Another One Bites the Dust

[CW]

If somebody can come up with a way of doing digital radio that does not jam adjacent frequencies on AM and FM, I will be among the most enthusiastic supporters. But this system does not. One of the foundations of our nation is property rights. Do what you want on your own property, but don't do it on MINE. Broadcasters get one frequency, and should stay OFF of adjacent frequencies. Do digital on FM, but do it in 200 kHz. Do digital on AM, but do it in 10 kHz. Or don't do it at all! Your personal freedom ends where your neighbor's nose begins, your property ends where your neighbor's begins, and your frequency allocation ends where the next station begins.

AM stations have NEVER operated within 10 kHz. From 1934 until NRSC-1 in 1988, AM stations were allowed to transmit
15 Khz audio. That's 30 KHz , thus there was never any expectation that stations two channels above and two channels below
would be listenable. Of course, the HD AM signal does occupy the full 30 kHz space allowed, making reception of formerly
listenable distant stations impossible, but it's ridiculous to say stations are "violating property rights" by using the bandwidth that
has been legal for them to use for nearly 75 years!

True AM stations were allowed 15 kHz up to NRSC-1......one of my 1st AMs could pass a FM proof on medium power (it was a CCA, what else can I say?? to do 100% mod it was pushing the poor 4-1000 mod tubes over the max plate dissipation already! 125 asym? forget it!) and our Moseley remote control use high end subcarrier.....which we werent thrilled with...had to roll off the high end of the audio to allow the telemetry back to read right! UGH!
BUT then again, mod density with AUDIO was nothing compared to IBUZ......even with 15kHz slop from analog, you can hear 2nd adj ok....maybe 1st adj if you are not that close....but IBUZ kills it all.....Its higher density across the 30kHz spectrum is like a flat line...where as audio would vary all over the place in density...not too bad and you could handle it.
Property issues?? Naw....I am not defending that take.....COMMON sense and something better than IBUZ??? Now that I WOULD support....

 

[BossJock1947]

Oh PUH-LEAZ! Bruce has as much a right to bash IBOC, as you do to defend it. That's what discussion blogs are for.

Let's be specific. We are talking about iBiquity's HD Radio. IBOC is just a method for digital radio. HD Radio is the implementation of IBOC. While HD Radio is IBOC, IBOC is not necessarily HD Radio. Secondly, this is not a "discussion blog", it is a discussion forum. The two are not even remotely the same thing. Blog has become such a hype-word that it is being used interchangeably for almost any type of website it seems.

Now on to your comment...

Note that in my original comment I said nothing of Bruce's "right". I said privilege. That was not accidental. My comment was directly referencing a specific thread from a few weeks back (I can't remember if you were part of it or not), where he made a completely jackass out of himself by spewing non-sensical untruths left and right regarding HD Radio. Either he was being intentionally dishonest or he is just completely ignorant of HD Radio. It's either one or the other.

I get that Bruce and a lot of other radio guys don't like HD Radio. But if he or anyone else states lies as fact, I am going to call them out. Considering how much of his argument was so wrong, I can't believe he is already back in the same place bringing up the topic again. I would be embarrassed and humiliated enough to go hide while I studied up on the topic at hand more thoroughly. It's nothing personal, Bruce is probably a great person, I just cannot comprehend his chutzpah on this subject.

War of Attrition:

They need more people like you in the Governments of China, Russia, N.Korea

 

[rbrucecarter5]

Oh PUH-LEAZ! Bruce has as much a right to bash IBOC, as you do to defend it. That's what discussion blogs are for.

Let's be specific. We are talking about iBiquity's HD Radio. IBOC is just a method for digital radio. HD Radio is the implementation of IBOC. While HD Radio is IBOC, IBOC is not necessarily HD Radio. Secondly, this is not a "discussion blog", it is a discussion forum. The two are not even remotely the same thing. Blog has become such a hype-word that it is being used interchangeably for almost any type of website it seems.

Now on to your comment...

Note that in my original comment I said nothing of Bruce's "right". I said privilege. That was not accidental. My comment was directly referencing a specific thread from a few weeks back (I can't remember if you were part of it or not), where he made a completely jackass out of himself by spewing non-sensical untruths left and right regarding HD Radio. Either he was being intentionally dishonest or he is just completely ignorant of HD Radio. It's either one or the other.

I get that Bruce and a lot of other radio guys don't like HD Radio. But if he or anyone else states lies as fact, I am going to call them out. Considering how much of his argument was so wrong, I can't believe he is already back in the same place bringing up the topic again. I would be embarrassed and humiliated enough to go hide while I studied up on the topic at hand more thoroughly. It's nothing personal, Bruce is probably a great person, I just cannot comprehend his chutzpah on this subject.

War of Attrition:

They need more people like you in the Governments of China, Russia, N.Korea

Don't worry about it - the moment that guy started personal attacks against me - he lost the argument according to the laws of debate. The only "jackasses" are those who insist upon jamming adjacent frequencies - to run only speech and sports which don't need 50 kHz of bandwidth. I still think they are afraid of the competition from rimshot stations and want to jam them out of existance.

 

[rbrucecarter5]

AM stations have NEVER operated within 10 kHz. From 1934 until NRSC-1 in 1988, AM stations were allowed to transmit

That may be so, but there is a huge difference between the sidebands of analog transmission and the enormously loud sidebands of IBOC, which cause most radio seek and scan buttons to stop on both sides, first and second adjacents. That is five button pushes to get past every IBOC AM station! Analog sidebands never caused that problem.