Another Oldies Station Bites The Dust

[OldiesCat]

SD Oldies Station

Sad part for you guys is they never, EVER made a real commitment to making the format successful in S.D. Even a teriffic crew with few tools can only do so much.

That being said, IS there really a big enough format hole there? Even in the K-BEST days Oldies never was a real killer in San Diego.

Thoughts?
>
> Yes Chuck it was tossed from frenquency to frenquency. I
> started with the station back before Dave Mason even arrived
> and it was on 102.9 as KJOY. It was moved to 94.1 and was
> playing Soft AC until Dave arrived in 1999 and we switched
> to Gold Based AC until K-BEST 95 dropped oldies in 2000 and
> we picked up the format. A year later we were moved to 95.7
> and renamed KOOL and then switched to 99.3 in January 2004.
>
> It has been a pleasure to have worked with and for Dave over
> the last 6 years and the station will be missed. Dave and I
> have nothing but pride for the job we did with no real
> support from CC (all the frenquency moves, no budget to work
> with and no marketing or promotion of the station)
>
> We leave behind a huge hole in the San Diego Radio Skyline
> and hope that Oldies will return to SD airwaves in the near
> future.
>
> Long Live Oldies !!!!
>
> Phillip Gaughen (aka Dr. Phil Goode)
> KOOL 99.3 Program Coordinator
> On-Air Personality - Evenings 7pm-12am
>

 

[Phantom]

> >
> >
> > Why is it that Hispanics are so reluctant to learn the
> > language of their adopted home? We don't see this to
> > anywhere near this extent with other immigrants.
>
> Sure they do. gthe first generation seldom learns more than
> just the minimum of English... been the same with the gaelic
> speaking Irish, the germans, the Italians, the Poles, etc.
> It is the second generation that learns to be bilingual and
> the third is pretty English dominant. It has been that way
> for every significant group over the last 200 years.


When my son was younger, he played on a soccer team composed primarly of kids who were Hispanic.

During the games, you noticed the grandparents spoke almost no English -- perhaps a word of two -- but they obviously could not communicate in English.

The parents, were bilingual. But during an exciting part of the game, often yelled encouragement in Spanish as did the coaches.

The kids spoke in English to their teammates and their coaches -- and everyone else for that matter except when they spoke Spanish to their grandparents.

The generational changes were interesting to me -- someone who can speak only a handful of Spanish phrases.

My neighbor, 89 years old and a retired Air Force colonel, is a Choctaw Indian who grew up in southeastern Oklahoma. His father did not allow him to speak the Choctaw language because he felt to get ahead in the 1930s, his son must learn English. He learned some of the native language from his grandmother who spoke no English.

My question is: Why don't more Americans take the time to learn a little Spanish -- or another language -- for no other reason than the enjoyment of learning.

 

[peppertree]

This is a little off-topic, but to add to your comment, European countries insist on bilingual skills to graduate high school. They even have international schools, such as "English School" in France (or other countries) where all subjects are taught in English.

I thought is was important to learn Spanish when I was in high school and I am now conversant in Spanish and can read Spanish. It helps out often.

I would like to see "Spanish Schools" here where all subjects except English class are in Spanish. But it should be a private endeavor. I have not found the government (any government) to do anything right,and they would not do that right either, so the schools should be private.


> > >
> > >
> > > Why is it that Hispanics are so reluctant to learn the
> > > language of their adopted home? We don't see this to
> > > anywhere near this extent with other immigrants.
> >
> > Sure they do. gthe first generation seldom learns more
> than
> > just the minimum of English... been the same with the
> gaelic
> > speaking Irish, the germans, the Italians, the Poles, etc.
>
> > It is the second generation that learns to be bilingual
> and
> > the third is pretty English dominant. It has been that way
>
> > for every significant group over the last 200 years.
>
>
> When my son was younger, he played on a soccer team composed
> primarly of kids who were Hispanic.
>
> During the games, you noticed the grandparents spoke almost
> no English -- perhaps a word of two -- but they obviously
> could not communicate in English.
>
> The parents, were bilingual. But during an exciting part of
> the game, often yelled encouragement in Spanish as did the
> coaches.
>
> The kids spoke in English to their teammates and their
> coaches -- and everyone else for that matter except when
> they spoke Spanish to their grandparents.
>
> The generational changes were interesting to me -- someone
> who can speak only a handful of Spanish phrases.
>
> My neighbor, 89 years old and a retired Air Force colonel,
> is a Choctaw Indian who grew up in southeastern Oklahoma.
> His father did not allow him to speak the Choctaw language
> because he felt to get ahead in the 1930s, his son must
> learn English. He learned some of the native language from
> his grandmother who spoke no English.
>
> My question is: Why don't more Americans take the time to
> learn a little Spanish -- or another language -- for no
> other reason than the enjoyment of learning.
>
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[davideduardo]

> This is a little off-topic, but to add to your comment,
> European countries insist on bilingual skills to graduate
> high school. They even have international schools, such as
> "English School" in France (or other countries) where all
> subjects are taught in English.

My high school, in Ecuador, was totally bilingual. Some classes were given in English, some in Spanish. This sort of school is very common all over Latin America, where anyone in the middle or upper income classes sends thier children to private schools.

 

[Oldbones]

>
> My question is: Why don't more Americans take the time to
> learn a little Spanish -- or another language -- for no
> other reason than the enjoyment of learning.
>

Good question. I think that's changing...isn't a foreign language becoming a graduation requirement in many schools these days?

I took a couple years of French in high school (French-Canadians being the primary "ethnic" group in the area I grew up in, though we were taught Parisian French). Never did very well in it, but glad I took it.

 

[radiolover78]

> > This is a little off-topic, but to add to your comment,
> > European countries insist on bilingual skills to graduate
> > high school. They even have international schools, such
> as
> > "English School" in France (or other countries) where all
> > subjects are taught in English.
>
> My high school, in Ecuador, was totally bilingual. Some
> classes were given in English, some in Spanish. This sort of
> school is very common all over Latin America, where anyone
> in the middle or upper income classes sends thier children
> to private schools.
>

Isn't this the case in parts of the US? Places like California?

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[davideduardo]

> > > This is a little off-topic, but to add to your comment,
> > > European countries insist on bilingual skills to
> graduate
> > > high school. They even have international schools, such
>
> > as
> > > "English School" in France (or other countries) where
> all
> > > subjects are taught in English.
> >
> > My high school, in Ecuador, was totally bilingual. Some
> > classes were given in English, some in Spanish. This sort
> of
> > school is very common all over Latin America, where anyone
>
> > in the middle or upper income classes sends thier children
>
> > to private schools.
> >
>
> Isn't this the case in parts of the US? Places like
> California?

No. What in the US is called bilingual education simply means keeping a student in the native language until they learn, via ESL courses, enough English.

European or Latin American bilingual education starts kids in two or more languages and keeps them proficient in each from the start.
>
> Well, my high school requires I believe 3 years of a
> language. I am taking Spanish.

Bilingual schools outside the US have half the classes given in each language, starting in kindergarten.

Languages are given way to late in the US. Language learning is at its peak in late infancy and declines rapidly at the ofset of adolesence. I took 5 years of Latin and two of Greek and they did me zero good... because I was too old to retain and master them.

 

[radiolover78]

> > > > This is a little off-topic, but to add to your
> comment,
> > > > European countries insist on bilingual skills to
> > graduate
> > > > high school. They even have international schools,
> such
> >
> > > as
> > > > "English School" in France (or other countries) where
> > all
> > > > subjects are taught in English.
> > >
> > > My high school, in Ecuador, was totally bilingual. Some
> > > classes were given in English, some in Spanish. This
> sort
> > of
> > > school is very common all over Latin America, where
> anyone
> >
> > > in the middle or upper income classes sends thier
> children
> >
> > > to private schools.
> > >
> >
> > Isn't this the case in parts of the US? Places like
> > California?
>
> No. What in the US is called bilingual education simply
> means keeping a student in the native language until they
> learn, via ESL courses, enough English.
>
> European or Latin American bilingual education starts kids
> in two or more languages and keeps them proficient in each
> from the start.
> >
> > Well, my high school requires I believe 3 years of a
> > language. I am taking Spanish.
>
> Bilingual schools outside the US have half the classes given
> in each language, starting in kindergarten.
>
> Languages are given way to late in the US. Language learning
> is at its peak in late infancy and declines rapidly at the
> ofset of adolesence. I took 5 years of Latin and two of
> Greek and they did me zero good... because I was too old to
> retain and master them.
>

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[davideduardo]

> >
> > Languages are given way to late in the US. Language
> learning
> > is at its peak in late infancy and declines rapidly at the
>
> > ofset of adolesence.> >
>
> Interesting. I believe in my school district, language
> classes start in Kingergarten, but the problem is, it
> doesn't become a full blown daily class until grade 8.

THis may be why so few Americans master other languages.

Q. What is a polygolt?
A. One who speaks many languages.

Q. What is a bilingual?
A. One who speaks two languages.

Q. What is a monolingual?
A. An Ameircan.

(not intended to be anti-Amierican. Just a comment on a real fact... and I think your observation on age of instruction is part of th eissue.)

 

[peppertree]

The two things that I learned in high school that I use the most now are typing and Spanish. Probably the least used skill is algebra. And I was better in algebra than typing or Spanish.

I took 5 years of Latin and two of
> Greek and they did me zero good... because I was too old to
> retain and master them.
>
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[davideduardo]

> The two things that I learned in high school that I use the
> most now are typing and Spanish. Probably the least used
> skill is algebra. And I was better in algebra than typing or
> Spanish.

Funny... I feel the same way about typing. When I went back to college long after I had been a station owner and manager, I stayed far away from the communications school. Took sociology, cultural anthropology, English lit, Spanish lit, math, statistics, more statistics, and lots of business classes like accounting and finance and marketing. In other words, I made a real radio curriculum. Unfortunately, I got lots of credits but no degree as I did not qualify for any field! And my spelling still sucks.

Isn't it funny that the things you think will be of value... or the ones you are told are valuable... aren't.

 

[radiolover78]

> > The two things that I learned in high school that I use
> the
> > most now are typing and Spanish. Probably the least used
> > skill is algebra. And I was better in algebra than typing
> or
> > Spanish.
>
> Funny... I feel the same way about typing. When I went back
> to college long after I had been a station owner and
> manager, I stayed far away from the communications school.
> Took sociology, cultural anthropology, English lit, Spanish
> lit, math, statistics, more statistics, and lots of business
> classes like accounting and finance and marketing. In other
> words, I made a real radio curriculum. Unfortunately, I got
> lots of credits but no degree as I did not qualify for any
> field! And my spelling still sucks.
>
> Isn't it funny that the things you think will be of value...
> or the ones you are told are valuable... aren't.
>

It feels like during my school career, that I am wasting time on stuff that I just don't need to learn! Oh well, it gets my brain working and smarter, even though I am not the sharpest tool in the shed, lol.
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