ANOTHER WCIN EXTENSION; WCVG IS DARK?

[Ken Tucky]

Thanks. I don't see WCVG on the list yet.
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Here's Why:
"This list only includes stations that have been silent for more than 2 months."

 

[Bengalsfan]

You are only required to file a silent STA if you are, or anticipate, being off for longer than 30 days.

 

[gabigley1]

You are only required to file a silent STA if you are, or anticipate, being off for longer than 30 days.

I thought you needed to file a silent STA if are, or anticipate, being off for longer than 10 days.

 

[Bengalsfan]

You don't need an official STA, you just need to notify the FCC if longer than 10 days. Longer than 30 and you need an STA and that's when the clock starts on getting it back on the air within 365 days or losing the license.

 

[skippertthomas]

I reflect that it might a third angle.. Many have been talking about old AM allocations in Milwaukee, Nashville and Atlanta.. Stations like WCIN were put on when Cincy was inside the loop.. Now you have urban sprawl and most of your money people are outside the interstate loop.... Signals used to cover the majority of the Population that was more centered.. Now those populations are spread out as flat as a huge pancake... It's hard to cover the full metro zip codes, these days.....

"Skip" at 910/"TheDuck"

 

[BobOnTheJob]

I reflect that it might a third angle.. Many have been talking about old AM allocations in Milwaukee, Nashville and Atlanta.. Stations like WCIN were put on when Cincy was inside the loop.. Now you have urban sprawl and most of your money people are outside the interstate loop.... Signals used to cover the majority of the Population that was more centered.. Now those populations are spread out as flat as a huge pancake... It's hard to cover the full metro zip codes, these days.....

"Skip" at 910/"TheDuck"

And in WCIN's case, they had a nice daytime facility in the 60's, lost the site & their nearly 400' tall towers were rebuilt elsewhere at about 150' with less than 5KW. It was a sad day when that signal went away.

 

[jry]

All true, guys.
I submit that WCIN/WDJO is formatted perfectly for what it covers. Naturally, they could us a little more nighttime.
This current economic downturn will result in a thinning out of some signals, possibly allowing some AM operators to improve their facilities.
It'll be a real "survival of the fittest".
I know that WCVG is not totally up to snuff and doesn't cover all it could.
The question is whether or not someone can buy it cheap enough to do the repairs. Will it be successful when they're done.

 

[major]

All true, guys.
I submit that WCIN/WDJO is formatted perfectly for what it covers. Naturally, they could us a little more nighttime.
This current economic downturn will result in a thinning out of some signals, possibly allowing some AM operators to improve their facilities.
It'll be a real "survival of the fittest".
I know that WCVG is not totally up to snuff and doesn't cover all it could.
The question is whether or not someone can buy it cheap enough to do the repairs. Will it be successful when they're done.

You are correct. Dick Plessinger told me when he sold the station, that he was going to work on a modification to the signal pattern for an increase in power, and an extra directional lobe to the east. This was an extra $200k cost, to be added to the $1.9 million sale price. Unfortunately, he died shortly after the sale. I do not know how far he got with this, if he even started it.

 

[NoWayNoCC]

Maybe WCVG should just be a Covington station. I don't see the point in trying to cover the whole market with that weak signal. Even when it was WCLU, it had serious signal issues.

 

[microbob]

I doubt it could be a Covington station only. It could be a Northern KY station like 106.7 WNKR. WCVG could carry all of High School sports and community events around Northen KY. It would make some money for an owner who could run it correctly.

 

[BobOnTheJob]

Maybe WCVG should just be a Covington station. I don't see the point in trying to cover the whole market with that weak signal. Even when it was WCLU, it had serious signal issues.

When WCLU was in it's heyday (mid-late 1960's with double digit ratings playing Big Clu Country--which all ended when 24/7 1230 WUBE went country in the Spring of 1969), the metro pretty well ended at I-275. The downtown Cincy signal was excellent...seems it was equal to WSAI. The catch was that it was 6AM-Local Sunset. Now the metro has expanded well past 275 in most directions & the 1320 signal just isn't up to the task these days.

 

[jry]

All true, guys.
I submit that WCIN/WDJO is formatted perfectly for what it covers. Naturally, they could us a little more nighttime.
This current economic downturn will result in a thinning out of some signals, possibly allowing some AM operators to improve their facilities.
It'll be a real "survival of the fittest".
I know that WCVG is not totally up to snuff and doesn't cover all it could.
The question is whether or not someone can buy it cheap enough to do the repairs. Will it be successful when they're done.

You are correct. Dick Plessinger told me when he sold the station, that he was going to work on a modification to the signal pattern for an increase in power, and an extra directional lobe to the east. This was an extra $200k cost, to be added to the $1.9 million sale price. Unfortunately, he died shortly after the sale. I do not know how far he got with this, if he even started it.

Well, the 200K would have been spent by Davidson as the person that slid the 1.9 mil across the table to take the keys. Just a good ground system and transmitter/processing would give this station more of the market.

 

[gabigley1]

You don't need an official STA, you just need to notify the FCC if longer than 10 days. Longer than 30 and you need an STA and that's when the clock starts on getting it back on the air within 365 days or losing the license.

We had radio station WVKO-AM here in Columbus, Ohio, go dark back on May 6, 2006. Ten days later, on the money, they filed for an STA to remain silent. Now in this case, they knew that they were going to be silent
for more then 30 days so apparently that's what they filed for an official STA 10 days after being silent. That way they didn't have to file for an official STA 30 days after being silent. They killed two birds with one stone.

This is the STA WVKO-AM filed back in May of 2006:

https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/w...xt=25&appn=101128876&formid=910&fac_num=22341

The FCC database still doesn't show WCVG as being silent. WCVH has been silent for more then ten days now.
Dose the FCC database List 10 day silent notifications?

 

[ncincy1]

As of this afternoon (Mon. 12/21) 1320 is "back on the air" and broadcasting classic country songs with long intervals of silence.... ???

 

[Bengalsfan]

The FCC database still doesn't show WCVG as being silent. WCVH has been silent for more then ten days now.
Dose the FCC database List 10 day silent notifications?

No, it does not. the 10 day notification is informal.

 

[gabigley1]

As of this afternoon (Mon. 12/21) 1320 is "back on the air" and broadcasting classic country songs with long intervals of silence.... ???

Maybe that will keep them from even having to file an informal 10 day silent notification with the FCC.

 

[gabigley1]

The FCC database still doesn't show WCVG as being silent. WCVH has been silent for more then ten days now.
Dose the FCC database List 10 day silent notifications?

No, it does not. the 10 day notification is informal.

The FCC dose list informal filings on their web site. Here is the informal filings for WCVG: http://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/ws.exe/prod/cdbs/pubacc/prod/corrp_list.pl?Facility_id=56220

There isn't a silent notification filing for WCVG on the above list. Are they still silent?

 

[RadioBill]

And in WCIN's case, they had a nice daytime facility in the 60's, lost the site & their nearly 400' tall towers were rebuilt elsewhere at about 150' with less than 5KW. It was a sad day when that signal went away.

Bob,

Wasn't that the move from Beekman Street (Northside) to Glenwood Ave (Avondale)? On the northwest side of town, both the "old" 1,000w daytime signal and the "new" 500w nightime signal were better than the "new" 5,000w daytime signal. As a kid at the time, I never quite understood that.

Bill

 

[BobOnTheJob]

And in WCIN's case, they had a nice daytime facility in the 60's, lost the site & their nearly 400' tall towers were rebuilt elsewhere at about 150' with less than 5KW. It was a sad day when that signal went away.

Bob,

Wasn't that the move from Beekman Street (Northside) to Glenwood Ave (Avondale)? On the northwest side of town, both the "old" 1,000w daytime signal and the "new" 500w nightime signal were better than the "new" 5,000w daytime signal. As a kid at the time, I never quite understood that.

Bill

Hi Bill,

The Northside site was before my time. When I started in High School (1967), they were already on Glenwood Avenue & from memory, they had a decent enough day signal, but the night signal was another matter. At Pippin & Springdale at night, you could see the towers but couldn't hear the signal. What year did they go to 106 Glenwood?

Bob

 

[BobointheH20]

Per a filing on 12/9/09:

THE PARTIES TO THE SUBJECT TRANSACTION HEREBY REQUEST AN ADDITIONAL 90 DAYS, UNTIL MARCH 13, 2010, TO CONSUMMATE THE ASSIGNMENT OF WCIN(AM), CINCINNATI, OH (FIN 32953) FROM AMERICAN BROADCASTING, LLC TO ALCHEMY II BROADCASTING, LLC. ADDITIONAL TIME IS NECESSARY AS THE BUYER HAS NOT YET OBTAINED FINANCING AND THE PARTIES ARE EXPLORING ALTERNATIVE WAYS OF FINANCING THE TRANSACTION.

So was the extention for WCIN granted?