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[OhioMediaWatch]

You're gonna break that "rolleyes" thing.

Look, in your world, it would appear from your posts here, everything is "black and white". It's "liberal or conservative". "Left or right".

I'm trying to tell you that I'm not coming from the same viewpoint.

Let's address one point of yours:

My pointing out that station owners that flip AAR sometimes get bad press, whether deserved or not, is going to be seen as 'political' by some. I will give Baroosk credit~ he knows he has a bias and he knows I do too. But he is not silly enough to claim he doesn't. I don't as well. And he is willing to agree( with many ) that you cannot discuss political raido wothout getting too 'political'.

And MY point is that in this particular case, with this particular owner, he has endured a lot of criticism that has absolutely nothing to do with the now-short-lived KOMY liberal talk format.

Absolutely nothing.

And like all such rumblings, not all of it is deserved. But KJCB is coming from a radio perspective, not a political perspective. Why is that so difficult for you to grasp?

KSCO has been operating as a mostly conservative local news/talk station for a long time, and has been the market's Rush Limbaugh affiliate for all but a short part of that time (when Clear Channel's KION/1460 swiped Rush for about a year or so). The KOMY liberal talk format is but a small part of the company's history.

The criticism laid upon Mr. Zwerling by his detractors was there before the liberal talk format, during it, and after.

Unlike some of those calling him on the carpet, I don't believe putting AAR on 1340 was really ever a good idea, particularly as a competitor to an existing left-leaning talker in KRXA/540. And though he had some of his usual "foibles" running the KOMY liberal talk format, they're no different than some of the head-scratching moves he's made on the mothership, KSCO.

One point in that regard: his long-time association with infomercial host Dr. Joel Wallach and "Dead Doctors Don't Lie". KSCO has run that show AT NOON PACIFIC TIME, weekdays! (Mr. Zwerling owns and syndicates it.)

In what world does a decent station owner throw on an hour-long infomercial in the middle of the day during the week?

Would AAR have survived on 1340 with a different owner? Probably not. The AAR programming is mostly not very good, and 540 is serving that niche to whatever degree it exists even in "liberal Santa Cruz".

Evnlee, if you'd step back from the Political Gladiator Keyboard for just long enough, you'll see that both KJCB and I are talking RADIO, not POLITICS.

As far as it being impossible to talk about political talk radio without talking politics - it's not.

But I like to keep the discussion in radio, not in the realm of Which Ideology Is Right And Which Ideology Sucks.

Perfect example: I can say AAR's programming is mostly awful, because the network tries to be The Collection of True Believers who think they can influence elections. I can say I prefer Jones Radio's hosts, who (for the most part) seem to realize that an entertaining show is more important.

I can say that on the right side of the equation, people like Rush realize that, and not all of his imitators do.

 

[evnlee]

You're gonna break that "rolleyes" thing.

Look, in your world, it would appear from your posts here, everything is "black and white". It's "liberal or conservative". "Left or right".

I'm trying to tell you that I'm not coming from the same viewpoint.

Let's address one point of yours:

My pointing out that station owners that flip AAR sometimes get bad press, whether deserved or not, is going to be seen as 'political' by some. I will give Baroosk credit~ he knows he has a bias and he knows I do too. But he is not silly enough to claim he doesn't. I don't as well. And he is willing to agree( with many ) that you cannot discuss political raido wothout getting too 'political'.

And MY point is that in this particular case, with this particular owner, he has endured a lot of criticism that has absolutely nothing to do with the now-short-lived KOMY liberal talk format.

Absolutely nothing.

And like all such rumblings, not all of it is deserved. But KJCB is coming from a radio perspective, not a political perspective. Why is that so difficult for you to grasp?

KSCO has been operating as a mostly conservative local news/talk station for a long time, and has been the market's Rush Limbaugh affiliate for all but a short part of that time (when Clear Channel's KION/1460 swiped Rush for about a year or so). The KOMY liberal talk format is but a small part of the company's history.

The criticism laid upon Mr. Zwerling by his detractors was there before the liberal talk format, during it, and after.

Unlike some of those calling him on the carpet, I don't believe putting AAR on 1340 was really ever a good idea, particularly as a competitor to an existing left-leaning talker in KRXA/540. And though he had some of his usual "foibles" running the KOMY liberal talk format, they're no different than some of the head-scratching moves he's made on the mothership, KSCO.

One point in that regard: his long-time association with infomercial host Dr. Joel Wallach and "Dead Doctors Don't Lie". KSCO has run that show AT NOON PACIFIC TIME, weekdays! (Mr. Zwerling owns and syndicates it.)

In what world does a decent station owner throw on an hour-long infomercial in the middle of the day during the week?

Would AAR have survived on 1340 with a different owner? Probably not. The AAR programming is mostly not very good, and 540 is serving that niche to whatever degree it exists even in "liberal Santa Cruz".

Evnlee, if you'd step back from the Political Gladiator Keyboard for just long enough, you'll see that both KJCB and I are talking RADIO, not POLITICS.

As far as it being impossible to talk about political talk radio without talking politics - it's not.

But I like to keep the discussion in radio, not in the realm of Which Ideology Is Right And Which Ideology Sucks.

Perfect example: I can say AAR's programming is mostly awful, because the network tries to be The Collection of True Believers who think they can influence elections. I can say I prefer Jones Radio's hosts, who (for the most part) seem to realize that an entertaining show is more important.

I can say that on the right side of the equation, people like Rush realize that, and not all of his imitators do.

"In what world does a decent station owner throw on an hour-long infomercial in the middle of the day during the week?"

I guess the answer to that would be: In Zwerling's World.

Hey, where have we heard such statements as " Why is Joe Weber turning OFF AAR in Atlanta only to put on his 'eclectic' format, full of opera and bird calls?"

Right here! And the answer to that ridiculous query would be:

Well, that would be in Joe Weber's world.

You guys spin on your eyebrows sputetring 'p-p-p-politics!!' when my point had been BUSINESS.

"The criticism laid upon Mr. Zwerling by his detractors was there before the liberal talk format, during it, and after."

That may be so. But since I have only been perusing this board since '03, I haven't seen much of it.

As a matter of fact, I have seen more negative press since he yanked AAR off.

Interestingly enough, the local newspaper mentions not a whit of these claims you guys do. You would think any paid beat reporter worth her salt would have such revelations in her piece that I linked to. Huh. Wonder why? Well, she must obviously be a tool of the GOP. :

I'm sorry if it offends, but you guys really do come off as biased bloggers with the intent to insult or damge Zwerling, Weber, or any other station owner that pulls AAR. It may not be so, but that is my perception.

If you carefully read ALL of my posts, you will see my point is this guys maintains AAR was not good for his business, and because he stated that in the press, he has been 'targeted'.

If anyone is playing 'politics' here, it aint Baroosk and I. We are at least honest of our biases.

But listen, I better not keep you young 'journalists' from doing your thing. Keep on being 'obejctive', and 'watching' that media.

Maybe someday you will break that big Watergate type story : : :

 

[OhioMediaWatch]

"In what world does a decent station owner throw on an hour-long infomercial in the middle of the day during the week?"

I guess the answer to that would be: In Zwerling's World.

And it was my example that the man's detractors have solid base to criticize him, independent of whatever format he decides to run on 1340.

Running an infomercial peddling snake oil in the middle of the day is not solid radio business sense. And it has nothing to do with liberal talk, as it runs on his flagship conservative talker.

Hey, where have we heard such statements as " Why is Joe Weber turning OFF AAR in Atlanta only to put on his 'eclectic' format, full of opera and bird calls?"

Joe and MZ are similar, it would appear. Again, anything I say about it, personally, has nothing to do with the AAR format or liberal talk. You keep adding that.

"The criticism laid upon Mr. Zwerling by his detractors was there before the liberal talk format, during it, and after."

That may be so. But since I have only been perusing this board since '03, I haven't seen much of it.

It is so. It's been on numerous other forums and locations dedicated to broadcasting in that part of the world.

As a matter of fact, I have seen more negative press since he yanked AAR off.

Too much attention is being paid to it, IMHO. The station is a lower-powered small AM that's secondary to his primary outlet. And it was a mistake to go into the format.

Interestingly enough, the local newspaper mentions not a whit of these claims you guys do. You would think any paid beat reporter worth her salt would have such revelations in her piece that I linked to. Huh. Wonder why? Well, she must obviously be a tool of the GOP. :

The stuff KJCB and I bring up is mostly "inside baseball" radio stuff. It is not relevant to newspaper readers, or even the station's listeners (either 1080 or 1340). It's stuff that's buzzing around the business, and is not newsworthy.

I'm sorry if it offends, but you guys really do come off as biased bloggers with the intent to insult or damge Zwerling, Weber, or any other station owner that pulls AAR. It may not be so, but that is my perception.

You are 100% wrong with me. I can't speak for anyone else, except that I repeat that KJCB (who I know) is coming from the same angle as I am.

I've said now three times on this thread that it was a mistake for MZ to put AAR on KOMY, and I even said it on the start. I've called the AAR programming "mostly awful" repeatedly, here and elsewhere. And I've said that even WITHOUT the in-format competition from KRXA, it wasn't a good idea.

What else do I have to do to get you off my back on this? You paint me as a "biased blogger" tearing down Mr. Zwerling because he took AAR off of KOMY, when I've made it quite clear that I believe it was a BAD IDEA IN THE FIRST PLACE. KOMY seemed to have its greatest "success", such as it is, as a conservative talk sister to KSCO. Even the oldies format he just put on the signal will probably do much better than the AAR programming.

Radio, not politics. If you'll read closer, I'm agreeing with you more than you realize.

If you carefully read ALL of my posts, you will see my point is this guys maintains AAR was not good for his business, and because he stated that in the press, he has been 'targeted'.

Don't put words in my mouth (or on my keyboard). That isn't my viewpoint.

If anyone is playing 'politics' here, it aint Baroosk and I. We are at least honest of our biases.

You seem to have this thing in your head that I have some sort of political bias I'm not showing, and that's somehow behind what I've posted here about Mr. Zwerling/KSCO/KOMY. You could not possibly be more wrong, and I've demonstrated it so much that I'm running out of words.

Oh, thank you for calling me young

 

[evnlee]

Running an infomercial peddling snake oil in the middle of the day is not solid radio business sense. And it has nothing to do with liberal talk, as it runs on his flagship conservative talker.

Hey, where have we heard such statements as " Why is Joe Weber turning OFF AAR in Atlanta only to put on his 'eclectic' format, full of opera and bird calls?"

Joe and MZ are similar, it would appear. Again, anything I say about it, personally, has nothing to do with the AAR format or liberal talk. You keep adding that.


Who's 'business sense'? His, the guy who owns and operates stations, or you, a 'blogger'?

It may not make sense to 'inside baseball' guys like you and KJCB, but to him, running whatver he wants makes 'business sense'.

Joe Weber got called 'eccentric' when he owned 2 stations in Atlanta, due to his odd programing. When he purchased the one that AAR was on, and pulled it, that didn't make 'business sense' to alot of people. Thats when he went from being 'eccentric' to being to being 'a neo con schill for Isreal'. Now, I'm not putting words in YOUR mouth, but all that stuff I found wasnt in the AJC, it was on so-called media watch 'blogs', and right here on this blog.

So If I make the comparison that the 2 are being treated similar ( which it sure appears as such ), it is not an indictment of you or KJCB.

Again: you guys are all upset, but I have not called this guy any names, like 'nuts', 'snake oil salesman' , and the like. All I have done is point out the obvious,and it seems to have struck a nerve.

Hey, sometimes the truth hurts :

 

[OhioMediaWatch]

Last from me on this, evnlee, since I think we're talking past each other at this point...

Please, drop in at OMW. What we do there is not what you are associating with other blogs. OMW is a pretty straightforward media news-oriented site that happens to take the form of a blog.

I appreciate you understanding that some of the stuff you cited did NOT come from OMW. That's not really our style.

Thanks for taking part in this discussion, and for coming to an understanding!

 

[ajhenderson]

LOL, OMW. And well put. This won't reach a point of agreement on this board anytime soon.

As to Dead Doctors Don't Lie, a joke, indeed... but making as much money as the rest of KSCO! (which isn't that much) Although, in a miniscule way, when DDDL was moved to 1340 sometime after the flip, KSCO improved its programming to the level of the "Noon Balloon"... five local brokered hosts rather than one!