It’s trolling when you and a certain other poster join every conversation, repeating what you’ve already repeated thousands of times. You think we are so stupid that we forgot what you’ve already told us dozens of times. We aren’t unfamiliar with your expertise. We just are sick of hearing the same things and would love to express ourselves without the same trolling every time.
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Audacy divestitures coming?
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It is your right, but you and others keep doing the same thing. The person who made the original comment wrote what he did because he already knew what you’d say. You’re not teaching him anything.
But the old WCAS is essentially what the current WUMB is. WCAS was never a folk purist's musical museum. It played tracks from current and recent albums, often cherry-picking two or three tracks for heavier airplay. And the music was everything from folk to folk-rock to blues to jazz to reggae. Putting that on AM, even if you could somehow get Rick Starr and Lisa Karlin and Frank Dudgeon (Can you tell I was a fan?) back in the studio, would be pointless. If you're talking about old jocks playing old songs, I'm afraid an awful lot of the singer-songwriter stuff 'CAS played back in the day has not aged well.
WCAS-AM was an interesting station. Back when I only had AM radio in the car I was always flipping between WCAS and 1550-WNTN...."Your AM Alternative"....AOR/Progressive Rock on the AM band....Of the two...I always preferred WNTN...
Some of the "same responses" have to be made because a poster is new to the discussion or a topic may have run its course on the board for one market or topic be is "new" in a different are.
And, when some posters insist on telling the radio industry to do things that have been amply tested, researched and proven not to work, there comes a time when one has to lightly scold those posters and try to help them understand the realities of both ad-supported and listener-supported radio.
"Trolling" on the other hand is generally when someone posts something outrageous with the intent of inflaming a discussion. That is not the case here, and you should not be calling the posts you describe as such.
That’s where I’m not seeing the trolling aspect. Personally irked by certain viewpoints? Ok, sure. But that’s a different thing.
I mean I suppose it’s possible (practical is another issue) to start a forum that sets a rule like “no injecting realities” in which case that’s a violation to “punish” as one sees fit. 😉
What does seem to happen a lot is that unrealistic wishes and dreams aren’t presented as such, but more like “why does t the business/industry do as I wish because I know better” or “the suits are all fools” type things.
Lots of things I would “like,” but generally don’t lament they’re not happening because…god help any business that catered to my tastes. They’d be bankrupt in a week. 😄
David is one of the most experienced, patient and tolerant members on this board. I have found his comments to be extremely helpful in understanding radio. Many of the threads are fascinating such as the KHJ discussion on the LA board. I see no issue with explanation repetition. This occurs usually when a poster makes the same comment knowing s/he is incorrect and invites correction or a new poster who is not knowledgeable. As David mentioned, trolling is when a poster purposely makes an over the top comment to generate terse feedback. Of the many thousands of posts David has posted, he resists the cheap shot and stays factual.
Thank you for the well reasoned post.
Frank and I, as well as the topic moderators for LPFM and the "Frequency of the Week" try to explain our responses each time a person who does not or has not worked in radio suggests or criticizes based on a lack of "the inside story".
Today I had to delete two of ScottBurns' posts as they were both personally offensive and, quite simply, unreasonable.
Example: When there is a post that suggests playing songs that we know have "stiffed" in countless music tests, I (repeatedly, for sure) describe how music is selected and tested. But when the response is a criticism of proven research techniques and procedures, I reach "the end of the rope" and realize that people who have no radio experience and negate every presentation of reality just don't want to hear the facts.
But, it's interesting to note the difference between people who work in the business....and those who are simply fans/listeners.
Keep in mind that many people are not here for the "inside story". They are listeners and simply know what they like and what they don't like. (That's the way we should expect it to be.) Many people enjoy radio, and are free to express their likes and dislikes....and that's the end of the story.
When someone responds with "reality", it doesn't make them suddenly enjoy that aspect of radio more because they got "reality" explained to them.
When a radio "fan" says that they think station WXXX plays too many songs by Rhianna (and plays them too often), they don't suddenly start liking station WXXX because they got a music clock or rotation system explained to them.
Their dislike (or opinion) stands on it's own.
But the point of the administrators of this board is that, as radio people, we need to or even must explain why those personal "listener opinions" are not practical. And, rather than just saying "ain't gonna' happen" we explain why it won't change.
This board is intended to be a meeting of listeners with radio professionals, but its base is the radio industry and it is not a fanzine for favorite artists.
It gets tiring to see posts, repeatedly, telling radio what songs it should collectively play when we know those songs "don't test". There is a lot of work and money put in making one-for-many radio playlists, and that deserves to be recognized.
It seems to be a fanzine for radio in general.
Some of those "explainers" can be seen as dismissive. I like to see when the radio professionals challenge the listeners (Would you rather hear this...or that.) Likes or dislikes don't have to be based in logic, reality or even possibilities.
If I say that I like to hear network news at the top of the hour.....what good does it do to have someone say "Here's why that will never happen", or "Here's where your thinking is flawed". It's irrelevant, because I'm stating my preference.
I have never worked in radio but I really enjoy the inside information. My love of radio goes back almost 60 years. It seems like David has been in the business over 60 years (lol) and truly has unique insight no one else has. I have no knowledge of non English speaking radio for example, so David’s knowledge is extremely valuable. I believe these boards provide fabulous insight and background to us lovers of radio without being condescending. Most post readers can differentiate between real knowledge and “fake news” knowledge. There also seems to be an ego element to prove who knows more, a lay person or a career radio professional. The professional comes out ahead every time
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The name of this board is "discussions". If someone posts, it is logical that they may get agreement followups or disagreement ones.... or alternative perspectives.
But the "I don't know why they don't play" a certain song comments all get the same answer: it they don't play it, there is likely a reason based on some form of research... either done by the station itself or its group owner... or "borrowed" by looking at MediaBase for a station "just like us".
I said nothing unreasonable. I explained why I believe you troll my posts, David, as well as why you and others disrespected the person who made the original comment in this thread. But go ahead and censor me. Not being allowed a different opinion is not an open exchange of ideas.
Where I'd usually be wise and post the meme of Michael Jackson eating popcorn, from the Thriller video; and knowing that I've had my own arguments on here over the years, the term trolling is narrow in meaning. Posts can lead to arguments and even fights. Posts can be repetitive, as many of us have our own positions (mostly those of us in the camp of outsiders). But to troll, the aim of the post or reply is to anger other posters, as in saying something to ignite anger. This isn't through misunderstanding or having a differing perspective. Rather it's a statement that is made for the sole purpose of instigating anger. I see this a great amount in political forums and sports forums.
With that said, what value does WEEI-AM add at this point? AM is struggling, and the format is something can easily be moved to WEEI-HD2. Would EMF find it as a viable resource to bring Air 1 to the market. Not that I'm pro-EMF after them buying the license 107.3, but that's who I can see finding some value for 850.
With that said, what value does WEEI-AM add at this point? AM is struggling, and the format is something can easily be moved to WEEI-HD2. Would EMF find it as a viable resource to bring Air 1 to the market. Not that I'm pro-EMF after them buying the license 107.3, but that's who I can see finding some value for 850.
EMF isn't interested in acquiring AMs for any purpose now.
Certainly not quantified, but it feels like there’s a difference between “I like….” and “radio/stations/programmers are wrong for not doing…”’whatever it is.
Of course sometimes there will be “it won’t happen because…” as part of the discussion. What I think I’m taking away from David’s posts recently in this thread is that the moderator and pro responses tend to skew to the latter. Maybe I’m misreading the context and intent, but that’s what it felt like reading the comments.
It's not trolling if he gives you a real-world answer as to why XYZ isn't happening - and likely won't happen - on a radio station. If you're asking why a radio station won't do the thing YOU want, here's a reason why. (The biggest reason? No one programs to one listener, unless you own the station yourself.)
You're taking this way too personally.
To me, it just seems like you do not want to have a two-sided discussion, and do not care to listen to others views that don't line up with yours. If that is what you want, go find yourself a group of people that will never disagree with anything you say, and let me know how that goes.
This site and others like it exist for the sole purpose of people having discussion and naturally debate. Everyone has a different view point, and naturally people will debate you. Compared to some of the people I have seen banned or reprimanded on here (people that ACTUALLY troll; I grew up on the internet, this is not trolling), David and those participating in this thread have been extremely civil and respectful, while you are being quite unreasonable about a harmless quip and seem to be intolerant of people disagreeing with you or having different views, and trying to claim you or others are being singled out without any evidence. I have no reason to believe David or any of the moderators would go out of their way to delete a post unless it was truly disrespectful or inflammatory, based on what I have first-hand witnessed in other parts of this forum.
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