Banned
Hi everyone:
> HBO, HBO 2, HBO Family, Showtime, The Movie Channel, Starz,
> Encore and Cinemax also get the dual feeds on satellite (and
> in fact, on many cable systems nowadays) but only the East
> feeds of their secondary channels (HBO Signature, ShoToo,
> TMC Xtra, Starz Family, Encore Drama, MoreMax, etc.) get
> onto the birds.
Uhh....You might wanna tell that to my cable box as I can get 'em if I want 'em.
My cable provider is Comcast.
Cheers for now
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http://patspodcast.blogspot.com/
Radio? Uhh.....What's THAT??</P>
> HBO, HBO 2, HBO Family, Showtime, The Movie Channel, Starz,
> Encore and Cinemax also get the dual feeds on satellite (and
> in fact, on many cable systems nowadays) but only the East
> feeds of their secondary channels (HBO Signature, ShoToo,
> TMC Xtra, Starz Family, Encore Drama, MoreMax, etc.) get
> onto the birds.
Uhh....You might wanna tell that to my cable box as I can get 'em if I want 'em.
My cable provider is Comcast.
Cheers for now
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http://patspodcast.blogspot.com/
Radio? Uhh.....What's THAT??
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KML0224
Guest
Here in New Britain, CT (southwest of Hartford), Comcast carries the west coast feed of the Sundance Channel. At least that's what the on-screen programming guide has always said ("SUN-W").
JeeperOne
Banned
Hi everyone:
> As you no doubt know, the networks feed their morning shows
> (Today, Good Morning America, The Early Show) on a
> clock-time
> schedule: 7 AM in all time zones. It looks to me as if NBC
> may be moving to the same thing with its two soaps: Days Of
> Our Lives and Passions. I'm seeing them listed more and
> more frequently as airing at 1 PM and 2 PM respectively,
> regardless
> of time zone (I know the o&os in Dallas and Birmingham do
> this,
> as does Los Angeles).
KUSA 9, NBC's (arguably) Top-Ranked Non-O&O, does the same thing.
<P ID="signature">______________
http://patspodcast.blogspot.com/
Radio? Uhh.....What's THAT??</P>
> As you no doubt know, the networks feed their morning shows
> (Today, Good Morning America, The Early Show) on a
> clock-time
> schedule: 7 AM in all time zones. It looks to me as if NBC
> may be moving to the same thing with its two soaps: Days Of
> Our Lives and Passions. I'm seeing them listed more and
> more frequently as airing at 1 PM and 2 PM respectively,
> regardless
> of time zone (I know the o&os in Dallas and Birmingham do
> this,
> as does Los Angeles).
KUSA 9, NBC's (arguably) Top-Ranked Non-O&O, does the same thing.
<P ID="signature">______________
http://patspodcast.blogspot.com/
Radio? Uhh.....What's THAT??
</P>
K
KML0224
Guest
> As you no doubt know, the networks feed their morning shows
> (Today, Good Morning America, The Early Show) on a
> clock-time
> schedule: 7 AM in all time zones. It looks to me as if NBC
> may be moving to the same thing with its two soaps: Days Of
> Our Lives and Passions. I'm seeing them listed more and
> more frequently as airing at 1 PM and 2 PM respectively,
> regardless
> of time zone (I know the o&os in Dallas and Birmingham do
> this,
> as does Los Angeles).
>
NBC O&O WVIT-TV channel 30 of New Britain/Hartford, CT, runs those spots for "Days Of Our Lives" and "Passions" with the tag of "Weekdays at 1" or "Weekdays at 2"..."On NBC Daytime."
> (Today, Good Morning America, The Early Show) on a
> clock-time
> schedule: 7 AM in all time zones. It looks to me as if NBC
> may be moving to the same thing with its two soaps: Days Of
> Our Lives and Passions. I'm seeing them listed more and
> more frequently as airing at 1 PM and 2 PM respectively,
> regardless
> of time zone (I know the o&os in Dallas and Birmingham do
> this,
> as does Los Angeles).
>
NBC O&O WVIT-TV channel 30 of New Britain/Hartford, CT, runs those spots for "Days Of Our Lives" and "Passions" with the tag of "Weekdays at 1" or "Weekdays at 2"..."On NBC Daytime."
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KMRichards
Guest
Jeeper, reread what I said. I bolded parts of it for easier spotting.
> > HBO, HBO 2, HBO Family, Showtime, The Movie Channel,
> Starz,
> > Encore and Cinemax also get the dual feeds on satellite
> (and
> > in fact, on many cable systems nowadays) but only the East
>
> > feeds of their secondary channels (HBO Signature, ShoToo,
> > TMC Xtra, Starz Family, Encore Drama, MoreMax, etc.) get
> > onto the birds.
>
> Uhh....You might wanna tell that to my cable box as I can
> get 'em if I want 'em.
I said a lot of cable systems have dual feeds available.
I also said the secondary premiums tend to only have the East feed available on the satellite providers.
Your reply makes no sense in context. Explain?<P ID="signature">______________
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> > HBO, HBO 2, HBO Family, Showtime, The Movie Channel,
> Starz,
> > Encore and Cinemax also get the dual feeds on satellite
> (and
> > in fact, on many cable systems nowadays) but only the East
>
> > feeds of their secondary channels (HBO Signature, ShoToo,
> > TMC Xtra, Starz Family, Encore Drama, MoreMax, etc.) get
> > onto the birds.
>
> Uhh....You might wanna tell that to my cable box as I can
> get 'em if I want 'em.
I said a lot of cable systems have dual feeds available.
I also said the secondary premiums tend to only have the East feed available on the satellite providers.
Your reply makes no sense in context. Explain?<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: What about Hawaii and Alaska
Since Alaska is 1 hour behind, and Hawaii is 2 hours (3 in the summer) behind. do they run west coast feed or they run east coast feed with tape delay to the west coast. Also, why does Fairbanks TV market runs prime time 8-11 instead of 7-11 (Execpt for ABC Alaska)?
Since Alaska is 1 hour behind, and Hawaii is 2 hours (3 in the summer) behind. do they run west coast feed or they run east coast feed with tape delay to the west coast. Also, why does Fairbanks TV market runs prime time 8-11 instead of 7-11 (Execpt for ABC Alaska)?
How about(A-boot) Canada Time zone?
I notice that Canada doesn't run the normal 8ET/PT 7CT/MT like the US? I notice that the Mountain Time zone and the atlantic Time zone run from 8-11 instead of 7-10 or 9-Midnight. Also, I notice on CTV stations 8ET/9CT What? I thought CENTRAL Time zone in canad runs Prime Time 1 hour behind Eastern? Canada has weird Time zone programming.
I notice that Canada doesn't run the normal 8ET/PT 7CT/MT like the US? I notice that the Mountain Time zone and the atlantic Time zone run from 8-11 instead of 7-10 or 9-Midnight. Also, I notice on CTV stations 8ET/9CT What? I thought CENTRAL Time zone in canad runs Prime Time 1 hour behind Eastern? Canada has weird Time zone programming.
But since they are technically in the
> Pacific Daylight Time zone 7 months out of the year, live
> events such as news & sports are on at the same time as LA
> durng those months.
Not to nitpick, but they're technically in the Mountain *Standard* time zone year-round, just as Indiana is Eastern *Standard* time year-round (until next year or whenever they change it).
> Pacific Daylight Time zone 7 months out of the year, live
> events such as news & sports are on at the same time as LA
> durng those months.
Not to nitpick, but they're technically in the Mountain *Standard* time zone year-round, just as Indiana is Eastern *Standard* time year-round (until next year or whenever they change it).
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oldiesfan
Guest
> Not to nitpick...just as Indiana is Eastern
> *Standard* time year-round (until next year
> or whenever they change it).
(Picking that nit just a bit more ;-)
Most of Indiana, except for the Central time
zone areas near Chicago and Evansville and
those five "illegal" (for 2+ more weeks)
counties near Cincinnati and Louisville.
Next spring will indeed be daylight-saving time
in all of Indiana, however what time zone some
counties will be in is another story.
> *Standard* time year-round (until next year
> or whenever they change it).
(Picking that nit just a bit more ;-)
Most of Indiana, except for the Central time
zone areas near Chicago and Evansville and
those five "illegal" (for 2+ more weeks)
counties near Cincinnati and Louisville.
Next spring will indeed be daylight-saving time
in all of Indiana, however what time zone some
counties will be in is another story.
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