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[RBW]

A few of my favorites, whenever heard on terrestrial radio, never seem to get honored with the full versions, so all we hear are butchered radio cuts.

The question; if the long versions were played, do you think it should be on a traditional "oldies" station or would a "classic rock" station be more likely to spin the album version? Perhaps the theory with oldies is that the songs are generally shorter and stations want MORE music in each hour? --- or so afraid that buttons will be pushed more frequently if an unappreciated song runs longer than 3 minutes.

Here my short list of candidates:

Chicago "Beginnings"
Doors "Light My Fire"
Hall & Oates "She's Gone"
Steely Dan "Do It Again"

Any others of note?

 

[satech]

I actually never hear the short version of "Light My Fire" on the radio anymore. At least here in the NY/NJ/PA area, everyone is playing the long version -- Oldies, Classic Hits, and Classic Rock stations alike.

Same thing with the big hits by Blood, Sweat & Tears. I keep waiting to hear the original short versions of "You've Made Me So Very Happy" and "Spinning Wheel," but everyone plays the long versions, even AM Oldies stations, maybe because it's difficult to find the short versions in stereo (BST's own Greatest Hits album has these two in mono, while all the other songs are stereo).

I do believe the last time I heard "Beginnings" on the radio it was the short version, however, which is fine by me.

 

[firepoint525]

Using the example of "Light My Fire," I think the classic hits stations would tend to favor the short version, while the classic rock stations would prefer to play the long version.

Similar situation with "Crimson and Clover" by Tommy James and the Shondells, although the single version of that one seems too short to me.

 

[RBW]

Using the example of "Light My Fire," I think the classic hits stations would tend to favor the short version, while the classic rock stations would prefer to play the long version.

Using the example of "Light My Fire," I think the classic hits stations would tend to favor the short version, while the classic rock stations would prefer to play the long version.

Yes I guess we need to distinguish these formats now. To me... oldies was always just oldies, but as with the one & only FM "classic hits" (as I guess we need to call them now) station we have here (eastern NY), only the 3 min "LMF" version is heard.

I do believe the last time I heard "Beginnings" on the radio it was the short version, however, which is fine by me.

I love the long version, and have only heard it played locally on a mom & pop AM.

 

[Les Stock]

A few of my favorites, whenever heard on terrestrial radio, never seem to get honored with the full versions, so all we hear are butchered radio cuts.

The question; if the long versions were played, do you think it should be on a traditional "oldies" station or would a "classic rock" station be more likely to spin the album version? Perhaps the theory with oldies is that the songs are generally shorter and stations want MORE music in each hour? --- or so afraid that buttons will be pushed more frequently if an unappreciated song runs longer than 3 minutes.

Here my short list of candidates:

Chicago "Beginnings"
Doors "Light My Fire"
Hall & Oates "She's Gone"
Steely Dan "Do It Again"

Any others of note?

Santana's "Black Magic Woman" without "Gyspy Queen" is just plain wrong. So is Queen's "We Will Rock You" without "We Are The Champions."

On the other hand, I prefer the edited version of BOC's "Don't Fear the Reaper." Sounds less contrived. Same with "Roundabout," by Yes. The custom edit on my mp3 player is like the 45rpm version, with the addition of the album version's second verse.

 

[TheFonz]

A few of my favorites, whenever heard on terrestrial radio, never seem to get honored with the full versions, so all we hear are butchered radio cuts.

The question; if the long versions were played, do you think it should be on a traditional "oldies" station or would a "classic rock" station be more likely to spin the album version? Perhaps the theory with oldies is that the songs are generally shorter and stations want MORE music in each hour? --- or so afraid that buttons will be pushed more frequently if an unappreciated song runs longer than 3 minutes.

Here my short list of candidates:

Chicago "Beginnings"
Doors "Light My Fire"
Hall & Oates "She's Gone"
Steely Dan "Do It Again"

Any others of note?

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I think that "Oldies" suggests nostalga. Since most songs played on Top 40 radio before the mid '60s were shorter single versions, those versions should be played on Oldies stations. Album cuts work fine on Classic Rock stations.

 

[firepoint525]

Santana's "Black Magic Woman" without "Gyspy Queen" is just plain wrong. So is Queen's "We Will Rock You" without "We Are The Champions."

I consider "We Will Rock You" and "We Are the Champions" to be two separate songs. They were, after all, back to back on the same 45. However, they were both hits, and became hits by being played as a two-song medley. And "We Will Rock You" is only about two minutes, and together, they are only about five minutes, so really not that long. (The only time I can ever recall hearing "Rock You" without "Champions" was back when "Champions" was top 10. AT40 had just finished, and "Champions" had just been played less than an hour earlier, so they played "Rock You" without "Champions.")

On the other hand, I prefer the edited version of BOC's "Don't Fear the Reaper." Sounds less contrived. Same with "Roundabout," by Yes. The custom edit on my mp3 player is like the 45rpm version, with the addition of the album version's second verse.

I would prefer some "in-between" edits myself, too. Like "Blinded by the Light" without "Chopsticks" in the instrumental break. And I would prefer about a six-minute version of "Slow Ride," too, but I'm not sure what I would cut out of it to shorten it to six minutes.

 

[deltas69]

"inna godda da vida".. rare earth's "get ready"...and lest i forget.. "macarthurs park"..all great bathroom songs ;D

 

[RMarino]

I would prefer some "in-between" edits myself, too. Like "Blinded by the Light" without "Chopsticks" in the instrumental break. And I would prefer about a six-minute version of "Slow Ride," too, but I'm not sure what I would cut out of it to shorten it to six minutes.

I like the idea of "in-between" edits. For example, I like the edit of Who's "Won't Get Fooled Again" but would like to add the 2nd verse back in it.

I'm surprised you guys hear some of those edits on the air, especially "Beginnings" and "Do It Again" since those are much harder to find on CD than the album versions. I guess that's why I like hearing original single edits; they are hard-to-find.

 

[RBW]

I have a radio (45) single of Don Henley's "Sunset Grill". 6:22 on one side -- 4:26 edit on the flip. My pick has always been the longer cut ;D

 

[firepoint525]

I would prefer some "in-between" edits myself, too. Like "Blinded by the Light" without "Chopsticks" in the instrumental break. And I would prefer about a six-minute version of "Slow Ride," too, but I'm not sure what I would cut out of it to shorten it to six minutes.

I like the idea of "in-between" edits. For example, I like the edit of Who's "Won't Get Fooled Again" but would like to add the 2nd verse back in it.
I'm surprised you guys hear some of those edits on the air, especially "Beginnings" and "Do It Again" since those are much harder to find on CD than the album versions. I guess that's why I like hearing original single edits; they are hard-to-find.

The only edit of "Do It Again" that I have heard omits the second half of the solo in the middle of the song. I have always assumed that this was a radio-only edit, meaning that it was never commercially available. I hear this version on my local classic hits radio affiliate, WKOM in Columbia, Tennessee. Interestingly enough, classic hits radio still plays the single edits of the Bob Seger hits "Night Moves" and "Against the Wind." Don't usually hear those anywhere else anymore, especially "Night Moves."

 

[RBW]

The only edit of "Do It Again" that I have heard omits the second half of the solo in the middle of the song. [/quote]

Exactly!! That's the BEST part of the song!

 

[Starbucks]

A few of my favorites, whenever heard on terrestrial radio, never seem to get honored with the full versions, so all we hear are butchered radio cuts.

The question; if the long versions were played, do you think it should be on a traditional "oldies" station or would a "classic rock" station be more likely to spin the album version? Perhaps the theory with oldies is that the songs are generally shorter and stations want MORE music in each hour? --- or so afraid that buttons will be pushed more frequently if an unappreciated song runs longer than 3 minutes.

This was the beginning of the doom of AM radio when the public learned there was long versions of these songs. Instead of hearing more commercials...they went to FM to hear the whole version of Light My Fire. And yes even the oldies or classic hits will play the uncut version feeling guilty of their mistakes in the past. And most adults prefer to hear the long version on an oldies station today then hearing that 2:30 edited version.
Here my short list of candidates:

Chicago "Beginnings"
Doors "Light My Fire"
Hall & Oates "She's Gone"
Steely Dan "Do It Again"

Any others of note?

 

[TheFonz]

This was the beginning of the doom of AM radio when the public learned there was long versions of these songs. Instead of hearing more commercials...they went to FM to hear the whole version of Light My Fire. And yes even the oldies or classic hits will play the uncut version feeling guilty of their mistakes in the past. And most adults prefer to hear the long version on an oldies station today then hearing that 2:30 edited version. Here my short list of candidates:

Interesting topic. I guess I'm more of a "radio fan" than a music fan. I prefer my Oldies station to sound like the AM station I listened to "back in the day". Therefore, I would prefer to hear the edited versions that were played back then.

 

[willdav713]

A few of my favorites, whenever heard on terrestrial radio, never seem to get honored with the full versions, so all we hear are butchered radio cuts.

The question; if the long versions were played, do you think it should be on a traditional "oldies" station or would a "classic rock" station be more likely to spin the album version? Perhaps the theory with oldies is that the songs are generally shorter and stations want MORE music in each hour? --- or so afraid that buttons will be pushed more frequently if an unappreciated song runs longer than 3 minutes.

Here my short list of candidates:

Chicago "Beginnings"
Doors "Light My Fire"
Hall & Oates "She's Gone"
Steely Dan "Do It Again"

Any others of note?

Yes Chicago "Make Me Smile" (long version played on Classic Rock KZEP 104.5 in San Antonio in 1990.
Temptations "Papa Was A Rolling Stone"
Gerry Rafferty's "Baker Street"
Don McLean's "American Pie"
War "Spill The Wine"
Sugarloaf "Green Eyed Lady"
Chicago "Does Anyone Know What Time it Is"
Zapp and Roger "More Bounce To the Ounce"*
Parliment "Flashlight"*
Peaches and Herb "Shake Your Groove Thang"
Donna Summer "On the Radio"
Little River Band "Lady"

*not on Traditional Oldies stations

I heard the album version of She's Gone by Hall and Oates on KONO 101.1 San Antonio I still consider them an Oldies station.
Taste of Honey "Boogie Oogie Oogie" long version never played on oldies stations only Urban ACs such as Houston's Majic 102 back in 2005.

I also want to note out that back in 1990 when San Antonio had 3 Oldies stations on FM, KSMG Magic 105.3 played the album versions of most of their oldies. 99.5 KISS would play the 45 edits, KONO would do sometimes both or cut the album version to size. All 3 Oldies stations would play the edited Greatest Hits version of Make My Smile by Chicago except for KZEP which is Classic Rock, and KONO would edit Papa Was A Rolling Stone by the Temptations while Magic 105 would not.

CHR had the same scheme in San Antonio KSAQ Q96 would play 12" CHR cuts and KTFM would play the edits. For this very reason Q96, KZEP, and Magic 105 were my most listened to stations at that time.

In Houston CHR 93Q would play the longer versions, and Club 104 KRBE would play mixed up versions of songs with adlibs taking out, and Oldies KLDE would play edits for longer versions of Oldies they would be on Classic Rock Z107.5.

 

[hornet61]

some great R&B part 1 and 2 cuts that mostly never got played.

1. Fingertips...pt 2 went to #1
2. What I Say......most Atlantic compilations offer the entended 1 and 2
3. James Brown had several pt 1 and 2
a. mother popcorn
b. coldsweat
c. papa don't take no mess
d. super bad
4. Tighten Up - Archie Bell and the Drells
6. Marvin gaye - got tp give it Up ...pt 1 and 2

 

[johnbasalla]

I don't recall any one playing an edited version of "MacArthur's Park" by Richard Harris.

I'd rather hear the full versions.
Led Zepplin - "Whole Lotta Love" ... although I can see why some would want to cut this
"Magic Carpet Ride" by Steppenwolf. The song loses a lot when that cool instrumental section is cut, as is on "oldies" stations"
"I'm Not My Brothers Keeper" by Flaming Ember although the song is not hurt too much by the single edit
"Stop The World and Let Me Off!" by Flaming Ember. A whole verse is missing on the single, but like "Brothers", it's ok.
"Did You See Her Eyes" - By The Illusion

I really dislike the single edits of The Doors "Light My Fire", Led Zeps "Whole Lotta Love", and ... "In A Gadda Da Vida" by Iron Butterfly which is not much of a song without all the psychedelic meanderings and the drum solo of the LP version.

 

[vchimpanzee]

I actually never hear the short version of "Light My Fire" on the radio anymore. At least here in the NY/NJ/PA area, everyone is playing the long version -- Oldies, Classic Hits, and Classic Rock stations alike.

Same thing with the big hits by Blood, Sweat & Tears. I keep waiting to hear the original short versions of "You've Made Me So Very Happy" and "Spinning Wheel," but everyone plays the long versions, even AM Oldies stations, maybe because it's difficult to find the short versions in stereo (BST's own Greatest Hits album has these two in mono, while all the other songs are stereo).

I do believe the last time I heard "Beginnings" on the radio it was the short version, however, which is fine by me.

Standards radio plays the short versions of Blood, Sweat and Tears, I'm pretty sure. The only album version I've heard on standards recently is "Sing, Sing, Sing" by Benny Goodman, and that was a local station.

Oh, wait, one standards station I used to listen to had the long version of "Hard to Say I'm Sorry" by Chicago. This was not a good thing, in my opinion. If you want to rock I suppose it is.

I am reminded of when I looked up Boston's "Long Time" on Wikipedia. It was actually referred to as "Foreplay"/"Long Time".

I want to ask this: is "Eruption" the introduction to Van Halen's "You Really Got Me"?

 

[jonbruce]

When I was at a top 40 station in the Riverside-San Bernardino market and Light My Fire was a current hit we played the short version days and the long one at night. Likewise for the Iron Buttefly. Now at Classic Hits KDES Palm Springs we play the long American Pie. Actually I never heard of the short one here on the west coast until we added a standard station (KWXY) here and the short one is played there. Regarding Light my fire sadly we play the short one at KDES. I have often during the 16 years I have been on KDES get calls for the long one. I played it once while doing morning drive for the vacationing PD. Got a hot line call from him saying if I ever played it again he would fire me ! I have complied and actually it is just about the only thing we don't agree on. I have never heard anyone say they like the short version of that better than the long one tho.

 

[hornet61]

When I was at a top 40 station in the Riverside-San Bernardino market and Light My Fire was a current hit we played the short version days and the long one at night. Likewise for the Iron Buttefly. Now at Classic Hits KDES Palm Springs we play the long American Pie. Actually I never heard of the short one here on the west coast until we added a standard station (KWXY) here and the short one is played there. Regarding Light my fire sadly we play the short one at KDES. I have often during the 16 years I have been on KDES get calls for the long one. I played it once while doing morning drive for the vacationing PD. Got a hot line call from him saying if I ever played it again he would fire me ! I have complied and actually it is just about the only thing we don't agree on. I have never heard anyone say they like the short version of that better than the long one tho.

When you were at the San Bernadino station did a young kid approach with a promo titled "Reach Out To Find Me/Read My Thoughts " on Ranwood........A 20 yr old Sammy Hagar ?