Any TV Stations In Your Area ID'ing with Their Digital Channel?

[KML0224]

WFSB-TV/DT (CBS) of Hartford identifies as "WFSB-TV/DT Hartford/New Haven/Norwich" or "WFSB-TV/DT Hartford/New Haven/New London." The latter used to be Springfield (MA) but that changed due to their secondary "CBS 3" service (WSHM-LP channel 67) taking the air. I think the only station in the market which actually shows their digital channel number is WHPX-TV/DT (I/PAX) channel 26/D 34 of New London, CT.

 

[mjlarochelle]

> WRNN-DT in Kingston, NY is ID-ing just their digital channel
> and their LP in Nyack.
>
> I think they shut their analogue transmitter down a while
> back.
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Really?! Unless I missed something, I thought WRNN was still on channel 62 with an analogue signal.

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[Mark_Ericson]

> Really?! Unless I missed something, I thought WRNN was
> still on channel 62 with an analogue signal.

You missed the part where they went digital-only a few months ago.

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[DTV-Chief]

> > FCC rules require stations to identify using their analog
> > channel. You are not to use your digital channel in your
> ID
> > even if you have turned in your analog frequency.
> >
> > If a station is broadcasting something on both its analog
> > and digital channel you can use the WZZZ/DT format. If
> the
> > programming is only broadcast on the digital channel (i.e.
>
> > 24 hour weather), you must identify using the WZZZ-DT
> > format.
>
> Please cite where this is stated in the Rules. I just
> searched all the relevant sections of Part 73 and could not
> find anything that confirms your statement.
>
Here is the citation you wanted:

http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-04-192A1.pdf

go to Section M. DTV Station Identification, paragraphs 169-173 on pages 75-77

This is from FCC Second Periodic Review of Conversion to DTV, FCC 04-192, MB Docket No. 03-15, RM 9832.

This citation includes language that FCC adopted ASTC A/65B Standards into Rules:

http://www.atsc.org/standards/a_65b.pdf

and go to Annex B on pages 86 & 87, 1.Assignment of Major Channel for Terrestrial Broadcast

where #3 assigns the analog channel number forever

and #4 requires future users of analog spectrum to use DTV channel of former analog users for PSIP identification

FCC Rules have shrunk over the years, followed by decreased enforcement

and it remains to be seen whether or how vigorously the FCC will enforce its newly adopted DTV Rules.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by DTV-Chief on 10/31/05 01:08 PM.</FONT></P>

 

[KMRichards]

> Here is the citation you wanted:
>
http:/> /hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/FCC-04-192A1.pdf

I thank you very much for providing same, since -- as you referenced in your earlier reply -- this does not yet appear in Part 73 documents at the FCC website.

> and it remains to be seen whether or how vigorously the FCC
> will enforce its newly adopted DTV Rules.

I'm tempted to file a complaint about KVMD-DT Twentynine Palms, CA, which surrendered its analog license a couple of years back and now only identifies as channel 23 (not 31). I'm rather annoyed by them forcing their way into the Los Angeles market when the allocation was supposed to be for an additional Palm Springs market signal, and this would be a nice payback.<P ID="signature">______________


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[DTV-Chief]

> I'll be most interested to see the citations on this, since
> the rules, at least in Part 73, are at best unclear and at
> worst contradictory right now.
>
> If you believe the data in the FCC's own CDBS database,
> there's no such thing as a "-DT" call. DTV broadcasts are
> licensed under the same facility ID number and thus the same
> callsign as the parent NTSC station, with the only
> difference in the "service" designation (DT instead of TV).
>
>
> So for my local WXXI-TV, there are three records in the
> database: an analog license on channel 21, a DTV license on
> channel 16 and a DTV modified CP on channel 16. All are
> facility ID # 57274, and all bear the callsign "WXXI-TV" in
> CDBS. If you follow the ID rules in Part 73, it seems to me
> that the correct ID would therefore be "WXXI-TV Rochester"
> for both services. Again, if this has been contradicted in a
> supplemental ruling, I haven't seen it, but I'd like to.
>
> There is, in any event, little reason for a thinking
> broadcaster to use an on-screen ID like "WCBS-TV2/DT56",
> since no viewer sees WCBS-TV's digital signal as "56," but
> rather as "2-1." As noted in another post above, the fact
> that the digital signal's riding somewhere in the 700 MHz
> range, rather than on the 54-60 MHz "channel 2," is
> irrelevant to the DTV viewer.
>
Scott, actually if you investigate the FCC website just a bit further you can view the WXXI Authorization (i.e., license) from CBDS page

http://svartifoss2.fcc.gov/prod/cdbs/pubacc/Auth_Files/1025550.pdf

which proscribes "Analog Call Sign: WXXI-TV" and "Digital Call Sign: WXXI-DT"

so not accurate to say all bear the callsign WXXI-TV

its just that FCC's search engine (or page display) mislead you to that conclusion

(and I cited the pertinent FCC documents addressing DTV Station I.D. and PSIP in my 10/31 reply to KMRichards above)