ABC decides on anchor replacements

[KeithE]

Re: Orphan Time Zone...Again

> > Also WNT will air live in 3 time zones,
> > including in the west.
>
> After seeing and reading this part of the
> story spun several ways by various media,
> I went to the source--abcnews.com--where
> the story stated live feeds would be at
> 6:30/8:30/9:30 ET, enabling live 'casts
> on the left coast at 5:30 and 6:30 PT.
> (Will assume they'll replay the 5:30 PT
> live feed at 6:00.)
>
> Doesn't do much for the ever-forgotten
> Mountain time zone though, unless you
> air the show at 6:30 MT...does anyone?

With only one Top 20 market (Denver) and only a very few markets between #30 and #99 (SLC, Albuquerque, Colorado Springs, El Paso) in the Mountain time zone year-round, there's no justification for running a separate feed for them. Most of the markets in the MTZ are #160 and up.

> I believe most MT affils of all three nets
> air at 5:30, a few of the smaller markets
> (take the 7:00 ET refeed) at 5:00 and a
> couple (PHX/CBS and SLC/ABC come to mind)
> run the net show at 6:00.
>
> Closed circuit for KNXV-TV Phoenix:
> in the summer remember to take the new live
> feed at 5:30, not the one you recorded at
> 3:30 or 4:00!

My guess is that they will since Phoenix is in the Pacific Daylight Time zone (UTC-7 hrs) most of the year, as far as live events are concerned. Ditto KGUN in Tucson.

 

[KMRichards]

Re: Orphan Time Zone...Again

> Having lived in the "Orphan" Time Zone previously, I feel
> your pain. Seems to me ABC should be able to better
> accomodate its Western affiliates, and in turn their
> viewers.
>
> Rationale: In both western time zones WNT is typically
> scheduled for 6 PM local but with the refeeds are on the
> half-hour, few stations west of the Central zone could carry
> it live. If ABC would move each one half hour earlier,
> problem solved. Everybody would get a live updated show -
> and that's the way it really should be.

Current West Coast affiliate practice runs contrary to your rationale.

This was discussed on the California TV board this past summer, and at one point I researched when the network news clears on the affiliated stations in California:

<a target="_blank" href=http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board.php?Post=506832&Board=tv-california>http://www.radio-info.com/mods/board.php?Post=506832&Board=tv-california</a>

Note that the vast majority of stations -- including all the major-market ones -- clear the network news at 5:30 or 6:30. Only Eureka and Chico-Redding have "on the hour" clearances.<P ID="signature">______________


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[Joseph_Gallant]

Re: Orphan Time Zone...Again

Aren't Arizona, Colorado and Utah three of the fastest-growing states in terms of population??

As I had mentioned elsewhere on this board, if ABC has three live feeds for "World News Tonight", they should be at 6:30 P.M. EST/EDT (for the Eastern and Central time zones), 7:30 P.M. EST/EDT (for the Mountain time zone, where it would air at 5:30 MST/MDT), and at 9:30 P.M. EST/EDT (for the Pacific time zone, where it would air at 6:30 PST/PDT; for Alaska, where it would air at 5:30 local; and Hawaii, where it would air at 4:30 local, live only during the months the mainland is on standard time unless Hawaii adopts daylight time)

 

[KeithE]

Re: Orphan Time Zone...Again

> Aren't Arizona, Colorado and Utah three of the
> fastest-growing states in terms of population??

As I said in another post in this thread, most of Arizona is on the same time as the west coast (UTC-7 hours - whether you call it PDT or MST is moot) for most of the year, even though the stations here maintain a 7-10 PM prime-time schedule year-round.

So, for the purpose of this discussion, Arizona is on Pacific time and will get a 5:30 news feed live for 7 months of the year.

 

[Markxxx]

Re: Orphan Time Zone...Again

> > Aren't Arizona, Colorado and Utah three of the
> > fastest-growing states in terms of population??
>
> As I said in another post in this thread, most of Arizona is
> on the same time as the west coast (UTC-7 hours - whether
> you call it PDT or MST is moot) for most of the year, even
> though the stations here maintain a 7-10 PM prime-time
> schedule year-round.
>
> So, for the purpose of this discussion, Arizona is on
> Pacific time and will get a 5:30 news feed live for 7 months
> of the year.
>
Also growth rate is a relative term. Nevada always grows rapidly. Because it's population is small to begin with. To put it simply if you have 10 people and 10 people move in that is a growth rate of 100%.

And even the western states are only large because they are so big.

For instance Texas has 20.8 million people.

But it is bigger than Illinois (12.7 mil) Indiana (6 million), Michigan (10 million) and Ohio (11.3 million) and those states total over 40 million people.

NY (19.9 mil) and PA(12.5 mil) together have 32.4 which is just less than California. (33.5 mil). Though California is MUCH bigger than NY and PA combined.<P ID="signature">______________
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[dustintv]

Phoenix-Not for so long

> > Aren't Arizona, Colorado and Utah three of the
> > fastest-growing states in terms of population??
>
> As I said in another post in this thread, most of Arizona is
> on the same time as the west coast (UTC-7 hours - whether
> you call it PDT or MST is moot) for most of the year, even
> though the stations here maintain a 7-10 PM prime-time
> schedule year-round.
>
> So, for the purpose of this discussion, Arizona is on
> Pacific time and will get a 5:30 news feed live for 7 months
> of the year.
>
Once Arizona starts Daytlight Savings next year, I would assume they will be in the Mountain Time Zone as well...

 

[KeithE]

Re: Phoenix-Not for so long

> Once Arizona starts Daytlight Savings next year, I would
> assume they will be in the Mountain Time Zone as well...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't heard anything about Arizona going to DST. Indiana, yes, Arizona, no. It's been tried and failed. Nobody wants sunset at 9:30 PM with temperatures well above 100 at that time.

 

[dhett]

BLASPHEMY!!!

> My guess is that they will since Phoenix is in the Pacific
> Daylight Time zone (UTC-7 hrs) most of the year, as far as
> live events are concerned. Ditto KGUN in Tucson.

Everyone KNOWS that Arizona is NEVER in Pacific Daylight Time, but that most of Arizona remains in MOUNTAIN STANDARD TIME year-round!!

For your blasphemy, I sentence you to an afternoon of cholla diving. Or a musical concert featuring the singing of Roseanne Barr. Your choice.

 

[formeraa]

Re: Phoenix-Not for so long

> > Once Arizona starts Daytlight Savings next year, I would
> > assume they will be in the Mountain Time Zone as well...
>
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't heard anything about
> Arizona going to DST. Indiana, yes, Arizona, no. It's been
> tried and failed. Nobody wants sunset at 9:30 PM with
> temperatures well above 100 at that time.
>
Arizona is NOT going to Daylight Savings Time. Not gonna happen!!!

 

[tanim_95]

Re: Phoenix-Not for so long

> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't heard anything about
> Arizona going to DST. Indiana, yes, Arizona, no. It's been
> tried and failed. Nobody wants sunset at 9:30 PM with
> temperatures well above 100 at that time.

But if AZ moved into the Pacific Time Zone year-round -- and that includes observing DST in the summer -- the sun would be setting at the same time that it is now (since AZ is already the same as PDT in the summer.)

 

[KeithE]

Re: BLASPHEMY!!!

> > My guess is that they will since Phoenix is in the Pacific
> > Daylight Time zone (UTC-7 hrs) most of the year, as far as
> > live events are concerned. Ditto KGUN in Tucson.
>
> Everyone KNOWS that Arizona is NEVER in Pacific Daylight
> Time, but that most of Arizona remains in MOUNTAIN STANDARD
> TIME year-round!!

Personally, I'd rather see Arizona be on Pacific time year-round. Won't happen, and nobody's proposing it AFAIK. Sunrise and sunset would be a bit early this time of year (6:20 AM and 4:20 PM today, for example) but that'd be just like the rest of the country. The prime-time TV schedules might then be moved up an hour to 8-11 PM, although not necessarily.

> For your blasphemy, I sentence you to an afternoon of cholla
> diving. Or a musical concert featuring the singing of
> Roseanne Barr. Your choice.

Just as long as you don't sentence me to watch a full season of Arizona Cardinals games. That's cruel and unusual punishment. :-D

 

[BRNout]

Re: Anatomy of an Urban Legend

Folks, here is a prime example of how "urban legends" are born on the 'net:

> >
> Once Arizona starts Daytlight Savings next year, I would
> assume they will be in the Mountain Time Zone as well...
>
Then, someone reads it and says "yeah, I read that somewhere". Don't be fooled, there's absolutely no validity in this statement. Arizona has no plans to go to Daylight Savings time.

And, they are in the Mountain Time Zone ALL OF THE TIME -> Mountain Standard Time.

 

[tanim_95]

Re: BLASPHEMY!!!

> Personally, I'd rather see Arizona be on Pacific time
> year-round. Won't happen, and nobody's proposing it AFAIK.
> Sunrise and sunset would be a bit early this time of year
> (6:20 AM and 4:20 PM today, for example) but that'd be just
> like the rest of the country. The prime-time TV schedules
> might then be moved up an hour to 8-11 PM, although not
> necessarily.

AZ going Pacific Time year-round (including observing DST) would also be nice for cable programs on national cable networks. As it stands now, cable programs air one hour later in the winter than they do in the summer. What's worse is that so many of cable's best programs air at 10pm ET/PT, which means 10pm in AZ in the summer, but 11pm in the winter!

This also affects live national programs on broadcast stations (i.e. Monday Night Football...6pm start time through the end October, 7pm start time for the rest of the season.)

 

[dustintv]

Thanks for the correction

> > > Once Arizona starts Daytlight Savings next year, I would
>
> > > assume they will be in the Mountain Time Zone as well...
>
> >
> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but I haven't heard anything
> about
> > Arizona going to DST. Indiana, yes, Arizona, no. It's
> been
> > tried and failed. Nobody wants sunset at 9:30 PM with
> > temperatures well above 100 at that time.
> >
> Arizona is NOT going to Daylight Savings Time. Not gonna
> happen!!!
>
I had assumed it was as well, but it makes sense it isn't. Thanks.

 

[bpatrick]

Re: Orphan Time Zone...Again

> > >
> >
> Also growth rate is a relative term. Nevada always grows
> rapidly. Because it's population is small to begin with. To
> put it simply if you have 10 people and 10 people move in
> that is a growth rate of 100%.

For the purposes of this discussion, Nevada is on Pacific
time year-round.
>
> And even the western states are only large because they are
> so big.
>
> For instance Texas has 20.8 million people.

And here you're talking Central time, except for El Paso,
which is year-round Mountain time.
>
> The fact is, the Mountain states are still sparsely
populated relative to the rest of the country. That
has to enter into ABC's thinking about not providing
a live feed to the Mountain time zone.

The only thing I can see that would solve the problem
is one the Eastern time zone would never accept: revive
the 6 PM feed ABC did in the Smith/Reasoner and Reynolds/
Jennings/Robinson eras. Then you go live at
6 (ET and PT), 5 (CT and MT), with repeat feeds at
6:30 and 7 (ET and PT), 5:30 and 6 (CT and MT).
Problem: how many Eastern stations are willing to give
up their 6 PM local news? Probably precisely none.
The early feed was more for the benefit of the Central
time zone, where a lot of ABC affiliates used to run
the news at 5. It's an idea, but one ABC will never
entertain.

BTW, only two states do not observe DST as of 2006:
Arizona and Hawaii.
>

 

[oldiesfan]

Cable Company Rant (Was--Re: BLASPHEMY!!!)

> AZ going Pacific Time year-round (including observing DST)
> would also be nice for cable programs on national cable
> networks. As it stands now, cable programs air one hour
> later in the winter than they do in the summer. What's
> worse is that so many of cable's best programs air at 10pm
> ET/PT, which means 10pm in AZ in the summer, but 11pm in the
> winter!

All you have to do to fix this is get the stupid
cable company (uno who!) to take the east coast
feeds in the winter on the cable channels with
east and west coast feeds. Their "showcase"
programming from 8-11 ET would air here 6-9 MT.

I've posted this before--there is nothing of a
technical nature that would prevent them from
switching transponders at 2:00am twice a year,
and as another poster pointed out, there are
even computer programs that will do this
automatically, so they wouldn't even have to
bring someone in on OT. Although with Cox's
track record of screwing up the KPHO-TV local
cut-in on Headline News (by playing it five
minutes late), maybe they should have a few
live techs oversee the switch.

 

[oldiesfan]

Re: Phoenix-Not for so long

> Nobody wants sunset at 9:30 PM with temperatures
> well above 100 at that time.

Point of order.

(Cue the Animal House line ;-)

Latest sunset in PHX on MDT--using the lat/long
coordinates for the airport--would be 8:42pm,
civil dusk 9:11pm.

I will however grant you the 100-plus degrees
probability 48 minutes after sunset in late June.