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AAR adding more stations (2 in SF?) Buffalo, Orlando, more coming soon.

Re: Oh...REALLY?! Does a station with Hartmann exclusively "qualify" as an Affiliate? Maybe it's just 82

> > Wait a minute! KBBR 1340/Bend, KGOE 1480/Eureka,
> KSRO/1350
> > Santa Rosa, WTKG/Grand Rapids, and WPTT/Pittsburg just
> have
> > Hartmann. Should these Hartmann-only affiliates be listed
>
> > as affiliates on the AAR home page w/ the banner "87
> > Stations and Growing?" Maybe it's really 82!!!
> >
>
> why's ksro listed as San fran?? what a laugh!!

That was a dumb mistake. Is Santa Rosa considered part of the SF radio market, or do they have their own? I do know they're just a bit north of SF.<P ID="signature">______________
The Liberal Talk Radio Update</P>
 
Re: Oh...REALLY?! Does a station with Hartmann exclusively "qualify" as an Affiliate? Maybe it's just 82

> > > Wait a minute! KBBR 1340/Bend, KGOE 1480/Eureka,
> > KSRO/1350
> > > Santa Rosa, WTKG/Grand Rapids, and WPTT/Pittsburg just
> > have
> > > Hartmann. Should these Hartmann-only affiliates be
> listed
> >
> > > as affiliates on the AAR home page w/ the banner "87
> > > Stations and Growing?" Maybe it's really 82!!!
> > >
> >
> > why's ksro listed as San fran?? what a laugh!!
>
> That was a dumb mistake. Is Santa Rosa considered part of
> the SF radio market, or do they have their own? I do know
> they're just a bit north of SF.

According to <a target="_blank" href=http://www.arbitron.com/radio_stations/mm101150.asp>the list of markets rated by Arbitron</a>, Santa Rosa, California is market #118 (San Fransisco is #4).<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by robmidmi on 12/06/05 02:00 AM.</FONT></P>
 
Buffalo's WHLD -NOT- Going AAR; AAR Amateur Hour?

It's apparently Amateur Hour at AAR because the network evidently listed WHLD as a new affiliate for Buffalo, but this came as a surprise to the station itself(!)

One of the people who brokers time on the station for Democracy Now contacted the station and its marketing rep and learned it's all a big mistake, and surely enough, by 11:00am ET, mentions of WHLD are off the AAR website.

Exactly what constitutes an affiliate agreement at AAR that is sufficient enough to get them to put the station up on their website - requesting an information kit? Saying the words Air America Radio three times?

Totally bizarre, unless it was just the jump of a gun. Oh well, Buffalo will have to stick to XM or streaming for AAR at least for now.
 
Re: Buffalo's WHLD -NOT- Going AAR; AAR Amateur Hour?

> It's apparently Amateur Hour at AAR because the network
> evidently listed WHLD as a new affiliate for Buffalo, but
> this came as a surprise to the station itself(!)
>
> One of the people who brokers time on the station for
> Democracy Now contacted the station and its marketing rep
> and learned it's all a big mistake, and surely enough, by
> 11:00am ET, mentions of WHLD are off the AAR website.
>
> Exactly what constitutes an affiliate agreement at AAR that
> is sufficient enough to get them to put the station up on
> their website - requesting an information kit? Saying the
> words Air America Radio three times?
>
> Totally bizarre, unless it was just the jump of a gun. Oh
> well, Buffalo will have to stick to XM or streaming for AAR
> at least for now.
>

I agree. I thought AAR got these kinds of blunders out of their system long ago (they used to be notorious for this). Hopefully, the web designers or whoever is responsible gets some sort of dressing down from management. These kinds of mistakes are very embarassing.<P ID="signature">______________
The Liberal Talk Radio Update</P>
 
Re: Buffalo's WHLD -NOT- Going AAR; AAR Amateur Hour?

> I agree. I thought AAR got these kinds of blunders out of
> their system long ago (they used to be notorious for this).
> Hopefully, the web designers or whoever is responsible gets
> some sort of dressing down from management. These kinds of
> mistakes are very embarassing.

Not only that, but it could anger a station that was toying with affiliation to see this kind of thing happen. Do I smell a web intern at the helm of this nonsense? :)
 
Re: Buffalo's WHLD -NOT- Going AAR; AAR Amateur Hour?

I wonder if it could still happen somewhere down the line. Last summer the AAR web site listed WKZE-AM in the Poughkeepsie, NY market as "coming," and then the listing was dropped. Now I see that it's back. Apparently there were problems to be worked out and it took months to do it.

> > I agree. I thought AAR got these kinds of blunders out of
> > their system long ago (they used to be notorious for
> this).
> > Hopefully, the web designers or whoever is responsible
> gets
> > some sort of dressing down from management. These kinds of
>
> > mistakes are very embarassing.
>
> Not only that, but it could anger a station that was toying
> with affiliation to see this kind of thing happen. Do I
> smell a web intern at the helm of this nonsense? :)


>
 
Re: Buffalo's WHLD -NOT- Going AAR; AAR Amateur Hour?

> I wonder if it could still happen somewhere down the line.
> Last summer the AAR web site listed WKZE-AM in the
> Poughkeepsie, NY market as "coming," and then the listing
> was dropped. Now I see that it's back. Apparently there
> were problems to be worked out and it took months to do it.

And from what I recall, WKZE-AM is not really even charitably a Poughkeepsie "rimshot". It's a Sharon CT licensed daytime facility that brushes the edge of Poughkeepsie, if online signal maps are to be believed.

Several folks who blow the trumpets signaling AAR's "rise" have recently noted that the network's website jumped by about 10 or 15 affiliates. It turns out that this isn't a massive move to liberal talk...but rather, AAR including new AAR Syndication host Thom Hartmann's affiliate list in their own.

(Take a look at the AAR affiliate list - you'll notice stations like Pittsburgh's WPTT/1360 and Santa Rosa CA's KSRO/1350 - both are only there because of Hartmann. The easiest way to spot a Hartmann affliiate is that they lack the extra "-AM" after the station frequency.)

As far as what it takes to be listed as "coming soon" on the AAR list... let's hope they're not back to the days when anything short of hanging up on their affiliate reps on the phone got you on the list.

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
Re: AAR's Infamous Affiliate List (And Salem's, For That Matter)

> I've never heard Bennett's show. Does he offer gaming tips
> and sports book odds? Sorry, cheap shot.

Hah! He should sell time to Red Bull and NoDoz, actually.

> They do have an
> advantage being a full-service network, thought, in that
> they offer programming for any daypart that can easily fill
> a gap in an affiliate's schedule. Plus, they have a very
> heavy online listenership and a dedicated XM channel.

Oh, certainly. I see WHY AAR provides the 24/7 schedule, for all of those reasons. It's almost necessary, if stations want to do turnkey liberal talk and not have to fill the off/night/weekend hours with other shows. In this way, they're almost like the sports networks.

But...honestly, the INSISTENCE that major market stations take all of their programming, or nearly all, is nuts. They had enough flexibility to let stations, for example, take Jones' Ed Schultz and delay their own Randi Rhodes, but when they started, it sounded like they were aiming to do full-time brokered deals in all their big markets. You see how THAT worked out.

The only AAR programming that means anything at this point is Al Franken and Randi Rhodes. Nearly every other show is basically filler.

> AAR is the distributor, though the show originates from
> Chicago (occasionally Cincinnati). I'm still surprised
> Premiere didn't jump in and syndicate his show. I was sure
> that they would jump into the liberal talk fray.

I'd have to go look at the announcement again, but I'm pretty sure Clear Channel (not Premiere) is producing the show through its WCKY/1530 Cincinnati. And I'm also pretty sure that non-AAR/non-full-time libtalk affiliates like WTAM here in Northeast Ohio, WSRQ in Sarasota/Btadenton FL, etc. get the show separately out of Clear Channel, though maybe that's changed.

The line's a little blurry when it comes to CC-owned libtalkers who also take some AAR programming.

> I think AAR considers any station airing AAR programming to
> be an affiliate. Makes sense to me. After all, nobody
> complains when ESPN, FOX Sports or Sporting News Radio
> claims a station that only airs certain programs to be an
> 'affiliate'. Same with NPR or PRI (not every affiliate takes
> every program). I don't see much difference with AAR's
> model.

Now, it's different. But when AAR first started doing the affiliate list, it was assumed that everyone was taking nearly all their shows.

Even now, the addition of Springer and Hartmann's affiliates (particularly in Springer's case, with stations like WTAM), is a bit fishy...but they can do it and justify it. They probably should break out affiliate lists by shows.

-OA<P ID="signature">______________
Ohio Media Watch - <a target="_blank" href=http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com>http://ohiomedia.blogspot.com</a></P>
 
Re: AAR's Infamous Affiliate List (And Salem's, For That Matter)

> I think AAR considers any station airing AAR programming to
> be an affiliate. Makes sense to me. After all, nobody
> complains when ESPN, FOX Sports or Sporting News Radio
> claims a station that only airs certain programs to be an
> 'affiliate'. Same with NPR or PRI (not every affiliate takes
> every program). I don't see much difference with AAR's
> model.

Exactly. Our local NPR affiliate (WAMC in Albany, NY) carries programming from a variety of sources, including PRI, American Public Media, and the BBC -- and does a lot of local programming. But somehow I don't hear any cries of outrage because NPR lists the station as an affiliate.

BTW, I've been listenting to Thom Hartmann's web stream and it includes Air America's newscasts -- and Hartmann mentioned that the calls were being screened at the Air America studios in New York. Sure sounds like AAR programming to me. <P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by Scribbler on 12/06/05 06:08 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Buffalo's WHLD -NOT- Going AAR; AAR Amateur Hour?

I thought they went out of business over a month ago and Air America hired the guy who used to run it to run their syndication unit.

>
> One of the people who brokers time on the station for
> Democracy Now contacted the station and its marketing rep
> and learned it's all a big mistake, and surely enough, by
> 11:00am ET, mentions of WHLD are off the AAR website.
>
 
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