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Alt 92.3 to Become WINS Simulcast

CTListener said:
There are exceptions to everything, of course, but historically there's been far, far less black affinity for rock (or country or classical) music than there's been white affinity for genres generally considered "black." The story of the white kid in suburbia hiding the transistor radio under the pillow to hear a distant R&B station at night in the '60s is a familiar one. Nobody talks about the black kid in the inner city doing the same thing to listen to distant pop or MOR or country station, not because there weren't any but because it was highly unusual back then. Black interest in those genres continues to be minimal to this day. White interest in "black music" continues to grow.
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Nobody hears about the reverse story since it does not serve a narrative made popular only because it was specifically chosen that way.

I know of many diverse artists and listeners to the format. You won't hear about them since racists and people that stoke division for profit are in charge.

The false narrative of division in the most diverse region on the planet is ridiculous as some of the comments in this thread slamming Country as racist and only Rhythmic or Latin, Middle Eastern or Asian formats are all that should exist here.

White interest in "black music" continues to grow since that is mostly what is marketed to them given the orchestrated exclusion of all else. I suspect if Chinese pop was marketed to them, given enough time it would continue to grow to.
 
MVB13 said:
News failed a decade ago on FM.
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KCBS would argue with you about that... as would KNX based on recent ratings. And KYW. And WBBM.
 
mikerock said:
There are more people indigenous to the region than Asian and Middle Eastern populations. You do not abandon the indigenous population here to play Chinese or Middle Eastern pop or for Rhythmic which is already well represented.


Saying Country is racist because of one artist is ridiculous. By your metric the Urban formats are racist because they lack diversity.


It does not need to change nor does any of the Urban or Latino-Spanish language formats to make them more diverse. By your metric also these formats would be considered racist since they lack diversity.
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I'd you understood history at all you'd realize that blacks and other minority groups were shunned hence why they needed outlets of their own. It's still happening today.
 
wibgradio99 said:
there are 3 or 4 urban stations with dismal ratings, one can take the format and do it right, but is it taboo to flip an urban format for fear of protests...notice a country and rock station bit the dust, the country with better ratings then the urbans.....
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Audacy only owns 3 full-market FM signals in New York: Alt 92.3, WCBS-FM, and WFAN-FM. None of them air an urban format, so this is totally irrelevant.
 
mikerock said:
There are more people indigenous to the region than Asian and Middle Eastern populations. You do not abandon the indigenous population here to play Chinese or Middle Eastern pop or for Rhythmic which is already well represented.
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But we see over and over that markets acquire a flavor based on the dominant music forms among youth and young adults. A good example is Miami, where the Hispanic influence as early as the 70's made the whole market much more rhythmic and a hard market for any rock format to do well in.
mikerock said:
Saying Country is racist because of one artist is ridiculous. By your metric the Urban formats are racist because they lack diversity.
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I did not say that about country; I responded to a post that made that claim. I commented on the fact that country is a non-Hispanic white format. There is no way it can keep its core appeal and also attract Hispanics and Blacks.
mikerock said:
It does not need to change nor does any of the Urban or Latino-Spanish language formats to make them more diverse. By your metric also these formats would be considered racist since they lack diversity.
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I did not say that. Reread the thread. I made comments to a person who claimed that some format were racist because the did not have universal appeal.
 
wibgradio99 said:
What happened to the Italian Americans who created NYC
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Actually, it was the Dutch that colonized the European settlements after scamming the Native Americans to take possession of the rock in the river.
wibgradio99 said:
|and were the largest ethnic there and you cannot hear one Sfera Ebbasta, Ghali, Capo Plaza, Rocco Hunt, Clementino, Emis Killa, Lazza and to many more to mention...lol
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Actually (to use that word again) the Brits and the Irish came way ahead of the Italians. The Potato Famine in Ireland around the 1820's and 1830's drove nearly a quarter of the population of Ireland to the US and many to NYC.

Boss Tweed mobilized the Irish and created the Tammany Hall dynasty that ran NYC for decades in the post-Civil War ear. Italians did not start arriving in large numbers until late in the 19th Century.
 
DavidEduardo said:
But we see over and over that markets acquire a flavor based on the dominant music forms among youth and young adults. A good example is Miami, where the Hispanic influence as early as the 70's made the whole market much more rhythmic and a hard market for any rock format to do well in.

I did not say that about country; I responded to a post that made that claim. I commented on the fact that country is a non-Hispanic white format. There is no way it can keep its core appeal and also attract Hispanics and Blacks.

I did not say that. Reread the thread. I made comments to a person who claimed that some format were racist because the did not have universal appeal.
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So in other words as a business decision they are all trying to appeal to the same dominant demographic for Ad dollars.

A pot that would be diluted if every station is chasing the same demographic. Do you believe Ad dollars would be any less in appealing to the large suburban populations of a different demographic that have format holes?
 
mikerock said:
So in other words as a business decision they are all trying to appeal to the same dominant demographic for Ad dollars.
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Yes, radio tries to appeal to audiences that advertisers wish to reach. Our business is advertising, our product is "ears".
mikerock said:
A pot that would be diluted if every station is chasing the same demographic. Do you believe Ad dollars would be any less in appealing to the large suburban populations of a different demographic that have format holes?
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Advertisers almost exclusively want people between 18 and 55. There are many kinds of programming, both talk and music, that appeal within those limits. Not all the possible formats are big enough to get on ad buys, so we find that certain formats predominate.

But within a broad format such as "urban" we see one Churban station, one Urban, one Urban AC and one Urban Gold station as well as a Black talk station. In general, there is not a lot of format duplication since "overlap" of songs is not the same thing.
 
I’m amazed the WINS and WCBS staffs weren’t combined a long time ago.

Not being able to listen to WINS OTA [and no, I'm not going to listen online], I have heard that WCBS was more of a "headline" type news style while WINS was more of a detailed/longer length type of news broadcasts. True, or am I mistaken.
 
Why did they feed a failing station to the entire country then?! Every night a year or so ago for 12 hours, the entire country got a feed of that station.
 
mets18 said:
Ok, I wasn't aware of the definition of a full market signal. It's a class B FM a few miles away from Manhattan and it counts against market caps.
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"Full Market" means "coverage of the whole metro survey area" and that station does not meet the criteria.
 
mets18 said:
Ok, I wasn't aware of the definition of a full market signal. It's a class B FM a few miles away from Manhattan and it counts against market caps.
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So does an AM daytimer in a suburb. But for market-wide program strategy, a deficient signal is a major disadvantage.
 
Yabadabado1 said:
I’m amazed the WINS and WCBS staffs weren’t combined a long time ago.

Not being able to listen to WINS OTA [and no, I'm not going to listen online], I have heard that WCBS was more of a "headline" type news style while WINS was more of a detailed/longer length type of news broadcasts. True, or am I mistaken.
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The opposite, actually. WCBS is more detailed/longer length, WINS is more headline-ish in nature.
 
Yabadabado1 said:
I’m amazed the WINS and WCBS staffs weren’t combined a long time ago.

Not being able to listen to WINS OTA [and no, I'm not going to listen online], I have heard that WCBS was more of a "headline" type news style while WINS was more of a detailed/longer length type of news broadcasts. True, or am I mistaken.
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There are style differences, but the real difference is in coverage. WINS is not good at the western suburbs in Jersey, but puts a huge directional signal over Manhattan. WCBS covers the whole market in all directions and is best for the suburbs.
 
tall_guy1 said:
Why did they feed a failing station to the entire country then?! Every night a year or so ago for 12 hours, the entire country got a feed of that station.
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This was the direct result of the Covid-19 pandemic. They had to put something on their existing Alt stations, most of which were bleeding money during the Covid lockdowns and slightly afterwards. They picked WNYL, probably because that's the station directly overseen by their VP of Alt programming.
 
tall_guy1 said:
Why did they feed a failing station to the entire country then?! Every night a year or so ago for 12 hours, the entire country got a feed of that station.
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To save money during the pandemic. It wasn't the "entire country." Just the alternative stations owned by Audacy. I think some of it was regional too, for the time zone differences.
 
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