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> What do you think is the worst CHRs in the US?? I choose
> Channel 955 in Detroit and Kiss-FM in Milwaukee.
>
Bad:
Kiss-FM in Milwaukee. Airstaff is ok (mornings are awful) I'm not even going to go into the music. I used to consider this station one of the best in the country.
WKSC Chicago (This used to be a good station. They wrecked it. Bad airstaff. HORRIBLE processing (was the best in Chicago). Music has gotten less mainstream. The whole station is going down the can.)
WKGS Rochester (Top songs played over 120 times a week. Nuff said)
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> Channel 955 in Detroit and Kiss-FM in Milwaukee.
>
Bad:
Kiss-FM in Milwaukee. Airstaff is ok (mornings are awful) I'm not even going to go into the music. I used to consider this station one of the best in the country.
WKSC Chicago (This used to be a good station. They wrecked it. Bad airstaff. HORRIBLE processing (was the best in Chicago). Music has gotten less mainstream. The whole station is going down the can.)
WKGS Rochester (Top songs played over 120 times a week. Nuff said)
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> WKGS Rochester (Top songs played over 120 times a week. Nuff
> said)
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So glad I'm not the only one that noticed that!
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So glad I'm not the only one that noticed that!
> > WKGS Rochester (Top songs played over 120 times a week.
> Nuff
> > said)
>
> How many spins per week do you think your ideal CHR-POP
> station should play their top hits ?
>
> THE MAJOR
>
65-75. It's reasonable for the format. Not too low like 45-50. Not too high like 90-100+. Just right in between. Not so low that listeners complain that they don't hear their songs enough. Not so high that it drives them out of their mind. <P ID="signature">______________
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> Nuff
> > said)
>
> How many spins per week do you think your ideal CHR-POP
> station should play their top hits ?
>
> THE MAJOR
>
65-75. It's reasonable for the format. Not too low like 45-50. Not too high like 90-100+. Just right in between. Not so low that listeners complain that they don't hear their songs enough. Not so high that it drives them out of their mind. <P ID="signature">______________
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> > How many spins per week do you think your ideal CHR-POP
> > station should play their top hits ?
> 65-75. It's reasonable for the format. Not too low like
> 45-50. Not too high like 90-100+. Just right in between. Not
> so low that listeners complain that they don't hear their
> songs enough. Not so high that it drives them out of their
> mind.
That's reasonable. That's about 10 spins per day for the top hits, so they would be played about every 2.5 hours.
My answer to the same question would be closer to about 55 to 60 spins per week. I figure the top hits should be played no more than every 3 hours for a maximum of 8 times per 24-hour day.
My CHR-POP station aqui en Miami - WHYI Y-100.7 - plays their TOP 5 or so hits an average of 110 to 115 times per week. Their next 5 hits generally receive between 80 to 90 spins per week, and then no other hit gets more than 60 spins per week. It gets a bit repetitive during the day, but that's what I listen to at work for 9 hours per day.
THE MAJOR
> > station should play their top hits ?
> 65-75. It's reasonable for the format. Not too low like
> 45-50. Not too high like 90-100+. Just right in between. Not
> so low that listeners complain that they don't hear their
> songs enough. Not so high that it drives them out of their
> mind.
That's reasonable. That's about 10 spins per day for the top hits, so they would be played about every 2.5 hours.
My answer to the same question would be closer to about 55 to 60 spins per week. I figure the top hits should be played no more than every 3 hours for a maximum of 8 times per 24-hour day.
My CHR-POP station aqui en Miami - WHYI Y-100.7 - plays their TOP 5 or so hits an average of 110 to 115 times per week. Their next 5 hits generally receive between 80 to 90 spins per week, and then no other hit gets more than 60 spins per week. It gets a bit repetitive during the day, but that's what I listen to at work for 9 hours per day.
THE MAJOR
> 65-75. It's reasonable for the format. Not too low like
> 45-50. Not too high like 90-100+. Just right in between. Not
> so low that listeners complain that they don't hear their
> songs enough. Not so high that it drives them out of their
> mind.
>
Totally agree with that, completely.
> 45-50. Not too high like 90-100+. Just right in between. Not
> so low that listeners complain that they don't hear their
> songs enough. Not so high that it drives them out of their
> mind.
>
Totally agree with that, completely.
C
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> What do you think is the worst CHRs in the US?? I choose
> Channel 955 in Detroit and Kiss-FM in Milwaukee.
>
WHOT/ Youngstown
WYOK/ Mobile
WDDJ/ Paducah, KY
WREZ/ Paducah, KY
KSMA/ Mason City, IA
KLRS/ Chico, CA
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> Channel 955 in Detroit and Kiss-FM in Milwaukee.
>
WHOT/ Youngstown
WYOK/ Mobile
WDDJ/ Paducah, KY
WREZ/ Paducah, KY
KSMA/ Mason City, IA
KLRS/ Chico, CA
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> > WKGS Rochester (Top songs played over 120 times a week.
> Nuff
> > said)
> >
>
> So glad I'm not the only one that noticed that!
>
They've been burning their powers like this for some time. I haven't looked at their playlist in a while, but I can recall them playing their top five or six songs 100 times or more a week. I also recall two songs from 50 Cent getting 100+ spins a week. Talk about burnout!<P ID="signature">______________
"...and the countdown continues until the neanderthals that govern college football do something about their pathetic postseason."--Tim Brando, Sporting News Radio</P>
> Nuff
> > said)
> >
>
> So glad I'm not the only one that noticed that!
>
They've been burning their powers like this for some time. I haven't looked at their playlist in a while, but I can recall them playing their top five or six songs 100 times or more a week. I also recall two songs from 50 Cent getting 100+ spins a week. Talk about burnout!<P ID="signature">______________
"...and the countdown continues until the neanderthals that govern college football do something about their pathetic postseason."--Tim Brando, Sporting News Radio</P>
> > > How many spins per week do you think your ideal CHR-POP
> > > station should play their top hits ?
>
> > 65-75. It's reasonable for the format. Not too low like
> > 45-50. Not too high like 90-100+. Just right in between.
> Not
> > so low that listeners complain that they don't hear their
> > songs enough. Not so high that it drives them out of their
>
> > mind.
>
> That's reasonable. That's about 10 spins per day for the top
> hits, so they would be played about every 2.5 hours.
>
> My answer to the same question would be closer to about 55
> to 60 spins per week. I figure the top hits should be played
> no more than every 3 hours for a maximum of 8 times per
> 24-hour day.
>
> My CHR-POP station aqui en Miami - WHYI Y-100.7 - plays
> their TOP 5 or so hits an average of 110 to 115 times per
> week. Their next 5 hits generally receive between 80 to 90
> spins per week, and then no other hit gets more than 60
> spins per week. It gets a bit repetitive during the day, but
> that's what I listen to at work for 9 hours per day.
>
> THE MAJOR
>
I take it that your station would have a wider variety of music, which would be great. Maybe it's me, but it would also seem as if it would be adult-leaning since those types of stations tend to play their top powers at a lower rate.<P ID="signature">______________
"...and the countdown continues until the neanderthals that govern college football do something about their pathetic postseason."--Tim Brando, Sporting News Radio</P>
> > > station should play their top hits ?
>
> > 65-75. It's reasonable for the format. Not too low like
> > 45-50. Not too high like 90-100+. Just right in between.
> Not
> > so low that listeners complain that they don't hear their
> > songs enough. Not so high that it drives them out of their
>
> > mind.
>
> That's reasonable. That's about 10 spins per day for the top
> hits, so they would be played about every 2.5 hours.
>
> My answer to the same question would be closer to about 55
> to 60 spins per week. I figure the top hits should be played
> no more than every 3 hours for a maximum of 8 times per
> 24-hour day.
>
> My CHR-POP station aqui en Miami - WHYI Y-100.7 - plays
> their TOP 5 or so hits an average of 110 to 115 times per
> week. Their next 5 hits generally receive between 80 to 90
> spins per week, and then no other hit gets more than 60
> spins per week. It gets a bit repetitive during the day, but
> that's what I listen to at work for 9 hours per day.
>
> THE MAJOR
>
I take it that your station would have a wider variety of music, which would be great. Maybe it's me, but it would also seem as if it would be adult-leaning since those types of stations tend to play their top powers at a lower rate.<P ID="signature">______________
"...and the countdown continues until the neanderthals that govern college football do something about their pathetic postseason."--Tim Brando, Sporting News Radio</P>
I used to say KHKS/Dallas "Kiss FM" was bad then but now they're improving but still not the best. If I did have to say a worst CHR, it would have to be KELZ/San Antonio "Z106.7." I mean it's not that bad but it's the same music over and over and it's too rhythmic leaning (like one minute you hear a 50 Cent track, then it's another song that features him on the next minute).<P ID="signature">______________
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I'm putting WKHM-FM Jackson, MI on the list. It's hardly even a CHR right now. It'd be a heckuva lot better if they dayparted, which would give them room to play the tracks that they seem not to realize the market is screaming for.
I'll second the comments about WHYI. On top of their playlist being way too tight, they've canned just about anyone who has any talent, and they've left the Miami market... in the sense that they don't relect Miami at all anymore.
Another CHR that gets my thumbs-down is WKFR in Battle Creek. The music choice is terrible (though it's better than it was before the Keith Curry "era"), the morning show is in serious need of work, the rest of the jocks (with the exception of night guy Ray Thomas who continues to improve) have absolutely no personality on the air, and the processing is awful (too little highs, not enough rumble in the lows and way too much low-end midrange to the point that it sounds like a bad PA system no matter what the quality of your receiver or speakers). All in all... not the worst station out there, but most certainly not the best.<P ID="signature">______________
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I'll second the comments about WHYI. On top of their playlist being way too tight, they've canned just about anyone who has any talent, and they've left the Miami market... in the sense that they don't relect Miami at all anymore.
Another CHR that gets my thumbs-down is WKFR in Battle Creek. The music choice is terrible (though it's better than it was before the Keith Curry "era"), the morning show is in serious need of work, the rest of the jocks (with the exception of night guy Ray Thomas who continues to improve) have absolutely no personality on the air, and the processing is awful (too little highs, not enough rumble in the lows and way too much low-end midrange to the point that it sounds like a bad PA system no matter what the quality of your receiver or speakers). All in all... not the worst station out there, but most certainly not the best.<P ID="signature">______________
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> > My answer to the same question would be closer to about
> > 55 to 60 spins per week. I figure the top hits should be
> > played no more than every 3 hours for a maximum of 8
> > times per 24-hour day.
> >
> > My CHR-POP station aqui en Miami - WHYI Y-100.7 - plays
> > their TOP 5 or so hits an average of 110 to 115 times per
> > week. Their next 5 hits generally receive between 80 to 90
> > spins per week, and then no other hit gets more than 60
> > spins per week. It gets a bit repetitive during the day,
> > but that's what I listen to at work for 9 hours per day.
> I take it that your station would have a wider variety of
> music, which would be great. Maybe it's me, but it would
> also seem as if it would be adult-leaning since those types
> of stations tend to play their top powers at a lower rate.
Good observations. My CHR-POP station would definitely have a wider variety of today's hit music, but I wouldn't lay claim to it being 'adult-leaning'. I don't particularly like 'Adult Top 40' stations (or as I refer to them 'glorified HOT A.C. stations') because they don't play a large majority of today's hit music. They play the 'family friendly' hits of today and then way too many recurrents from the past.
I think I can successfully program a CHR-POP station that has a loose playlist (based more on the HOT 100 rather than the TOP 20 or even the TOP 40). I would keep the hip hop and the rap going all throughout the day alongside the pop and the rock. 'Less Repetition ... More Variety ... The MAJOR's Hit Music Channel !'
THE MAJOR
> > 55 to 60 spins per week. I figure the top hits should be
> > played no more than every 3 hours for a maximum of 8
> > times per 24-hour day.
> >
> > My CHR-POP station aqui en Miami - WHYI Y-100.7 - plays
> > their TOP 5 or so hits an average of 110 to 115 times per
> > week. Their next 5 hits generally receive between 80 to 90
> > spins per week, and then no other hit gets more than 60
> > spins per week. It gets a bit repetitive during the day,
> > but that's what I listen to at work for 9 hours per day.
> I take it that your station would have a wider variety of
> music, which would be great. Maybe it's me, but it would
> also seem as if it would be adult-leaning since those types
> of stations tend to play their top powers at a lower rate.
Good observations. My CHR-POP station would definitely have a wider variety of today's hit music, but I wouldn't lay claim to it being 'adult-leaning'. I don't particularly like 'Adult Top 40' stations (or as I refer to them 'glorified HOT A.C. stations') because they don't play a large majority of today's hit music. They play the 'family friendly' hits of today and then way too many recurrents from the past.
I think I can successfully program a CHR-POP station that has a loose playlist (based more on the HOT 100 rather than the TOP 20 or even the TOP 40). I would keep the hip hop and the rap going all throughout the day alongside the pop and the rock. 'Less Repetition ... More Variety ... The MAJOR's Hit Music Channel !'
THE MAJOR
> I'll second the comments about WHYI. On top of their
> playlist being way too tight, they've canned just about
> anyone who has any talent, and they've left the Miami
> market... in the sense that they don't relect Miami at all
> anymore.
Y-100 was an awesome station when PD Rob Roberts took it over for the 2ND time early on in 1996. During the late-1990s Y-100 literally led the nation as far as playing European-style trance and techno music and mixing it into the playlist with the pop, rock, hip hop, and rap. Many of these dance hits were hits on Y-100 first, and then Tampa's 93.3-FLZ and Orlando's XL-106.7 picked-up on them, and then a few of them eventually caught on nationwide after-the-fact.
In January 2002 PARTY-93.1 put the final nail in the coffin as far as the death of dance music on Y-100. Cascada's "Everytime We Touch" was just thrown in to their heavy rotation (over 100 spins per week) this past week ! The Y-100 of 1998 would have had it in their playlist a year ago.
THE MAJOR
> playlist being way too tight, they've canned just about
> anyone who has any talent, and they've left the Miami
> market... in the sense that they don't relect Miami at all
> anymore.
Y-100 was an awesome station when PD Rob Roberts took it over for the 2ND time early on in 1996. During the late-1990s Y-100 literally led the nation as far as playing European-style trance and techno music and mixing it into the playlist with the pop, rock, hip hop, and rap. Many of these dance hits were hits on Y-100 first, and then Tampa's 93.3-FLZ and Orlando's XL-106.7 picked-up on them, and then a few of them eventually caught on nationwide after-the-fact.
In January 2002 PARTY-93.1 put the final nail in the coffin as far as the death of dance music on Y-100. Cascada's "Everytime We Touch" was just thrown in to their heavy rotation (over 100 spins per week) this past week ! The Y-100 of 1998 would have had it in their playlist a year ago.
THE MAJOR
The answer to this question is, "it all depends"
> > WKGS Rochester (Top songs played over 120 times a week.
> Nuff
> > said)
>
> How many spins per week do you think your ideal CHR-POP
> station should play their top hits ?
>
> THE MAJOR
>
There are too many factors from market to market, cluster to cluster and station to station to answer this question...if you are in a smaller market with no competition, then less is better to help your TSL...if you are in a large/major market as the second rated CHR (KISS/Rochester isn the perfect example), the more you play the hits over & over is best because most of your cume is residual...each market is unique and each competitive situation is unique and your rotation should reflect that.
> > WKGS Rochester (Top songs played over 120 times a week.
> Nuff
> > said)
>
> How many spins per week do you think your ideal CHR-POP
> station should play their top hits ?
>
> THE MAJOR
>
There are too many factors from market to market, cluster to cluster and station to station to answer this question...if you are in a smaller market with no competition, then less is better to help your TSL...if you are in a large/major market as the second rated CHR (KISS/Rochester isn the perfect example), the more you play the hits over & over is best because most of your cume is residual...each market is unique and each competitive situation is unique and your rotation should reflect that.
> Cascada's
> "Everytime We Touch" was just thrown in to their heavy
> rotation (over 100 spins per week) this past week !
So you know, personally, what their research said about that record? Maybe there is a reason they held off on moving it to power.
This is a station I haven't monitored all that much becasue it was (is?) unique to that the market and that market is so unique itself, but I am sure their music is heavily researched and they were justified in not moving this song too quickly.
> "Everytime We Touch" was just thrown in to their heavy
> rotation (over 100 spins per week) this past week !
So you know, personally, what their research said about that record? Maybe there is a reason they held off on moving it to power.
This is a station I haven't monitored all that much becasue it was (is?) unique to that the market and that market is so unique itself, but I am sure their music is heavily researched and they were justified in not moving this song too quickly.
> > Cascada's "Everytime We Touch" was just thrown in to their heavy
> > rotation (over 100 spins per week) this past week !
> So you know, personally, what their research said about
> that record? Maybe there is a reason they held off on
> moving it to power.
>
> This is a station I haven't monitored all that much becasue
> it was (is?) unique to that the market and that market is so
> unique itself, but I am sure their music is heavily
> researched and they were justified in not moving this song
> too quickly.
Their research probably suggested that it would be best to hold-off on it until it was a TOP 10 smash nationwide. I don't know. I don't do research for Y-100. I was merely comparing the Y-100 of the late-1990s versus the Y-100 of today and then using the Cascada song as an example of what the old Y-100 would have done versus what the new Y-100 has done.
I still consider Y-100 to be my favourite South Florida radio station. In fact it's the only terrestrial station that I listen to here. I listen to '20 On 20' on XM Satellite Radio when I'm at home.
THE MAJOR
> > rotation (over 100 spins per week) this past week !
> So you know, personally, what their research said about
> that record? Maybe there is a reason they held off on
> moving it to power.
>
> This is a station I haven't monitored all that much becasue
> it was (is?) unique to that the market and that market is so
> unique itself, but I am sure their music is heavily
> researched and they were justified in not moving this song
> too quickly.
Their research probably suggested that it would be best to hold-off on it until it was a TOP 10 smash nationwide. I don't know. I don't do research for Y-100. I was merely comparing the Y-100 of the late-1990s versus the Y-100 of today and then using the Cascada song as an example of what the old Y-100 would have done versus what the new Y-100 has done.
I still consider Y-100 to be my favourite South Florida radio station. In fact it's the only terrestrial station that I listen to here. I listen to '20 On 20' on XM Satellite Radio when I'm at home.
THE MAJOR
Re: The answer to this question is, "it all depends"
> > How many spins per week do you think your ideal CHR-POP
> > station should play their top hits ?
> There are too many factors from market to market, cluster to
> cluster and station to station to answer this question...if
> you are in a smaller market with no competition, then less
> is better to help your TSL...if you are in a large/major
> market as the second rated CHR (KISS/Rochester isn the
> perfect example), the more you play the hits over & over is
> best because most of your cume is residual...each market is
> unique and each competitive situation is unique and your
> rotation should reflect that.
Well you didn't have to take the fun out of it. I was asking him / everyone else what they thought their 'ideal CHR-POP station' should sound like from a listener / fan viewpoint. I didn't ask about how a CHR-POP station from any given market could achieve the highest ratings or profit margin. If I had asked about the latter then I would totally agree with your assessment. It makes sense.
THE MAJOR
> > How many spins per week do you think your ideal CHR-POP
> > station should play their top hits ?
> There are too many factors from market to market, cluster to
> cluster and station to station to answer this question...if
> you are in a smaller market with no competition, then less
> is better to help your TSL...if you are in a large/major
> market as the second rated CHR (KISS/Rochester isn the
> perfect example), the more you play the hits over & over is
> best because most of your cume is residual...each market is
> unique and each competitive situation is unique and your
> rotation should reflect that.
Well you didn't have to take the fun out of it. I was asking him / everyone else what they thought their 'ideal CHR-POP station' should sound like from a listener / fan viewpoint. I didn't ask about how a CHR-POP station from any given market could achieve the highest ratings or profit margin. If I had asked about the latter then I would totally agree with your assessment. It makes sense.
THE MAJOR
Re: The answer to this question is, "it all depends"
> Well you didn't have to take the fun out of it. I was asking
> him / everyone else what they thought their 'ideal CHR-POP
> station' should sound like from a listener / fan viewpoint.
Sorry...excuse me for discussing radio from a radio stand-point on a radio board...lol!! Just kidding...I'll refrain from thiking like a radio guy from now on
> Well you didn't have to take the fun out of it. I was asking
> him / everyone else what they thought their 'ideal CHR-POP
> station' should sound like from a listener / fan viewpoint.
Sorry...excuse me for discussing radio from a radio stand-point on a radio board...lol!! Just kidding...I'll refrain from thiking like a radio guy from now on
Re: The answer to this question is, "it all depends"
> > Well you didn't have to take the fun out of it. I was
> > asking him / everyone else what they thought their
> > 'ideal CHR-POP station' should sound like from a
> > listener / fan viewpoint.
> Sorry...excuse me for discussing radio from a radio
> stand-point on a radio board...lol!! Just kidding...I'll
> refrain from thiking like a radio guy from now on
OK it's my turn to LOL now. There's no need to get too serious in here. When you replied to my hypothetical scenario with a serious response I just had to respond. But I actually like that too. It's good to have a nice potpourri of viewpoints in here from those of us who are fans of the biz and those of you who are the biz. Please feel free to act like a radio guy at any time !
THE MAJOR
> > Well you didn't have to take the fun out of it. I was
> > asking him / everyone else what they thought their
> > 'ideal CHR-POP station' should sound like from a
> > listener / fan viewpoint.
> Sorry...excuse me for discussing radio from a radio
> stand-point on a radio board...lol!! Just kidding...I'll
> refrain from thiking like a radio guy from now on
OK it's my turn to LOL now. There's no need to get too serious in here. When you replied to my hypothetical scenario with a serious response I just had to respond. But I actually like that too. It's good to have a nice potpourri of viewpoints in here from those of us who are fans of the biz and those of you who are the biz. Please feel free to act like a radio guy at any time !
THE MAJOR
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