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Absolutely EPIC, amazing Es tonight 6/25/13

C

crainbebo

As I was driving back from a Hood Canal clam/oyster trip, I noted some great E-skip to the Midwest. Here's the many logs I made tonight.

c. 6:30PM - 98.5 KHAQ Maxwell, NE, heard in Dupont, WA with ID "The Hawk" very strong signal! New log, 100kw at 1168 miles.
7:10PM - 99.5 KUTT Fairbury, NE heard near Federal Way, WA weak with ID by woman "KUTT" which sounded like KBDD. 1342 mi, 100kw, new log.
7:15-7:20PM - 89.1 KHNE Hastings, NE, an unid 91.1 (KUCV or KTNE who knows) and 91.5 KRNE Merriman, NE. Classical music // all three. Since paths were into NE, these were the best suspects. KHNE is new, 68kw at 1271 mi, and KRNE is new, 100kw at 1046 miles.

Then once I got home, these came in. Es rocked to 105 mhz and 2-meter Es was reported from BC-CO. MANY new logs. Made my day and my Es season!
8:57PM - 94.7 KCNB Chadron, NE; VERY strong signal with end of "Yeah 3X" by Chris Brown and TOH ID "B94.7 is KCNB Chadron." New, 100kw at 981 miles.
8:59PM - 91.9 KCNE Chadron, NE; somewhat based on skip path but // KRNE which came back in. 8400 watts at 981 miles. New.
9:04PM - 98.7 KOUT Rapid City, SD; ID "Cat Country" and syndicated "Lia" show, very strong signal way over KLCK's IBOC. New, 100kw at 934 miles.
9:07PM - 99.5 KRKI Keystone, SD; mention of the Black Hills and classic C&W music. 100kw at 930 miles. New.
9:22PM - 104.9 KRRR Cheyenne, WY; over KKBW with Chicago's "Just You and Me", song match to website. 25.5kw at 961 miles, new.
9:27PM - 90.1 KYCC Stockton, CALIFORNIA - ID "KYCC" very strong signal. At the same time I had WY, so two clouds were up! 41kw at 684 miles, new and very short skip.
9:32PM - 96.1 KSTR Montrose, CO; music by Kansas, "Carry On My Wayward Son" and "K-Star" ID. 100kw at 958 miles. New.
9:46PM - SHORTEST E-SKIP RECORD BROKEN!! 93.7 KQJK Roseville, CA song match to Tom Petty's "Free Fallin." 25kw at 630 miles, shortest E-skip record in my log, beating 91.7 KALW San Francisco on 8/2/12.
9:47PM - 93.7 KJZY Sebastopol, CA, song match to stream, smooth jazz music swapping with KQJK. 6kw at 654 miles, again, very short E-skip. I also looked for KIOI 101.3 to no avail.

In total, that's 13 new logs! Incredible night for me.

-crainbebo
 
to make the KJZY reception even more impressive...according to KJZY's Rob Singleton's Facebook page,
KJZY is operating on greatly reduced power...making reception difficult for some locations in Sonoma County.
They normally can be heard in Sonoma, Napa, and Marin counties...and used to show up in the SF Arbitron (pre-PPM).
 
That's wonderful! I'm probably thinking no more than 3000 watts if they are not being heard well in Petaluma. I did great with that short skip!

-crainbebo
 
In the good old days e-skip of just over 400 miles distance did happen.

Vancouver/Bellingham & Seattle TV/FM.
San Francisco FM/TV FM (just under 500 miles)
Sacramento FM
Billings TV.

We don't get strong tropo in this regon.
When Seattle FMs were in with tropo they were always weak.
Never got Nevada, California, or Montana on tropo.
 
boiseengineer said:
In the good old days e-skip of just over 400 miles distance did happen.

Vancouver/Bellingham & Seattle TV/FM.
San Francisco FM/TV FM (just under 500 miles)
Sacramento FM
Billings TV.

We don't get strong tropo in this regon.
When Seattle FMs were in with tropo they were always weak.
Never got Nevada, California, or Montana on tropo.
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Incredible! What Seattle/Bellingham/Vancouver FM + TVs were you able to get via Tropo and E-skip? That's 400-500 miles right there, just incredible short skip right there.

P.S. I was looking at a WTFDA VUD from around the late 1990s and found a DXer from Southern Oregon that had *260* mi E-skip on Ch 3 to Sacramento!! (KCRA) Just incredible there. Same opening brought San Francisco FM (c. 450-500 mi) into other parts of Oregon.

-crainbebo
 
crainbebo said:
boiseengineer said:
In the good old days e-skip of just over 400 miles distance did happen.

Vancouver/Bellingham & Seattle TV/FM.
San Francisco FM/TV FM (just under 500 miles)
Sacramento FM
Billings TV.

We don't get strong tropo in this regon.
When Seattle FMs were in with tropo they were always weak.
Never got Nevada, California, or Montana on tropo.
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Incredible! What Seattle/Bellingham/Vancouver FM + TVs were you able to get via Tropo and E-skip? That's 400-500 miles right there, just incredible short skip right there.

P.S. I was looking at a WTFDA VUD from around the late 1990s and found a DXer from Southern Oregon that had *260* mi E-skip on Ch 3 to Sacramento!! (KCRA) Just incredible there. Same opening brought San Francisco FM (c. 450-500 mi) into other parts of Oregon.

-crainbebo
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How can one tell the difference between tropo and e-skip, besides distance?
 
E-skip consists of rapid fading in and out. Tropo is mainly steady.

-crainbebo
 
Yep. It was a 300-mile reception into Shreveport IIRC.

-crainbebo
 
Confirmed a 14th new log!

105.1 - KPLD Kanab, UT; an UNID confirmed three days later by the mention of "Discount Mattress" at 969 N 350 E in St. George. They mentioned a Monster tour that I found out was Monster X and not Monster Jam, as I originally thought. Station is known as "Planet 94.1" since it has a relayer on 94.1 in St. George, and uses the full powered 105.1 transmitter in Kanab. Paths fit as well because this was shortly before my new log of KSTR 96.1 in Montrose. NEW, 100kw at 886 miles.

-crainbebo
 
I heard WKTU 92.3 New York City, NY once in Southeast MI, just over 500 miles, and WLNG 92.1 Sag Harbor, NY during the same E skip event. I have fairly frequently heard Class As out on Long Island in rural areas of Michigan, and there are no stations in that direction in the typical 1000 mile range. It's still usually the low end frequencies. I've also had tropo reception from WRCK 107.3 Utica, NY, in the 450 mile range.
 
Schroedingers Cat said:
I heard WKTU 92.3 New York City, NY once in Southeast MI, just over 500 miles, and WLNG 92.1 Sag Harbor, NY during the same E skip event. I have fairly frequently heard Class As out on Long Island in rural areas of Michigan, and there are no stations in that direction in the typical 1000 mile range. It's still usually the low end frequencies. I've also had tropo reception from WRCK 107.3 Utica, NY, in the 450 mile range.
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WWL (AM) is a fairly frequent nighttime visitor up in Northern Michigan. The neat thing is that I once got their FM simulcast on 105.3 via E-skip just after the local 105.3 moved to Grand Rapids
 
I tried SO HARD to get KIOI, but alas MUF was too low on the dial. 101.3 was blank.

-crainbebo
 
No not that either.

I had only KYCC 90.1, KQJK 93.7 and KJZY 93.7 from CA. Anything else was unid, including a Religion on 89.9 swapping with jazz music, another religion on 91.1, and jazz on 88.9 which was not KXPR of course. This all was after the KSTR-96.1 CO log.

-crainbebo
 
It makes sense that the short hop Sporadic E skips favor the low end of the band. The incident wavefronts would be at a higher angle, and the higher frequencies would penetrate the layer without reflection while the lower frequencies would reflect. Come to think of it, almost all of my higher end FM Sporadic E receptions are from further away. You've got the incident angle in addition to things like Sporadic E MUF. For 500 miles, I think the incident angle would be about 15 degrees. Come to think of it, that would also tend to favor Class As and lower power Class Bs that use fewer bays, because the radiation at the higher angle would be greater. That may also explain the propensity of stations like WLNG 92.1 to be heard on Sporadic E at shorter distances.
 
MarioMania said:
I'm still learning about Tropo and E-Skips, How far can a Tropo go?
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The current tropo record is a tad over 3,000 miles between the Big Island of Hawaii and the bulge on the west coast of Mexico.

However, that kind of distance is only going to happen over very specific paths. You're not going to see a 3,000-mile tropo opening from Seattle to Caracas or from Chicago to London or anything like that.

Tropo DX of more than 500 miles is EXTREMELY rare.
 
And for us in the Pacific NW, Tropo over 200 miles is RARE altogether. I've only gotten KDUK 104.7 Florence, OR TWICE. 250 mi. The Cascade Mtns, the Olympics, and the Siskiyou Mtns near Medford seem to stop all long range Tr from reaching here.

There can be 500 mi tropo but it's like a holy grail out here. Mike Cherry (a BC DXer) used to go out to the Vancouver Island coast and logged Eureka CA stations a couple of times (mainly KEKA).

-crainbebo
 
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