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AM Band - 50kW - HD only (MA3) stations?

Until the current fringe groups currently buying time run out of money. A topic of recent interest on SW forums is that The Overcomer Ministry (the deceased Brother Stair) has made some significant cuts to its SW output. With Ralph Stair now gone the money may no longer be flowing in.

Another consideration: Some of the people who own U.S. domestic shortwave stations are starting to get up there in age. Is there a new generation of owners willing to take on such operations? Note that WHRI has been off the air for almost two years while searching for a buyer (the FCC killed Allan Weiner's purchase attempt by not acting on it...questions about who would "really" be in control.)

TWR still has a significant shortwave presence from its operations in Eswatini (the former Swaziland) as well as Guam and various leased sites.

The only HCJB presence in Ecuador is the 1kw shortwave transmitter on 6050 kHz (broadcasting in Spanish and various indigenous languages) along with the local FM in Quito. It appears the long time AM in Quito is gone. Haven't researched whether they have local FM in other Ecuadorian cities.

HCJB Global has been renamed Reach Beyond, and its SW operation in Kununurra, Western Australia targets South and Southeast Asia in various languages. There are also broadcasts in Japanese and Korean. China is not a target.

More info on Reach Beyond Australia here: Welcome to Reach Beyond in Australia - Reach Beyond Australia

And RBA schedules can be found here: On Air - Reach Beyond Australia
There are already questions over who is "really" in control of WBCQ. Is it the U.S. citizen Allan Weiner (which would be fine) or is it the foreign-owned World's Last Chance, who have funded all the developments at the station over the past few years (and would likely have been the cash behind any purchase of WHRI)? If World's Last Chance call the shots, isn't that a violation of FCC rules around foreign control of a domestic radio station?
 
I turned in a license for a commercial SW station about 55 years ago as I thought it to be non-viable. Who the heck has SW capable radios today?
I have one in my closet ( I haven't used it in at least 15 years) ...I recently fired it up and discovered it doesn't work anymore. I'm surprised that a Sangean product wouldn't last longer. So I put it back in the closet...
 
As long as flat earthers, militia groups, white supremacists and religious organizations who fundraise by saying "look where your money goes..." continue to purchase time on domestic SW, these stations will be around. Despite the FCC rule to the contrary, most programming coming from US private SW stations are directed at a US audience.
I think they only have to demonstrate that the signal can be received beyond the U.S. and the minimum power must still be at least 50 kW. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I think the program targeting rule only really applied to the VOA.
 
I think they only have to demonstrate that the signal can be received beyond the U.S. and the minimum power must still be at least 50 kW. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong but I think the program targeting rule only really applied to the VOA.
They only have to indicate ITU zones outside of the CONUS, even if it is just Canada or Mexico.
 
DRM is a solution to a non-existent problem. It sounds cool (I've seen examples of it on YT vids), but really, anyone who is listening to SW in the third world is listening on an older radio, probably.

DRM is sort of like HD radio here in the US -- cool tech, but how many actually listen to HD2s and HD3s? Maybe the same number that DX FM and AM? Are there really enough listeners to really support the technology?

HD radios are affordable. I got mine for around $75 or so. It's cool, but who's going to buy one that isn't already a radio aficionado? The time for HD Radios to flood the market was 2006, not 2022. But they were too expensive back then for your average listener to fork out the money, especially when the HD couldn't be picked up inside the store.

Now in cars, maybe it was a different story.

As for the OPs question, give it another 15-20 years. There may be a couple 50KW stations that go HD to try to survive. I doubt it will save them, though, because by then 5G will make OTA radio mostly redundant.
 
DRM is a solution to a non-existent problem. It sounds cool (I've seen examples of it on YT vids), but really, anyone who is listening to SW in the third world is listening on an older radio, probably.

DRM is sort of like HD radio here in the US -- cool tech, but how many actually listen to HD2s and HD3s? Maybe the same number that DX FM and AM? Are there really enough listeners to really support the technology?

HD radios are affordable. I got mine for around $75 or so. It's cool, but who's going to buy one that isn't already a radio aficionado? The time for HD Radios to flood the market was 2006, not 2022. But they were too expensive back then for your average listener to fork out the money, especially when the HD couldn't be picked up inside the store.

Now in cars, maybe it was a different story.

As for the OPs question, give it another 15-20 years. There may be a couple 50KW stations that go HD to try to survive. I doubt it will save them, though, because by then 5G will make OTA radio mostly redundant.
You are generally right on all points...but remember radio is free...the internet requires a sub.
 
True, but even today if you have a decent cell phone plan you can get some free streaming channels (with commercials included). You're mainly paying for the cell connection. That's the future of "radio".
 
DRM is a solution to a non-existent problem. It sounds cool (I've seen examples of it on YT vids), but really, anyone who is listening to SW in the third world is listening on an older radio, probably.

DRM is sort of like HD radio here in the US -- cool tech, but how many actually listen to HD2s and HD3s? Maybe the same number that DX FM and AM? Are there really enough listeners to really support the technology?

HD radios are affordable. I got mine for around $75 or so. It's cool, but who's going to buy one that isn't already a radio aficionado? The time for HD Radios to flood the market was 2006, not 2022. But they were too expensive back then for your average listener to fork out the money, especially when the HD couldn't be picked up inside the store.

Now in cars, maybe it was a different story.

As for the OPs question, give it another 15-20 years. There may be a couple 50KW stations that go HD to try to survive. I doubt it will save them, though, because by then 5G will make OTA radio mostly redundant.

Not many people listen to the HD2/HD3/HD4 stations. But I feel like it is more of a bad implementation problem than a lack of interest in those channels. People don't know they exist and they are not easy to get to. If HD Radio had been implemented as more of a directory interface, where all HD stations (including AM) were listed in a channel listing like XM or DAB, I think things would have turned out differently. They could have even done it like Digital TV, where you scan for stations and build a list, which can self-update over time. There should be minimal interaction required from the listener.

Maybe some HD radios do function like this, but I have never seen one. And having to flip through the analog dial, wait to have it pick up HD 1, then switch to HD2/3/4 is tedious. Sure you can have presets, but is not as fluid as it could be.
 
True, but even today if you have a decent cell phone plan you can get some free streaming channels (with commercials included). You're mainly paying for the cell connection. That's the future of "radio".
Trust me streaming is not all that it's cracked up to be. I try streaming occasionally in the car and switching from tower to tower or switching from one MSA to another MSA causes issues. My work phone which is on First Net, often will quit when it switches off to LTE provider. A royal PITA do have to restart the stream while driving.
 
Trust me streaming is not all that it's cracked up to be. I try streaming occasionally in the car and switching from tower to tower or switching from one MSA to another MSA causes issues.
My experience doesn't match yours. I use T-Mobile, and their service rarely drops a stream, even when I'm way out of town.
 
I haven't had any issues with cellular reception for streaming in the car. But my car has very poor integration with smartphones and I have found some apps crash frequently. A couple weeks ago I finally got fed up with fighting with my phone in the car and subscribed to SiriusXM (got the 5 year for $150 promotion). The price is worth having less distractions to worry about while driving.
 
Not many people listen to the HD2/HD3/HD4 stations. But I feel like it is more of a bad implementation problem than a lack of interest in those channels. People don't know they exist and they are not easy to get to. If HD Radio had been implemented as more of a directory interface, where all HD stations (including AM) were listed in a channel listing like XM or DAB, I think things would have turned out differently. They could have even done it like Digital TV, where you scan for stations and build a list, which can self-update over time. There should be minimal interaction required from the listener.

Maybe some HD radios do function like this, but I have never seen one. And having to flip through the analog dial, wait to have it pick up HD 1, then switch to HD2/3/4 is tedious. Sure you can have presets, but is not as fluid as it could be.
I have a Sangean HDR-16, and on the FM band, you tune to the 'analog' FM station, and if they're running HD, it switches to HD fairly quickly, and you can hear the difference within a second or two. Then you tune upwards through the HD2 / HD3 etc.

Seems clunky perhaps, but it's more intuitive than trying to eliminate a "Tik Tok is waiting for you!" dialog box plastered on the front screen of your Android phone that won't go away, and takes a heck of a lot more scrolling, button pressing etc. to deal with than tuning into an HD2.
 
I have a Sangean HDR-16, and on the FM band, you tune to the 'analog' FM station, and if they're running HD, it switches to HD fairly quickly, and you can hear the difference within a second or two. Then you tune upwards through the HD2 / HD3 etc.

Seems clunky perhaps, but it's more intuitive than trying to eliminate a "Tik Tok is waiting for you!" dialog box plastered on the front screen of your Android phone that won't go away, and takes a heck of a lot more scrolling, button pressing etc. to deal with than tuning into an HD2.
While it isn't difficult, it still requires more effort than it should. Especially when people don't know there are sub-channels they can tune to. And people are not really in the habit of flipping through stations anymore. I don't know why it has never been improved after all these years. All I can figure is that Ibiquity just doesn't care at all anymore. They are just collecting their fees until all the car manufactures stop including HD Radios.
 
There's still too many non-HD radios out there. And HD is a closed system so you won't see an el cheapo "HD" radio at Dollar General anytime soon.

As for listening on a phone, radio is still the way to go. In a big emergency cell networks can go down and phones suck at audio too.
 
The best way to broadcast internationally would be to have the ITU approve an international satellite broadcast band that would be FTA and would not require licensing in each country that it covers.
 
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