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A "Ticket" gone bad??

Timing is everything...The very day that the Ticket was replaced by Classic Hits, a nice article in the November issue of Radio (page 32) called Eye On Radio, Sports Talk Radio Becomes Sports Talk TV shows up in my mailbox. But what do ya expect? The Engineer is NEVER privy to information like this until 36 hours before the nuke is to be detonated...
 
Cumulus should have done this the day WRKA detonated! I think it will be better off than the Ticket. I hate to say it, but while the Ticket was on an FM signal, it simply was a waste of space.

It will serve as a great replacement to WRKA as well as WAKY. But so many people have said that WAKY will be fine enough to serve the large share that RKA dumped. A lot surprisingly will hang on to the cume count for the new Classic Country, and some will move to WAKY but once Cumulus starts marketing this station (if they will) it will become a hit with certain crowds.

It sounds almost exactly what WGRR is in Cincinnati. I think with the kind of marketing they have done in Cincy, it will help here. Sudbrek is a great GM and she will do well with their general operations!
 
kentuckymedia said:
It will serve as a great replacement to WRKA as well as WAKY. But so many people have said that WAKY will be fine enough to serve the large share that RKA dumped. A lot surprisingly will hang on to the cume count for the new Classic Country, and some will move to WAKY but once Cumulus starts marketing this station (if they will) it will become a hit with certain crowds.
Isn't this WLCL (former WQKC) signal just a wannabe signal. I'm not an engineer but according to radio-locator.com, WLCL has almost 1000 fewer watts of signal and operates on a 100 feet lower tower. Also, by going to FM Fool, it lists another station W230AK broadcasting at 93.9. How did the FCC let this happen?? Are they asleep in Washington?? WAKY seems to cover more of the E-town and Louisville area, where LCL covers Louisville alone. Also, is WAKY using 2 towers broadcasting on 103.5? On FM Fool, I find a WAKY-FM1 tower to the immediate southwest of Louisville. Is this done to sweeten the signal over downtown Louisville?

http://www.fmfool.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=W230AK&service=FX&status=L&hours=U
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?sr=Y&s=C&call=Wqkc&x=10&y=4
 
KyDXIn said:
kentuckymedia said:
It will serve as a great replacement to WRKA as well as WAKY. But so many people have said that WAKY will be fine enough to serve the large share that RKA dumped. A lot surprisingly will hang on to the cume count for the new Classic Country, and some will move to WAKY but once Cumulus starts marketing this station (if they will) it will become a hit with certain crowds.
Isn't this WLCL (former WQKC) signal just a wannabe signal. I'm not an engineer but according to radio-locator.com, WLCL has almost 1000 fewer watts of signal and operates on a 100 feet lower tower. Also, by going to FM Fool, it lists another station W230AK broadcasting at 93.9. How did the FCC let this happen?? Are they asleep in Washington?? WAKY seems to cover more of the E-town and Louisville area, where LCL covers Louisville alone. Also, is WAKY using 2 towers broadcasting on 103.5? On FM Fool, I find a WAKY-FM1 tower to the immediate southwest of Louisville. Is this done to sweeten the signal over downtown Louisville?

http://www.fmfool.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=W230AK&service=FX&status=L&hours=U
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?sr=Y&s=C&call=Wqkc&x=10&y=4

I'm not in Louisville but http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=W230AK&service=FX&status=L&hours=U should have signed off months ago to make way for the WQKC move-in to Louisville.
Radio-Locator has a bad habit of not updating their site. W230AK should have been deleted from their site.
 
KyDXIn said:
kentuckymedia said:
It will serve as a great replacement to WRKA as well as WAKY. But so many people have said that WAKY will be fine enough to serve the large share that RKA dumped. A lot surprisingly will hang on to the cume count for the new Classic Country, and some will move to WAKY but once Cumulus starts marketing this station (if they will) it will become a hit with certain crowds.
Isn't this WLCL (former WQKC) signal just a wannabe signal. I'm not an engineer but according to radio-locator.com, WLCL has almost 1000 fewer watts of signal and operates on a 100 feet lower tower. Also, by going to FM Fool, it lists another station W230AK broadcasting at 93.9. How did the FCC let this happen?? Are they asleep in Washington?? WAKY seems to cover more of the E-town and Louisville area, where LCL covers Louisville alone. Also, is WAKY using 2 towers broadcasting on 103.5? On FM Fool, I find a WAKY-FM1 tower to the immediate southwest of Louisville. Is this done to sweeten the signal over downtown Louisville?

http://www.fmfool.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=W230AK&service=FX&status=L&hours=U
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?sr=Y&s=C&call=Wqkc&x=10&y=4


WLCL has a better signal than WAKY by far. Yeah, WAKY covers way more square miles, but their tower is about 20 miles south of where it needs to be to adequately penetrate buildings in the Louisville market.

While WLCL covers almost everything within the Gene Snyder Freeway with a city grade (3.16 millivolt) contour, WAKY's city grade doesn't reach Jefferson County at all. WAKY's second tower is a 100 watt on-channel booster. THAT'S what gives the primary coverage to the city of Louisville...100 watts.

That 100 watt booster allows WAKY's "[interference] protected contour" (ONE millivolt) to make it past the hills in northern Bullitt county, and reach as far north as UofL.

Technically, WAKY has 4 times the power. WLCL is equivalent to 6000 watts at 328 feet, and WAKY is equivalent to 25,000 watts at 328 feet. But tower location is a critical factor in coverage. WLCL has a good location, WAKY does not. And that makes all the difference.
 
You guys are gonna say im an idiot,,, and you probably never heard Z-93.7 Seymore back in 90-91,, It had a weak signal so it didnt make it into The Ville, and Indianapolis like QKC used to back in the day... Anyway,, Z-93.7 was one of the best Rock Leaning CHR POP stations ever, and it covered Bedford, Seymour, Columbus, North Vernon,, and even fringed into Martinsville on Car Radios...... I think the station had like 10kw at the time on a short tower,, probably the same as their WBBZ AM 1390 tower,,, which apopears to be rotting away... BOB on the JOB can tell you everything about this station as he engineered for them,, we have brought this up on the Indiana board, but I wonder if anyone in The Ville was ever able to hear it or remembers it.
 
Mid West Clubber said:
You guys are gonna say im an idiot,,, and you probably never heard Z-93.7 Seymore back in 90-91,, It had a weak signal so it didnt make it into The Ville, and Indianapolis like QKC used to back in the day... Anyway,, Z-93.7 was one of the best Rock Leaning CHR POP stations ever, and it covered Bedford, Seymour, Columbus, North Vernon,, and even fringed into Martinsville on Car Radios...... I think the station had like 10kw at the time on a short tower,, probably the same as their WBBZ AM 1390 tower,,, which apopears to be rotting away... BOB on the JOB can tell you everything about this station as he engineered for them,, we have brought this up on the Indiana board, but I wonder if anyone in The Ville was ever able to hear it or remembers it.
I concur...the Heat was great for being a satellite fed station. It was 10kw at less than 200'. Bummed me out when they got the CP for the big signal & flipped it to Country. And of course, it bummed me out even worse when it was recently sacrificed for the sake of two signals in over-radioed markets.
 
I dont know if this is true or not BOB, but didnt the city of Seymour make a big protest against the station back then, being as it was a more conservative time, and the station played alot of Hair Bands, which old people back then called heavy metal,, but they playe the Rhythmic and POP stuff too, like Madonna and Paula Abdule for instance,, but I also heard they had trouble selling the station due to the format in the conservative Cowtown and the limited signal,, Luckily Seymore has built up much bigger since then and isnt so conservative these days.

Also, wasnt THE HEAT a Sat format beamed in from Miami and did other stations carry it,, is it still around...(I doubt it seriously), but just asking... And one more thing,, did they air on the Bird 24/7, or did they air any local programs, like a morning show....
 
Mid West Clubber said:
Also, wasnt THE HEAT a Sat format beamed in from Miami

No, it was a satellite format beamed in from Dallas! :D

and did other stations carry it,, is it still around...(I doubt it seriously), but just asking...

The Heat had a decent amount of affiliates in the late-80's/early-90's. I'm thinking its biggest market affiliate was the old KIVA 105.1 in Albuquerque, though I believe it touted itself as being in some larger markets due to being on rimshot signals. The Heat is, in a sense, still around. It's ABC's "Today's Best Hits" format now. The station where I work airs it in the late evenings and overnights as well as Saturday and Sunday mornings.
 
greg.hahn said:
KyDXIn said:
Isn't this WLCL (former WQKC) signal just a wannabe signal. I'm not an engineer but according to radio-locator.com, WLCL has almost 1000 fewer watts of signal and operates on a 100 feet lower tower. Also, by going to FM Fool, it lists another station W230AK broadcasting at 93.9. How did the FCC let this happen?? Are they asleep in Washington?? WAKY seems to cover more of the E-town and Louisville area, where LCL covers Louisville alone. Also, is WAKY using 2 towers broadcasting on 103.5? On FM Fool, I find a WAKY-FM1 tower to the immediate southwest of Louisville. Is this done to sweeten the signal over downtown Louisville?
http://www.fmfool.com/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=29
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/pat?call=W230AK&service=FX&status=L&hours=U
http://www.radio-locator.com/cgi-bin/finder?sr=Y&s=C&call=Wqkc&x=10&y=4
WLCL has a better signal than WAKY by far. Yeah, WAKY covers way more square miles, but their tower is about 20 miles south of where it needs to be to adequately penetrate buildings in the Louisville market.

While WLCL covers almost everything within the Gene Snyder Freeway with a city grade (3.16 millivolt) contour, WAKY's city grade doesn't reach Jefferson County at all. WAKY's second tower is a 100 watt on-channel booster. THAT'S what gives the primary coverage to the city of Louisville...100 watts.

That 100 watt booster allows WAKY's "[interference] protected contour" (ONE millivolt) to make it past the hills in northern Bullitt county, and reach as far north as UofL.

Technically, WAKY has 4 times the power. WLCL is equivalent to 6000 watts at 328 feet, and WAKY is equivalent to 25,000 watts at 328 feet. But tower location is a critical factor in coverage. WLCL has a good location, WAKY does not. And that makes all the difference.
Thanks for the info! I'm always willing to learn.
 
F.Y.I.
As of today WAVG 1450 is WQKC "ESPN1450 The Ticket"
(There is a small piece in Angie Fenton's column in the C/J.)

P.S. If anyone wonders, I'm just a radio fan. Have been for over 30 years. Nothing more,nothing less. :)
 
WAKY promotes itself as a Louisville radio station. The other odd thing is on the hour, it identifies itself as " WAKY : Radcliff, Louisville ". The radio station sits on N. Miles street in Elizabethtown. Does any other Louisville radio station promote itself in one city and is located in another ?? If WAKY wants to retain its heritage, why wouldn't it be sitting in downtown Louisville where it originated instead of Elizabethtown. ???
 
Christopher5s said:
WAKY promotes itself as a Louisville radio station. The other odd thing is on the hour, it identifies itself as " WAKY : Radcliff, Louisville ". The radio station sits on N. Miles street in Elizabethtown. Does any other Louisville radio station promote itself in one city and is located in another ?? If WAKY wants to retain its heritage, why wouldn't it be sitting in downtown Louisville where it originated instead of Elizabethtown. ???
For 1 reason, rent's cheaper in E-town...plus, you have to keep your main studio within a certain geographical area. Chances are good that downtown Louisville is outside of that area. I'm being vague as the rules were once that you had to be inside the city of license. Then you had to be within the 70db city grade contour. It may now be within 25 miles of the transmitter. If anyone is current on that regulation, please clarify it for me/us...
 
Christopher5s said:
WAKY promotes itself as a Louisville radio station. The other odd thing is on the hour, it identifies itself as " WAKY : Radcliff, Louisville ". The radio station sits on N. Miles street in Elizabethtown. Does any other Louisville radio station promote itself in one city and is located in another ?? If WAKY wants to retain its heritage, why wouldn't it be sitting in downtown Louisville where it originated instead of Elizabethtown. ???

I'd bet 1570 ID's itself as WNDA New Albany, Louisville, even though their studio is located in Clarksville. Once you include your city of license in your ID, you can say anything you want after that. That's why WQMF-Jeffersonville, WSFR- Corydon, WZKF- Salem...all ID in Louisville.

But you make a good point. Every other "Louisville radio station" has it's main studio located in the Louisville Metro. WAKY does not. The FCC rule 73.1125 says your main studio must be within 25 miles of the center of your city of license. In Waky's case, that is Radcliff, which is 30 miles from downtown Louisville.

So they can't be downtown, but they could be on Dixie Highway or elsewhere on the south end. Or they could keep a pseudo "Main Studio" in Radcliff or E-town and have the real studio downtown if they wanted to.

I'd think that would be the next logical step in the 16 year quest to make 103.5 a Louisville radio station.
 
RADIOFAN502 said:
F.Y.I.
As of today WAVG 1450 is WQKC "ESPN1450 The Ticket"
(There is a small piece in Angie Fenton's column in the C/J.)

It dosn't sound like any of the local WQKC sports-talk talent was allowed to move over to WAVG-AM.
 
A station's main studio location must fit one of the following criteria:

(1) It must be located within the station's citygrade signal contour.

(2) It must be located inside the citygrade signal contour of at least one station, AM, FM or TV, licensed to the same city.

(3) It must be located within 25 miles from the center of the station's city of license. I believe that distance is measured "as the crow flies" rather than driving distance, but don't hold me to that.

I remember working for a company that was going to move one of its sister stations from 30 miles away into the building where I was working. It did not put a citygrade signal over the studio, but it was well within the citygrade signal contour of another station licensed to the same city. It would have been a perfectly legal move, and it was eventually made several years later and well after I left the company. The move was delayed for technical reasons, the biggest of which was that it needed two STL hops to get the product to the transmitter!
 
What's up with the automation programming on WQKC-1450? Every hour during mandatory local fill time (usually :38-:40) on the ESPN feed I hear 1-2 minutes of dead air. Also, the wrong liners often play during a show, two sources fire at once, the local automation steps on the ESPN feed, and other recurring problems. Traffic and operations have to get their act together and fast!

And my vote is to eliminate the "Midnight Radio Network" 1-6 am trucking show and stick with the ESPN overnight feed.
 
The King Bee said:
What's up with the automation programming on WQKC-1450? Every hour during mandatory local fill time (usually :38-:40) on the ESPN feed I hear 1-2 minutes of dead air. Also, the wrong liners often play during a show, two sources fire at once, the local automation steps on the ESPN feed, and other recurring problems. Traffic and operations have to get their act together and fast!

And my vote is to eliminate the "Midnight Radio Network" 1-6 am trucking show and stick with the ESPN overnight feed.
A trucker show on 1450? Bet that hauls in the big rigs for that 20 minute trip in & out of their coverage area at night.
 
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