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iyiyi said:
Why would CC continue to spend millions on developing HD radio and more millions devising formats for the HDs if HD is such a dog?

Because large corporations have a very difficult time admitting such a colossal mistake, which would mean scrapping millions of dollars worth of equipment and squandering millions of man-hours of wasted effort...not to mention, of course, the millions of dollars in licensing fees paid to iBiquity for this turkey.
 
dumber than a box of hair said:
iyiyi said:
Why would CC continue to spend millions on developing HD radio and more millions devising formats for the HDs if HD is such a dog?

Because large corporations have a very difficult time admitting such a colossal mistake, which would mean scrapping millions of dollars worth of equipment and squandering millions of man-hours of wasted effort...not to mention, of course, the millions of dollars in licensing fees paid to iBiquity for this turkey.

You obviously know no millionares. I've never met a legitimately wealthy individual who thinks like that. Let alone a LLC interested only in a bottom line. These people know what they are doing and will succeed.

Digital radio will hit the deck running fast and hard! Be prepared! Things can change quickly!


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iyiyi said:
Digital radio will hit the deck running fast and hard! Be prepared! Things can change quickly!

I already know people who are carefully choosing new cars based on whether they can defeat the HD function. The problem is, it doesn't work very well. When it does work, it can sound worse than analog FM. In populated areas, where stations are short-spaced the use of HD deprives listeners of more choices than it provides via HD-2's. We're talking similar situations, in a moving vehicle. Remember, most of today's space-diversity car radios deliver full quieting FM signals way outside a station's protected contours. Typically double the distance from the transmitter.

It would be a very good thing for radio if HD were just allowed to die, but there are still proponents who will say "but it's digital". Yes, my 256-color monitor on my 286 PC was digital too. But at that time I used to appreciate a print photograph better. Between the interference, the mediocre sound quality, and the modulation inefficiency (HD is measured in hertz per bit, other schemes are measured in bits per hertz) it's just not a very good system.

The concept of an all-digital world (turning off analog) is even more outlandish. If you look at the Ibiquity spec, an all-digital signal occupies 400 KHz of bandwidth. It would require a complete re-allocation of the FM band to avoid interference. In the adjacent TV channel analogy above, that would be like channel 31 and 32 both occupying 12 MHz and overlapping 3 MHz into each other. Ain't gonna work.

Dave B.
 
iyiyi said:
You obviously know no millionares. I've never met a legitimately wealthy individual who thinks like that. Let alone a LLC interested only in a bottom line. These people know what they are doing and will succeed.

Digital radio will hit the deck running fast and hard! Be prepared! Things can change quickly!

I know several millionaires, and the ones who actually run companies (as opposed to merely living off their wealth) do think like that.

As for digital radio suddenly taking off: They've had almost ten years to do so and it hasn't happened. Meanwhile, they and their licensees have managed to burn through billions of dollars with virtually no ROI. That's not a sustainable business model.
 
If HD takes off or not, it will take another decade to find out. I got my start on the FM part of a AM / FM combo in 1970 because the ownership at that time felt "nobody listened to FM" and they had to have somebody with a FCC license to sign the transmitter log. The FM owners who stuck it during the 1960's and 1970's were rewarded in the 1980's when FM became "standard" on car radios. History does tend to repeat itself.
 
Kindly define for the rest of the class, iyiyi, who is a "legitimately wealthy individual?"

Would someone named "Farid" or "Mays" or "Mason" qualify? You know, someone who presided over the destruction of thousands of storied radio careers, while stubbornly pushing HD Radio as it wasted untold millions of dollars to no good purpose whatsoever?

HD Radio: another example of the evil collusion of government and big business.
 
Ummm, when will people figure out that digital audio is actually inferior to analog? How many cellphone calls do you get where the caller periodically sounds like he's in the mud with that ugly garbled audio that imperfect digital provides?

Yes, digital has it's uses. For example, it's fantastic to carry as much music in my phone as I used to store in a 150 pound cabinet. Though some of the tracks don't sound nearly as good as they did on vinyl, at least it is convenient.

But it is not good for everything. Look at how much flexibility was lost when we transitioned broadcast TV to digital. Yes, we got HD and it's terrific. But we lost reception of a lot of stations and we lost all of those little portable TVs that we used to keep around the house. And, most of us lost the ability to watch TV without paying cable or satellite to bring it to us. Even if you have a rooftop antenna and can get a plethora of signals, you can usually only have that on 1 TV. What about the little one in the kitchen? In our case, that one became obsolete on the sunset date.

If you think TV was bad, look at radio. Radio is, unquestionably, a mobile medium. And digital is a horrible way to transmit data to a mobile receptor. Rather than barely noticeable picket fencing, you get ugly muddy sound and/or total dropouts. There's no way to avoid that. And, you only get the stronger stations with digital. Nothing on the fringe. So, little dx under most circumstances. I know, who but us cares? But you do care when your favorite station no longer makes that trip to Aunt Bee's house with you (an hour's drive away).

There has been no way to get around this fact because it's based on the physics of signal propagation + the requirements of digital technology to decode the signal in question. So you end up with higher costs, less mobility, and fewer portable choices. It could be forced on TV because so many have cable and satellite and didn't have to do anything. But digital OTA radio would spell ruin for broadcasters. It won't take off in that form.

It WILL, however, take off in the form of streaming apps. In fact, it already is. That platform is full of promise. HD radio is not. It would be best to scrap it and to concentrate on in-car streaming. That's where the millionaires should be. Not at Ibiquity, which will someday make Solyndra look like a solid investment.
 
History can repeat itself, but not inevitably so. Each scenario is unique. The comparison of the rollout of FM and HD has been exhaustively argued - and thoroughly debunked.

As far as CC's investment in "programming for HD," most of what they're developing is also implemented for iheartradio and web programming. The smart guys, including CC, are pursuing parallel distribution paths for content development. The transmission platform is of incidental importance.
 
BRNout said:
Ummm, when will people figure out that digital audio is actually inferior to analog? How many cellphone calls do you get where the caller periodically sounds like he's in the mud with that ugly garbled audio that imperfect digital provides?

Yes, digital has it's uses. For example, it's fantastic to carry as much music in my phone as I used to store in a 150 pound cabinet. Though some of the tracks don't sound nearly as good as they did on vinyl, at least it is convenient.

But it is not good for everything. Look at how much flexibility was lost when we transitioned broadcast TV to digital. Yes, we got HD and it's terrific. But we lost reception of a lot of stations and we lost all of those little portable TVs that we used to keep around the house. And, most of us lost the ability to watch TV without paying cable or satellite to bring it to us. Even if you have a rooftop antenna and can get a plethora of signals, you can usually only have that on 1 TV. What about the little one in the kitchen? In our case, that one became obsolete on the sunset date.

If you think TV was bad, look at radio. Radio is, unquestionably, a mobile medium. And digital is a horrible way to transmit data to a mobile receptor. Rather than barely noticeable picket fencing, you get ugly muddy sound and/or total dropouts. There's no way to avoid that. And, you only get the stronger stations with digital. Nothing on the fringe. So, little dx under most circumstances. I know, who but us cares? But you do care when your favorite station no longer makes that trip to Aunt Bee's house with you (an hour's drive away).

There has been no way to get around this fact because it's based on the physics of signal propagation + the requirements of digital technology to decode the signal in question. So you end up with higher costs, less mobility, and fewer portable choices. It could be forced on TV because so many have cable and satellite and didn't have to do anything. But digital OTA radio would spell ruin for broadcasters. It won't take off in that form.

It WILL, however, take off in the form of streaming apps. In fact, it already is. That platform is full of promise. HD radio is not. It would be best to scrap it and to concentrate on in-car streaming. That's where the millionaires should be. Not at Ibiquity, which will someday make Solyndra look like a solid investment.

But in every case, digital has been given only a fraction of power that the comparable analog signal got. During the DTV transition many stations switched to signals with a lot less ERP on the same channel or they moved to UHF which seems to work better for DTV but distance is limited. In the case of FM, HD Radio has to be one of the worst implementations of digital. It uses a small fraction of the analog signal's power and if there is another station interfering on the side bands, it makes things even worse.

In order for us to really know if radio could be digital, I'd like to see a digital only station that uses no sidebands tested against the range of its analog signal, both with the same ERP. The problem with radio is that many people use it while driving. So that little bit of static when you drive under a bridge, etc causes a digital signal to go completely silent until it can re-buffer. At least with DTV we get a picture that was better in quality than analog. With HD Radio the audio sounds worse, especially with subchannels. RDS can already bring us the text data that HD can, without the interference.
 
secondchoice said:
If HD takes off or not, it will take another decade to find out. I got my start on the FM part of a AM / FM combo in 1970 because the ownership at that time felt "nobody listened to FM" and they had to have somebody with a FCC license to sign the transmitter log. The FM owners who stuck it during the 1960's and 1970's were rewarded in the 1980's when FM became "standard" on car radios. History does tend to repeat itself.

HD doesn't have ten more years. Technology does not progress the way it did 30 or 40 years ago...it moves far faster now. Companies also don't wait 20 years for a technology with zero ROI to start producing some.
 
Savage said:
History can repeat itself, but not inevitably so. Each scenario is unique. The comparison of the rollout of FM and HD has been exhaustively argued - and thoroughly debunked.

As far as CC's investment in "programming for HD," most of what they're developing is also implemented for iheartradio and web programming. The smart guys, including CC, are pursuing parallel distribution paths for content development. The transmission platform is of incidental importance.


Eggzackately wut I been sayin'. CC is genius with the synergy and feedback iheartradio and related web programming provides their HDs. By supplying the very latest, up to datest trends and information gleaned from those tools, CC has been developing some spiffy -- tuned into today's lifestyle -- HD formats lately. You might try listening to a few of their HDs with your ears instead of your mouth. Very true is your statement: "The xmsn platform is of incidental importance.". So why am I made to infer that listening to Alt Project off of iheartradio or the web is cool; but I'm a jerk if I listen to Alt Project on the HD 2 of my local FM? The future is here, Pal.

Meanwhile, clowns are screaming about digital radio being dead and WI-FI is tomorrow's savior; as if WI-FI were not also digital radio and vulnerable to the same afflictions as the HDs are. "The Corn Flakes that the Malmart in Boston sells are much better than the ones sold by the Malmart in Manchester."...

FM had a tough go from the start. Everything from incompatible infrastructure (low power, low antenna heights, horizontal polarization, xmtrs with insufficient bandwidth for stereo...) to extremely low FM receiver market penetration, poor receiver sensitivity/selectivity and exhorbitant cost for receivers. Maybe we should not forget that quality stereo recordings were relatively rare throughout most of the '60s.

The biggest obstacle FM had to overcome -- by a country mile -- was incredibly poor public perception of FM in general. The first exposure to FM for many people was the radio in the waiting room of dentists. Folk equated FM with Muzak and root canals. Took a while to shake that mindset, let me tell you!

HD's main problem is half-assed marketing strategy. They launched the damned thing before getting their ducks in a row. Hopefully iheartradio and other web ventures will build HD as the people learn that the format they love can be heard anywhere. On the radio instead of being tethered to a computer. HD does not have the negative connotation in the public eye and stigma that FM started with. The John Q Publics don't even know HD radio exists because it is (to them) esoteric mumbo jumbo. When they realize what choices HD offers over analog, HD radios will start flying off of store shelves.

Television stations ran 2 transmitters each for a decade. One transmitter was analog signal on one channel. The other transmitter ran digital on separate channel. This gave them plenty of opportunity to dick with their signals and get things right. Yet when analog tv finally sunset, many stations suddenly had a first-water epiphany that their digital tv signals sucked. A number of stations scurried for FCC approval to return to UHF and many more applied for sizeable power increases very quickly!

HD radio doesn't have the luxury of 2 separate channels to work with. They had to bootstrap themselves into engineering and programming evolution by literally draping their QAM signal around their analog signal. Regardless, get used to the fact that HD is here to stay...


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iyiyi said:
Regardless, get used to the fact that HD is here to stay...

With all due respect, that is absolute nonsense. HD Radio is a 1990s answer to a 2010's issue. It's time passed long ago. Why such little interest? Because there's not enough value there on the consumer side. An increasingly high percentage of the public has a smartphone and almost everyone has a computer. That's where the future lies. And for every deal that Bob Applehead Strudel touts about HD Radio availability in the top-of-the-line Limited package of a certain car brand (only available with the Rally Fun Pack), there are twenty deals like Toyota's with Clear Channel to include the iHeartRadio app.

Wi Fi is where digital entertainment's future is, the infrastructure is there and it's what the marketplace is screaming that they want. Yes, iyiyi, listen to the marketplace. It wants smartphones with wifi and streaming. It doesn't have any interest whatsoever in HD Radio. None. It's been 10 years and.....nothing. Comparisons with FM are ludicrous. Seriously. Our society is so different today than it was in 1963 when it comes to the adoption of new technology that it might as well be a different planet.

A better product to look at would be the cellphone. Look how quickly people have adopted the 'smartphone' concept and binned the old flip phone. If HD Radio had a prayer, there would have been a similar stampede. Instead, even the crickets are too bored to chirp.

HD Radio is a marketplace flop. Accept it so that you can get over it and move on to something with a future.
 
iyiyi said:
HD's main problem is half-assed marketing strategy.

Television stations ran 2 transmitters each for a decade. One transmitter was analog signal on one channel. The other transmitter ran digital on separate channel. This gave them plenty of opportunity to dick with their signals and get things right. Yet when analog tv finally sunset, many stations suddenly had a first-water epiphany that their digital tv signals sucked. A number of stations scurried for FCC approval to return to UHF and many more applied for sizeable power increases very quickly!

HD radio doesn't have the luxury of 2 separate channels to work with. They had to bootstrap themselves into engineering and programming evolution by literally draping their QAM signal around their analog signal. Regardless, get used to the fact that HD is here to stay...

HD's main problem is that it was a solution to a problem that didn't exist. FM sound is sufficiently good it did not need an upgrade. Contrast that with the digital TV situation - The problems with NTSC television were well documented - all it took was a consumer looking at an HD TV in a store, and they were hooked on the increase in quality the moment they could afford one. But the improvement to FM sound requires a top end stereo system to detect - yet the era of home audiophile tinkerers has passed decades ago. Now people go out, buy a sound system, expect it to configure itself automatically and preferably wirelessly with minimal hassle of connecting wires, etc. If they have a good sound system at all - it is now in the media room to play Blu-Ray audio. The FM section of the receiver is never even turned on - let alone AM. It is lost in a sea of remote control options for DVR, cable box, Blu Ray, video game, and maybe an old VHS.

Bottom line is that HDTV was a big improvement immediately visible and apparent. HD radio noise floor decrease is not noticable on a table radio or typical audio system. And that advantage is lost completely if there happens to be an HD-2.

HD-2 would have been compelling - if there were some sort of creativity and thought given to providing formats not available locally. There is some of that going on, but not compelling enough to consumers. The niche formats are already probably on their iPods, CD, and album collections - or are being streamed. There are so many options the radio monopoly that existed 40 years ago is completely broken. And the quality of those audio sources is so poor most consumers are accustomed to it - so an iPhone with earbuds is the new audio standard. Listen to HD radio through earbuds and you will never hear the difference anyway. So all those HD-2 choices sound just as poor as streaming or an iPod - leading a consumer to shrug off digital as not really an audio upgrade.

As for extra TV digital channels - they were doomed from the start by a government that didn't mandate "must carry" rules for local digital channels. The programming wasn't on cable, which is 90% of viewing, so almost nobody knows those extra digital channels are out there. It is the same with HD radio. Nobody knows the channels are out there, because they can't hear them on their existing radio. If the technical wizs at iBiquity had come up with a way people could get the extra channels on existing radios, HD radio would, right now, be a totally different scenario - a viable revenue stream for stations and large audiences for formats previously unavailable. But - requiring people to buy a new radio, when radios are afterthoughts and commodity items - was never a viable business plan. Maybe as late as the early 1980's, but the ship sailed. Nobody bought AM stereo radios for stereo talk radio then, and nobody will buy HD radios for HD sports and talk FM now. The music crowd, maybe. But if you can't tell the difference through a 4 inch speaker, and you are unaware of the HD-2 channel, and the radio costs $100 - forget it. Its one turkey that won't fly.

Another thing that killed HD radio is something so simple that I am surprised they didn't think of it - it needed to supplant existing SCA and other services. The sidebands a could have been neatly placed inside the existing channel, and the gain / bandwidth product of the receiver would have produced much more robust reception. But by being afraid to obsolete SCA, RDS, reading for the deaf, etc - all things that can be done better on HD radio anyway - they forced the sidebands outside the channel, where the receiver has trouble amplifying such a large bandwidth with low noise - hence poor HD coverage. It doesn't help that there are stations on first adjacents in a lot of areas - if it is one thing the AM HD debacle has shown - HD sidebands cannot have any interference riding on them, because the receiver can't lock onto them. Forget for a moment all the DX'ers and their concerns - there are plenty of good technical reasons why having the HD sidebands outside the channel was a BAD idea right from the start.

The only way HD is here to stay is intertia. Too many people with too big of egos to admit failure, and willing to plow even more money into the white elephant in the forlorn hope the public will all of the sudden latch onto digital radio as the "next big thing". Ain't gonna happen. You will have a hundred AM stations and 2000 FM stations holding on and holding on, then over the years slowly turning it off one station at a time because the ROI isn't there. There will be hold outs maybe for decades as a few devotees cling to it - just like AM stereo devotees do now. But its over. Walking zombie. The fat lady sang years ago. Those with a lot of money invested are too stubborn to admit defeat.

I like HD radio. I own two tuners. I'd listen to HD-2 - if I could. But HOA's prohibit outdoor antennas in subdivisions, and aggressively fight. HD radio - in its present form - absolutely requires an outdoor antenna. If consumers still cared about audio and were willing to bother putting up outdoor antennas, the HOA's won't let them. Another area where the HD radio people needed to act. Satellite TV got FCC protection, the moment it was clear that there were reception problem the HD alliance should have sprung into action to ward off the HOA's. They didn't. Their approach - exasperate an already bad system by requiring massive power increases and upgrades at stations, trying to pump more and more signal into worse and worse home (and auto and office) antennas. Maybe - narrower bandwidth, combined with compelling HD-2 formats, combined with fighting for the rights of consumers to put up antennas, or a system that didn't require new radios, or at least a system that would work with a cheap adaptor like they had for TV, and the HD experience would have worked. But too much was working against it. HD radio needed the techies and DX'ers - instead they alienated them and marginalized them. They needed compelling formats. They left those to satellite and streaming. They needed a robust system. They introduced one that was too broadband to avoid offending 0.01% of subchannel users. They needed quality receivers, but concentrated instead on the aftermarket car radios. Car radios are so integrated into the car today that strategy was stupid. Nobody wanted to "upgrade" a car radio and lose dash controls, rear seat controls, etc. They wanted car DVDs instead of HD radios. So many little mistakes - so consistently arrogant strategies - and the biggest flop since New Coke, Cue Cats, Microsoft Bob, PC Junior, etc. Market research has everything to do with giving people the solution to a problem they have, or giving them something they want. It has noting to do with the egos of executives and people who want a product to succeed.
 
iyiyi said:
Savage said:
History can repeat itself, but not inevitably so. Each scenario is unique. The comparison of the rollout of FM and HD has been exhaustively argued - and thoroughly debunked.

As far as CC's investment in "programming for HD," most of what they're developing is also implemented for iheartradio and web programming. The smart guys, including CC, are pursuing parallel distribution paths for content development. The transmission platform is of incidental importance.


Eggzackately wut I been sayin'. CC is genius with the synergy and feedback iheartradio and related web programming provides their HDs. By supplying the very latest, up to datest trends and information gleaned from those tools, CC has been developing some spiffy -- tuned into today's lifestyle -- HD formats lately. You might try listening to a few of their HDs with your ears instead of your mouth. Very true is your statement: "The xmsn platform is of incidental importance.". So why am I made to infer that listening to Alt Project off of iheartradio or the web is cool; but I'm a jerk if I listen to Alt Project on the HD 2 of my local FM? The future is here, Pal.

Meanwhile, clowns are screaming about digital radio being dead and WI-FI is tomorrow's savior; as if WI-FI were not also digital radio and vulnerable to the same afflictions as the HDs are. "The Corn Flakes that the Malmart in Boston sells are much better than the ones sold by the Malmart in Manchester."...

FM had a tough go from the start. Everything from incompatible infrastructure (low power, low antenna heights, horizontal polarization, xmtrs with insufficient bandwidth for stereo...) to extremely low FM receiver market penetration, poor receiver sensitivity/selectivity and exhorbitant cost for receivers. Maybe we should not forget that quality stereo recordings were relatively rare throughout most of the '60s.

The biggest obstacle FM had to overcome -- by a country mile -- was incredibly poor public perception of FM in general. The first exposure to FM for many people was the radio in the waiting room of dentists. Folk equated FM with Muzak and root canals. Took a while to shake that mindset, let me tell you!

HD's main problem is half-assed marketing strategy. They launched the damned thing before getting their ducks in a row. Hopefully iheartradio and other web ventures will build HD as the people learn that the format they love can be heard anywhere. On the radio instead of being tethered to a computer. HD does not have the negative connotation in the public eye and stigma that FM started with. The John Q Publics don't even know HD radio exists because it is (to them) esoteric mumbo jumbo. When they realize what choices HD offers over analog, HD radios will start flying off of store shelves.

Television stations ran 2 transmitters each for a decade. One transmitter was analog signal on one channel. The other transmitter ran digital on separate channel. This gave them plenty of opportunity to dick with their signals and get things right. Yet when analog tv finally sunset, many stations suddenly had a first-water epiphany that their digital tv signals sucked. A number of stations scurried for FCC approval to return to UHF and many more applied for sizeable power increases very quickly!

HD radio doesn't have the luxury of 2 separate channels to work with. They had to bootstrap themselves into engineering and programming evolution by literally draping their QAM signal around their analog signal. Regardless, get used to the fact that HD is here to stay...


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The clowns you refer to are generally highly experienced and qualified broadcast engineers, some of whom, such as myself, tried to tell the suits they were about to waste a lot of money for something that wasn't going to work. I believe I've been proven correct in my assessment.

Don't have anything better to do with your time these days Mr. Hogan?
 
rbrucecarter5 said:
As for extra TV digital channels - they were doomed from the start by a government that didn't mandate "must carry" rules for local digital channels. The programming wasn't on cable, which is 90% of viewing, so almost nobody knows those extra digital channels are out there.

They're hardly doomed. I don't know why this isn't the case where you are, but all the cable headends here carry subchannels to one degree or another. Everyone carries MeTV, PBS Create, V-me, PBS World, etc, and some carry more niche channels than that. I think all carry our local station's weather channels, as well.

The only ones not picking up the subchannels are the satellite providers.

rbrucecarter5 said:
But by being afraid to obsolete SCA, RDS, reading for the deaf, etc - all things that can be done better on HD radio anyway - they forced the sidebands outside the channel, where the receiver has trouble amplifying such a large bandwidth with low noise - hence poor HD coverage.

That's a trade-off, dealing with legacy bits of broadcasting. But even if HD disrespected RDS, SCA and the stereo carrier it would still fall well outside the main channel because it was designed that way from the get go. But as I understand it (note: I'm not an engineer) the HD stream can use the space where SCA and RDS and the stereo carrier would be for a few extra bits and it adds very little to the overall bitstream.

rbrucecarter5 said:
But HOA's prohibit outdoor antennas in subdivisions, and aggressively fight. HD radio - in its present form - absolutely requires an outdoor antenna. If consumers still cared about audio and were willing to bother putting up outdoor antennas, the HOA's won't let them.

That's BS. Federal statute overrules all HOA rulings on dishes and antennas, regardless of their use. It doesn't matter if it's for OTA TV or radio or ham or CB, they can't deny your right to use an outdoor antenna. Anyone who tries to convince you otherwise is misinformed or a bully and needs to be shown the facts.
 
Zach said:
rbrucecarter5 said:
But HOA's prohibit outdoor antennas in subdivisions, and aggressively fight. HD radio - in its present form - absolutely requires an outdoor antenna. If consumers still cared about audio and were willing to bother putting up outdoor antennas, the HOA's won't let them.

That's BS. Federal statute overrules all HOA rulings on dishes and antennas, regardless of their use. It doesn't matter if it's for OTA TV or radio or ham or CB, they can't deny your right to use an outdoor antenna. Anyone who tries to convince you otherwise is misinformed or a bully and needs to be shown the facts.

I may be wrong on this but I believe that statute only applies to satellite and over the air TV. I know hams routinely have to fight HOA's.

http://www.ccfj.net/FCClaw.htm
 
Zach said:
That's BS. Federal statute overrules all HOA rulings on dishes and antennas, regardless of their use. It doesn't matter if it's for OTA TV or radio or ham or CB, they can't deny your right to use an outdoor antenna. Anyone who tries to convince you otherwise is misinformed or a bully and needs to be shown the facts.

My point is - most homeowners have neither the time nor the desire to fight HOA's - just so they can get HD radio. And that is even assuming they want to go to the time and expense of installing increasingly hard to find FM outdoor antennas. About the only ones the HD alliance could have counted on for support would have been DX'ers. Unfortunately, they were stupid and did everything they could to marginalize and insult DX'ers.
 
Yes - HD-mongers did everything they could to marginalize and insult ANYONE who dared to question HD, or pose any difficult questions about it. Like:

How about the adjacent-channel interference? (Only a concern for nitwit "DXers and 'hobbyests'". And owners of dorky little stations who don't really matter anyway. You know: like YOU.) What about self-interference for mobile listeners? (Not really a problem. Hey, NPR Labs, here's your bribe check...thanks for your support for HD Radio.) What about cost? (We've got easy-payment plans. Can't help with the electric bill, sorry.) What about lousy digital coverage? (Stop being a naysayer. What are you, some kind of Luddite moron?) Why do we need this thing in the first place? (Because digital is the future. Do you want Radio To Be Left Behind?? Jeez, you're stupid.)

And so forth... ::) And the few remaining HD people wonder why they haven't made any friends.
 
HD Radio would have seemed really cool if it were introduced in 1989. The 'stations between the stations' thing could have connected with consumer interest back then. However, since that time, we've collectively been introduced to the concepts of streaming audio (Pandora, etc.), satellite radio and the iPod. Each offers dozens of self-made choices at the touch of a screen. HD Radio (on FM) only offers 1, 2 or - when really stretching it thin - 3 additional choices per channel. And, too often, they're throwaways with very limited appeal. Many are just formats that were dumped there by corporate.

No matter, the offerings of HD Radio seem very paltry in comparison with what jaded consumers have come to expect. Hence, no interest. If they actually tried out an HD Radio, $1000 says there'd be even less interest. Because my above missive was made under the assumption that the consumer in question lives in a place where the digital (not HD) signal actually decodes. In the real world, there are tons of dropouts or HD-1s flipping in and out of digital. So, we'd go from a yawn of disinterest to a frown of disapproval.

This is why I called it a 1990s solution to a 2010s problem. Because there's no way that a few subchannels will make the public buy these radios. Yawn. Why spend money on an "HD Radio" when my smartphone can connect to any stream on Earth with a combination of 3 or 4 apps? When Pandora, iHeartRadio and others can design a playlist for you? When your car comes with Sirius/XM? [Yes, Sirius/XM is not without fault.....but it still offers 100s of times more content than any market's HD signals can.]

And putting this on AM needs to stop immediately. The interference is killing what remains of the band's viability. And it narrows the audio response of the host signal (which the IBOC parasite is killing) - it's absolutely true - no matter what the "HD Radio" suckups say. Listen for yourself.

Anyhow, this is why there's so little consumer interest. Lack of value.
 
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