AP banned from White House

[davideduardo]

We're about a year or two away from that. They're using the regulatory process first. The killing starts when the lawfare is unsuccessful.

I've been there, in several countries. I've had my print "partner" killed and employees beaten. I have had soldiers in my studios. I have had to wear bulletproof vests to work in another nation, been trapped at a station for 6 days during a revolution in another.

We are absolutely nowhere near what you describe.

The Audacy bankruptcy will be the real flash point. If they change their approval because of Soros, then we're in stage 2.

If they find a legal reason to deny approval... then it is not "stage anything". Personally, the idea that Soros could do anything influential with a bunch of dying and unprofitable radio stations is simply absurd. But after hearing how Soros destroyed the lives of so many retirees and pensioners in the U.K., I have a rather good sense of big time "payback" being needed in his case.

 

[TheBigA]

What we're seeing is this assumption that if people don't like government, the government must be all democrats. It has nothing to do with party.

What we're seeing now is when republicans take power, they behave just like democrats, and try to force their way on other people. Just as they're doing now with the AP. If a democrat did this to Fox News, people would be howling about government over-reach. They're doing the same thing in states, forcing the bible and religious instruction in public schools. A writer is calling it right wing woke.

How the Woke Right Replaced the Woke Left

The hypocrisy of Trump’s language wars

www.theatlantic.com

 

[TheBigA]

We are absolutely nowhere near what you describe.

Give it time. We're only one month in, and they're launching multiple investigations and banning the AP.

Personally, the idea that Soros could do anything influential with a bunch of dying and unprofitable radio stations is simply absurd.

I'm talking about Audacy

 

[davideduardo]

Give it time. We're only one month in, and they're launching multiple investigations and banning the AP.

They are not "banning" AP. Just excluding them from one venue.

I'm talking about Audacy

Same guy, different nation. His financial dealings with the British currency destroyed or hurt the lives of hundreds of thousands of government retirees and pensioners just so he could do a currency trading play.

 

[TheBigA]

They are not "banning" AP. Just excluding them from one venue.

Nope. Also includes air force one and maralago. Also the travel pool. Any location where they could potentially come in contact.

The lawsuit isn't just about access. It's about banning access that had been previously approved (for 100 years) as retribution for one small thing,

Same guy, different nation. His financial dealings with the British currency destroyed or hurt the lives of hundreds of thousands of government retirees and pensioners just so he could do a currency trading play.

There's absolutely no similarity between that and his Audacy investment. In this case he's saving a radio company from dissolution.

 

[tbolt909]

I've been there, in several countries. I've had my print "partner" killed and employees beaten. I have had soldiers in my studios. I have had to wear bulletproof vests to work in another nation, been trapped at a station for 6 days during a revolution in another.
We are absolutely nowhere near what you describe.

That's what happens where Dictators have power. Trump admires Putin (a ruthless thug who poisons his enemies).
He boasts about changing the constitution so he can remain in office indefinitely. He hates and wants to silence any media that won't praise him.

What you say you've experienced will happen here eventually. Give it time...

 

[davideduardo]

Nope. Also includes air force one and maralago. Also the travel pool. Any location where they could potentially come in contact.

Those are all extensions of the White House. Mar-a-Lago, AF-1, travel pool are part of the Presidency.

The lawsuit isn't just about access. It's about banning access that had been previously approved (for 100 years) as retribution for one small thing,

No different than a couple that was married 25 years getting a divorce.

There's absolutely no similarity between that and his Audacy investment. In this case he's saving a radio company from dissolution.

Same person: George Soros.

 

[gr8oldies]

That's what happens where Dictators have power. Trump admires Putin (a ruthless thug who poisons his enemies).
He boasts about changing the constitution so he can remain in office indefinitely. He hates and wants to silence any media that won't praise him.

What you say you've experienced will happen here eventually. Give it time...

Already happening. Woman being removed from a Republican town hall by unidentified men. Coeur d'Alene town hall turns chaotic as woman forcibly removed

 

[TheBigA]

Those are all extensions of the White House. Mar-a-Lago, AF-1, travel pool are part of the Presidency.

The Pentagon is doing the same thing to several other established news outlets. I expect the other agencies will follow.

Access to government venues shouldn't be based on politics. It should be based on reach. Replacing organizations such as AP or NBC with small far right bloggers isn't appropriate. It's just being used as a reward for towing the political line. That's not how media should work in country that promotes free speech. They're using access as retribution.

Same person: George Soros.

They aren't against him because of what he did in England. It's because he supports democrats. They're very clear and vocal about it. At some point they will make the democratic party a terrorist organization. They see anyone who supports dems as a terrorist and should be destroyed. That's what happened in Russia.

Being a democrat should not exclude someone from owning radio stations.

 

[davideduardo]

The Pentagon is doing the same thing to several other established news outlets. I expect the other agencies will follow.

No, the limited little press offices at the Pentagon were rotated. One of the new occupants is HuffPost. Hardly a conservative journal.

Access to government venues shouldn't be based on politics. It should be based on reach. Replacing organizations such as AP or NBC with small far right bloggers isn't appropriate.

HuffPost and Briethbart are bigger in reach than NBC. AP violated White House policy and they paid the price for making a point.

It's just being used as a reward for towing the political line. That's not how media should work in country that promotes free speech. They're using access as retribution.

See above, as the changes favor new media, not dead OTA TV network news outlets. Look at all the major market newspapers that used to sit in the briefing room that are gone now and replaced by cable news channels... and now podcasts and online news sites.

They aren't against him because of what he did in England. It's because he supports democrats.

I never said they were. I am stating why I despise him and that is due to what happened to friends and family members in the "old country".

That is not allowed. At some point they will make the democratic party a terrorist organization. They see anyone who supports them as a terrorist and should be destroyed.

You are awfulizing. This is like those occasional posts where someone asks what format a specific station might change to even when that station is a market leader in billings and ratings.

Being a democrat should not exclude someone from owning radio stations.

But having unauthorized or undisclosed foreign ownership is. The FCC has approved full ownership of Univision by foreign investors, even despite Mexico in general being about 90° to the left of the Republicans here in the US.

 

[TheBigA]

No, the limited little press offices at the Pentagon were rotated. One of the new occupants is HuffPost. Hardly a conservative journal.

No, that's a new policy established by the new SOD:

New Media to Replace Traditional Outlets in Pentagon Office Spaces

The Trump administration's Pentagon, led by Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth, is set to introduce significant changes to media access within its confines. The Pentagon will rotate established media outlets out of their offices to welcome new media entities, aligning with the White House's efforts...

capitalisminstitute.org

AP violated White House policy and they paid the price for making a point.

They didn't violate any policy. Their international stylebook lists a body of water by its internationally accepted name.

They're demanding that AP change its international stylebook.

See above, as the changes favor new media, not dead OTA TV network news outlets.

Once again, they're not doing this based on nonpartisan audience figures. It's based on who they like and who they don't like.

I am stating why I despise him and that is due to what happened to friends and family members in the "old country".

You're welcome to your opinion. But that's not why Carr wants to reopen the Audacy bankruptcy. He is very public and vocal about it.

But having unauthorized or undisclosed foreign ownership is.

Once again, they're not talking about his foreign holdings. It's his support of democrats, and the concern he would use those stations to influence public opinion. That is what they say over and over. Nothing about any of his financial holdings.

The FCC has approved full ownership of Univision by foreign investors, even despite Mexico in general being about 90° to the left of the Republicans here in the US.

That's an interesting subject. That approval came under a different FCC. I'd like to see how this FCC would handle any new purchase made by Univision in this country. I think this FCC would use it as leverage in immigration.

 

[Delete My Account]

You are talking about local TV news. Not the national network news. And both are on dying media. But the fact remains that old media, print, radio and TV, is dominated by a huge majority... reports show as much as 97% and never below 90%.... of news staffers being Democrats.

Could it be that people who favor Democrats also, for whatever reason, are more prone to enter media careers and live in these areas? The area I was raised in was nothing like Berkeley or Cambridge, and I feel much more comfortable there now than I do where I was born. People "self-sort" and I'm not entirely sure what you can do about it. Besides, there's plenty of "mainstream media" that's right wing and last I checked they did equal or better numbers. Most of talk radio, huge podcasts in the top 10, multiple cable channels. There's no crisis here, especially since the right wing base doesn't trust "mainstream" media that isn't their "mainstream media" so therefore, this is a nothing burger. There's no way you can force balance on a free market. And if you support government applying pressure to do that, that's not conservatism.

I've worked in newsrooms. I couldn't tell you how a single reporter I've worked with, much less the news directors, voted. Even if they were "liberal" they kept it out of the workplace.

If they find a legal reason to deny approval... then it is not "stage anything". Personally, the idea that Soros could do anything influential with a bunch of dying and unprofitable radio stations is simply absurd. But after hearing how Soros destroyed the lives of so many retirees and pensioners in the U.K., I have a rather good sense of big time "payback" being needed in his case.

May be satisfying on a personal level and feel like justice, but it's not what the US is examining or allowed to prosecute here. Plenty of unethical people own radio stations, I'm sure all of us have worked for at least a half dozen of them. Musk is currently destroying people's lives and benefits and retirement plans and I don't see anyone saying he doesn't have a right to own X, which reaches far more people than Audacy.

 

[Jean Luc]

The Electoral Collage was designed to keep areas of the nation from dominating the governing process. It is rather unique world wide, and explains why we have had a stable government about to celebrate 250 years of independence.

Not really. It was a compromise. (Like that 3/5ths of a person business.) Those pushing for a new charter to replace the Articles of Confederation believed they needed to get all 13 states on board. Small states would not go along with a population-based legislature and the more populous states insisted on it. Electoral votes are apportioned based on each state's representation in both houses of congress. The founders were rich guys and did not want "the people" ("the tyranny of the mob") to have unchecked authority. So, originally senators and presidential electors were chosen by state legislatures and not voters (even though voting was restricted to White, male, land owners).

Stable government? Puh-leez! The system of government in this country is a mess - now more than ever. One of the big reasons Canada wants no part of the US is the Westminster system is far more stable and far more responsive than the archaic mess we have. Besides, this is not a country it's an empire. What else do you call it when people in much of the country want out and thousands are slaughtered and land is burned out to force them back in.

 

[davideduardo]

No, that's a new policy established by the new SOD:

And it includes HufPost and that was kept standing.

They didn't violate any policy. Their international stylebook lists a body of water by its internationally accepted name.

And that style-book is their internal policy, not that of the United States government. Names of nations and landmarks change all the time all over the world. Stylebooks are edited but government policy is not set by the AP. Look at how the various press organizations have had to juggle place, nation and territory names in the Middle East since around 1920.

They're demanding that AP change its international stylebook.

The name was changed. They should adapt.

Once again, they're not doing this based on nonpartisan audience figures. It's based on who they like and who they don't like.

Isn't all politics partisan? So?

You're welcome to your opinion. But that's not why Carr wants to reopen the Audacy bankruptcy. He is very public and vocal about it.

And I think he is wrong, just as the KCBS investigation is wrong. But I never agree with any administration 100%.

Once again, they're not talking about his foreign holdings. It's his support of democrats, and the concern he would use those stations to influence public opinion. That is what they say over and over. Nothing about any of his financial holdings.

But the key point is the advance approval due to "exigent circumstances" prior to the foreign ownership issue being resolved or ruled upon.

That's an interesting subject. That approval came under a different FCC. I'd like to see how this FCC would handle any new purchase made by Univision in this country. I think this FCC would use it as leverage in immigration.

You are safe from worry. Univision/Televisa has a stated policy to phase out of terrestrial stations in the future. Much of its profits now come from ViX, the international streaming service.

 

[TheBigA]

And that style-book is their internal policy, not that of the United States government.

Correct, and not subject to demands by the government. Demands made by the government are by definition: "abridging the freedom of the press."

Isn't all politics partisan? So?

I thought the media was supposed to be unbiased and not political.

But the key point is the advance approval due to "exigent circumstances" prior to the foreign ownership issue being resolved or ruled upon.

They had not applied for foreign ownership waiver. That was explained in the approval. Brent Bozell thinks Soros isn't a US citizen.

 

[davideduardo]

Stable goveg reasons Canada wants no part of the US is the Westminster system is far more stable and far more responsive than the archaic mess we have. Puh-leez! The system of government in this country is a mess - now more than ever. One of the bi

Huh?

Have you ever lived in Canada? I have 6 Canadian neighbor families on my block, and they disagree. I have even more Canadian friends who provide material for my website, and they are distressed by the last few years there, as indicated by the disastrous approval rating for the "little" Trudeau.

Besides, this is not a country it's an empire. What else do you call it when people in much of the country want out and thousands are slaughtered and land is burned out to force them back in.

Huh? What are you talking about?

 

[gr8oldies]

Huh?

Have you ever lived in Canada? I have 6 Canadian neighbor families on my block, and they disagree. I have even more Canadian friends who provide material for my website, and they are distressed by the last few years there, as indicated by the disastrous approval rating for the "little" Trudeau.



Huh? What are you talking about?

I'm sure Canadians would all like to have medical bankruptcy and school shooter drills. My wife just spent a week in the hospital and I can't wait to see how many zeros are in her bill, even after insurance. Freedom!

 

[TheBigA]

You are safe from worry. Univision/Televisa has a stated policy to phase out of terrestrial stations in the future. Much of its profits now come from ViX, the international streaming service.

I think any company that received a 100% foreign ownership waiver can expect a lot of delay and perhaps a denial if they attempt to make any changes subject to FCC approval. That includes iHeart and Cumulus. Audacy is currently undergoing the waiver process. It should be completed by the summer.

 

[davideduardo]

I'm sure Canadians would all like to have medical bankruptcy and school shooter drills. My wife just spent a week in the hospital and I can't wait to see how many zeros are in her bill, even after insurance. Freedom!

There are two sides to that coin. Surgery and other procedures can have a wait that can easily be over a year. Getting regular appointments can take weeks or more. Specialists can be 6 months out.

All my Canadian neighbors who live hear half the year have American health plans and do all their specialized procedures here. In fact, one who needed surgery last year came in the hottest month of the summer when it can reach 122° outside just to avoid the many months of waiting in Calgary or Edmanton or Regina or Winnipeg... or even smaller places like Moose Jaw (I just had to get that one in).

 

[gr8oldies]

There are two sides to that coin. Surgery and other procedures can have a wait that can easily be over a year. Getting regular appointments can take weeks or more. Specialists can be 6 months out.

All my Canadian neighbors who live hear half the year have American health plans and do all their specialized procedures here. In fact, one who needed surgery last year came in the hottest month of the summer when it can reach 122° outside just to avoid the many months of waiting in Calgary or Edmanton or Regina or Winnipeg... or even smaller places like Moose Jaw (I just had to get that one in).

I'm sure they're wealthy enough to do that. Then there's the rest of us. I don't condone Luigi, but he illustrated what's wrong.