Bad Stations That Need To Go

[little1]

Good ratings don't necessarily mean good stations. Why don't you add the ratings for iPods, satellite, and steaming into the equation and see the steady decline of radio over the years. It is a trend that radio ignores at its peril - at some point the majority of listening will be to stations and sources out of the market - if not already.

The majority? LOL- like I said, your very hard to take as a serious commentator. You just don't know what your talking about, do you?

But okay, let's say that satellite radio is goingto be the death of radio. XM was founded in 88, Sirius in 1990.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM_Sirius_Merger
And how badly have they killed radio in that time? They have a total of 18.5 million subscribers. Out of a total of 300 million people in the country. If my rough math works out, that's 6% of the population that even HAS a receiver. And I've got one in my new car, and only listen to it on occasion. The total number of subscribers doesn't necessarily relate to the amount of LISTENING. I've got friends who listen to Howard in the morning, and local radio the rest of the day. So even there, having a subscription to Xm/Sirius doesn't prevent someone from still consuming local radio.

And I think people like you, who just want to complain and whine for the good old days neglect to see possibilites of why IPOD or streaming usage may be up, and why that doesn't necessarily effect radio listening. I own a satellite radio, and I also own an IPOD. And it gets it's most usage in my thrice-weekly trips to the local gym. The gym where I got such crappy reception on my walkman radio that I didn't even bother to use it after the first couple of tries... Again, having one new source of programming (my IPOD) hasnt detracted from my other use of other sources (radio) because I'm using it in a different style and place.

Same with streaming. When does most streaming listening happen? (I'll answer my own question, because I seriously doubt you're ina position to know the answer).
During workdays. Sit in on a focus group or a listener panel (oh, that's right, you're not really in a position to do that and know what real listeners might actually say) and you'll find that people listen online because they can. With the spread of high speed internet, PC's on every desk, etc, there's more people listening online because there's a way for them to do it. And with headphones, often a way for them to do it without the boss knowing much about it. Where a boss might frown on a boombox blasting the local station,and employees arguing over what station should be the 'at work station', with streaming a dozen people can all listen to their own favorite station without driving their coworkers nuts.

And here's a little clue for you. the stream is encoded for PPM. If people hear it, the PPM hears it, and stations get credit in their ratings for it.
Don't believe me, go to the source.
(and by the way Moderators this is the 6+ that Arbitron says we can C&P freely without violating fair use acts
http://www.arbitron.com/radio_stations/home.htm

45t KHVN-AM Gospel 0.2 0.2 0.2
48t KWRD-FM Religious 0.1 0.1 0.1
48t KVIL-FM Stream Adult Contemporary ~~ ~~ 0.1
48t KNTU-FM Jazz 0.2 0.2 0.1
48t KLAK-FM Adult Contemporary 0.3 0.1 0.1
48t KKGM-AM Southern Gospel ~~ 0.1 0.1
48t KGGR-AM Religious 0.1 0.1 0.1
54 KFXR-AM News Talk Information ~~ ~~ 0.0
~~ KZMP-FM World Ethnic 0.1 ~~ ~~
Analysis Total 98.7 98.5 98.9
Market Total 100.0 100.0 100.0
~~ No reportable exposure to this outlet was received for one or more days during the selected survey. The outlet may have been off-air, not encoded or reported under Arbitron's Total Line Reporting procedure, with reportable exposures reported under the primary outlet.

So KVIL's stream for december did better than 5 other radio stations did broadcasting at full power. Using an antenna, a transmitter and all that stuff.
But wait, you're the one that said streaming was going to kill radio right? So in December, playing Xmas music, the point where KVIL's ratings are the highest they've been in YEARS, the streaming got a .1 That's it. a 0.1.
Yep, I can see how streaming is going to kill terrestrial radio. :

So lets see, we've got satellite radio, that still hasn't EVER made a quarterly profit, and streaming, that in a best case scenario gets a .1 rating, and that's going to kill terrestrial radio. Well, to quote Gary Coleman, what chu talking bout Willis?







(And disclaimer- I'm not writing either of those 2 mediums off, I'm just pointing out that IF things go as they are and IF radio doesn't adapt and change AT ALL, we're still talking decades before they even get in a position to topple radio from where they are at. And doesn't anybody really beleive that radio will just sit back and let that happen? 15 years ago nobody streamed their stations. then Mark Cuban figured out a way to stream IU basketball games, and a whole new industry was formed. Audionet then Broadcast.com. And now any number of imitators out there stream audio. It still requires content, presentation, etc. Stuff that radio stations used to (and some still can) excel at. Like I said, all I'm saying is don't write them off yet...

 

[scrtr84]

Ummm... Yeah.... whatever. Man did you wear out your keyboard, mashing out that lecture?

 

[salemjedi54]

Good ratings don't necessarily mean good stations. Why don't you add the ratings for iPods, satellite, and steaming into the equation and see the steady decline of radio over the years. It is a trend that radio ignores at its peril - at some point the majority of listening will be to stations and sources out of the market - if not already.

The majority? LOL- like I said, your very hard to take as a serious commentator. You just don't know what your talking about, do you?

But okay, let's say that satellite radio is goingto be the death of radio. XM was founded in 88, Sirius in 1990.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XM_Sirius_Merger
And how badly have they killed radio in that time? They have a total of 18.5 million subscribers. Out of a total of 300 million people in the country. If my rough math works out, that's 6% of the population that even HAS a receiver. And I've got one in my new car, and only listen to it on occasion. The total number of subscribers doesn't necessarily relate to the amount of LISTENING. I've got friends who listen to Howard in the morning, and local radio the rest of the day. So even there, having a subscription to Xm/Sirius doesn't prevent someone from still consuming local radio.

And I think people like you, who just want to complain and whine for the good old days neglect to see possibilites of why IPOD or streaming usage may be up, and why that doesn't necessarily effect radio listening. I own a satellite radio, and I also own an IPOD. And it gets it's most usage in my thrice-weekly trips to the local gym. The gym where I got such crappy reception on my walkman radio that I didn't even bother to use it after the first couple of tries... Again, having one new source of programming (my IPOD) hasnt detracted from my other use of other sources (radio) because I'm using it in a different style and place.

Same with streaming. When does most streaming listening happen? (I'll answer my own question, because I seriously doubt you're ina position to know the answer).
During workdays. Sit in on a focus group or a listener panel (oh, that's right, you're not really in a position to do that and know what real listeners might actually say) and you'll find that people listen online because they can. With the spread of high speed internet, PC's on every desk, etc, there's more people listening online because there's a way for them to do it. And with headphones, often a way for them to do it without the boss knowing much about it. Where a boss might frown on a boombox blasting the local station,and employees arguing over what station should be the 'at work station', with streaming a dozen people can all listen to their own favorite station without driving their coworkers nuts.

And here's a little clue for you. the stream is encoded for PPM. If people hear it, the PPM hears it, and stations get credit in their ratings for it.
Don't believe me, go to the source.
(and by the way Moderators this is the 6+ that Arbitron says we can C&P freely without violating fair use acts
http://www.arbitron.com/radio_stations/home.htm

45t KHVN-AM Gospel 0.2 0.2 0.2
48t KWRD-FM Religious 0.1 0.1 0.1
48t KVIL-FM Stream Adult Contemporary ~~ ~~ 0.1
48t KNTU-FM Jazz 0.2 0.2 0.1
48t KLAK-FM Adult Contemporary 0.3 0.1 0.1
48t KKGM-AM Southern Gospel ~~ 0.1 0.1
48t KGGR-AM Religious 0.1 0.1 0.1
54 KFXR-AM News Talk Information ~~ ~~ 0.0
~~ KZMP-FM World Ethnic 0.1 ~~ ~~
Analysis Total 98.7 98.5 98.9
Market Total 100.0 100.0 100.0
~~ No reportable exposure to this outlet was received for one or more days during the selected survey. The outlet may have been off-air, not encoded or reported under Arbitron's Total Line Reporting procedure, with reportable exposures reported under the primary outlet.

So KVIL's stream for december did better than 5 other radio stations did broadcasting at full power. Using an antenna, a transmitter and all that stuff.
But wait, you're the one that said streaming was going to kill radio right? So in December, playing Xmas music, the point where KVIL's ratings are the highest they've been in YEARS, the streaming got a .1 That's it. a 0.1.
Yep, I can see how streaming is going to kill terrestrial radio. :

So lets see, we've got satellite radio, that still hasn't EVER made a quarterly profit, and streaming, that in a best case scenario gets a .1 rating, and that's going to kill terrestrial radio. Well, to quote Gary Coleman, what chu talking bout Willis?







(And disclaimer- I'm not writing either of those 2 mediums off, I'm just pointing out that IF things go as they are and IF radio doesn't adapt and change AT ALL, we're still talking decades before they even get in a position to topple radio from where they are at. And doesn't anybody really beleive that radio will just sit back and let that happen? 15 years ago nobody streamed their stations. then Mark Cuban figured out a way to stream IU basketball games, and a whole new industry was formed. Audionet then Broadcast.com. And now any number of imitators out there stream audio. It still requires content, presentation, etc. Stuff that radio stations used to (and some still can) excel at. Like I said, all I'm saying is don't write them off yet...

Thanks Little 1. I have XM in my car as well(for about 4 more months, then my free subscription ends). The majority of the time I listen to KKDA and KTCK in the car. I turn on the XM on weekends OR when I want to hear smooth jazz or if I want to hear Matt Pinto call Oklahoma City Thunder Basketball.

 

[little1]

Ummm... Yeah.... whatever. Man did you wear out your keyboard, mashing out that lecture?

Im just tired of people who don't have a clue claiming that radio is being killed by Sirius-XM or by streaming that have NOTHING to back that up. Not saying that radio isn't having problems. It's got issues.

But so does satradio, for example, they have NEVER made a profit. Insurance companies used to LOVE owning radio stations because they were revenue generators. XM and Sirius had such flawed business plans that they had to merge to remain viable. And yet they're still issuing more stock to raise cash and try to pay off debt.

And they've got a plan that doesn't really allow them to sell ads. that's one of their marketing angles, right? Commercial free music? At some pointthey may HAVE to start selling ads. Then their problem becomes one of ratings. They don't have any.

Take that 18 million subscriber base. divide that up into how many hours a day people can listen. Let's ignore overnights and say 6a-mid. That's a million people an hour IF everyone who owns a radio is listening, which obviously isn't going to happen. Guess as to how many of those people are listening in any given hour. 10%? 20%?

Now take that 100k-200K people and divide it over 100-200 stations. And realists realize just how few people are actually listening to satellite radio at any given time. I'm sure some formats do better than others. Like Howard. But how many stations do they have that have few people listening?

And then consider the fact that KVIL's cume in December was ~2million people. One station, playing one format in one market had as many listeners in a month as 1/9th of ALL of Sirius/XM's listeners over a year. And Sirius/XM is killing terrestrial radio? If so, how long will it take them to do it? I've heard of the thousnad year reich. Is this the thousand year plan?

 

[radioisalive]

Never mind being killed by satellite or ipods. How about bad programming? For example, KLIF is a joke. They only have 2 local guys with the morning guy being ok at best and the afternoon guy being a pompous know it all who just rambles on and on. I think he just likes to hear himself talk. There has to be some good talk radio out there with people who know what they are actually talking about. And it's not just talk, but other formats as well. Radio is still alive! But it needs a lot of help to stay that way. But other stations that need a lot of help or just the plug pulled is The Bone, Lite 103.5, and Jack FM.

 

[little1]

Never mind being killed by satellite or ipods. How about bad programming? For example, KLIF is a joke. They only have 2 local guys with the morning guy being ok at best and the afternoon guy being a pompous know it all who just rambles on and on. I think he just likes to hear himself talk. There has to be some good talk radio out there with people who know what they are actually talking about. And it's not just talk, but other formats as well. Radio is still alive! But it needs a lot of help to stay that way. But other stations that need a lot of help or just the plug pulled is The Bone, Lite 103.5, and Jack FM.

I think the Bone got caught with their pants down by PPM. They were adding more new music and then PPM comes along and the number adult station is KZPS. So know they're desperatley trying to pivot back and go after the lead dog.

As for KLIF, I think part of the problem is that there's just so MUCH talk out there. Hearing about the Ticket's 15th anniversary reminded me that when they went on, Hitzges was doing morning sports, Galloway afternoon on 820 , and that was about it. WBAP wasn't as "talky" as they are now, KRLD was much more all news, KSKY wasnt talk, KERA played more music, etc etc. An audience that used to be split a couple of ways is now being split in half format wise (sports AND talk) and being split up 7 or more ways. KTCK-ESPN, Fan, KRLD, WBAp, KLIF, Ksky, Kera, KKDA-Am, etc

Everyone complains about how radio listening is down, but there's also many more stations available that there were even 10-15 years ago. That has to have an effect on overall ratings. We're just taking listeners and spreading them over more outlets...

 

[greencougar7]

Yeah those stations that weren't around 15 years ago: call letter changes, format changes (anyone lost count yet?) Like I said one can spin the numbers all they want and sell the sizzle before seeing the steak is burnt. Some have careers of spinning numbers nad usually working for politicians or some other form of government. Satellite radio has become infected with the corporate management that caused a disabling disease in terrestrial stations, this time the name is "Mel". Thus its growth is hampered ,and the playlists are being cut . Thats what you get when you merge, quality goes out,attractiveness fades. Lite FM's success over the period of one month with holiday music doesn't equal much success in the length of a year.. Competition is so fragmented, and shaky with with cuts here, there in a rapid fire state of panic. We saw it coming, when CC was swallowing stations like soup, then CBS, etc. It was in the name of saving poor performing stations.

So how are they doing?

 

[TheRover]

What would we do without radio ? ? ?

Where would we get all those commericals :

" Men -- are you unrintaing more frequently ? ? "

" Has Credit Card Debt got you drowning ? ? "

It's "Bad" station Owners that need to go.

Whatever happend to all of those "hearings" the FCC was having around the country, to get input from "the people" (and the conglomerate plants....) about rule and ownershiop changes, and the effects of consolidation for artists and listeners.....

 

[johnqdoe]

Ummm... Yeah.... whatever. Man did you wear out your keyboard, mashing out that lecture?

Im just tired of people who don't have a clue claiming that radio is being killed by Sirius-XM or by streaming that have NOTHING to back that up. Not saying that radio isn't having problems. It's got issues.

But so does satradio, for example, they have NEVER made a profit. Insurance companies used to LOVE owning radio stations because they were revenue generators. XM and Sirius had such flawed business plans that they had to merge to remain viable. And yet they're still issuing more stock to raise cash and try to pay off debt.

And they've got a plan that doesn't really allow them to sell ads. that's one of their marketing angles, right? Commercial free music? At some pointthey may HAVE to start selling ads. Then their problem becomes one of ratings. They don't have any.

Take that 18 million subscriber base. divide that up into how many hours a day people can listen. Let's ignore overnights and say 6a-mid. That's a million people an hour IF everyone who owns a radio is listening, which obviously isn't going to happen. Guess as to how many of those people are listening in any given hour. 10%? 20%?

Now take that 100k-200K people and divide it over 100-200 stations. And realists realize just how few people are actually listening to satellite radio at any given time. I'm sure some formats do better than others. Like Howard. But how many stations do they have that have few people listening?

And then consider the fact that KVIL's cume in December was ~2million people. One station, playing one format in one market had as many listeners in a month as 1/9th of ALL of Sirius/XM's listeners over a year. And Sirius/XM is killing terrestrial radio? If so, how long will it take them to do it? I've heard of the thousnad year reich. Is this the thousand year plan?

My thoughts EXACTLY on Sat Radio.

 

[greencougar7]

Satellite radio had a very good promising hope then you got Mel Karmazin coming in with Ex CBS employees alongwith a CBS mind set after the merge thus sub standard fare. It sounded better before he screwed with it and XM was growing, but terrestrial radio AE's , managers, consultants, owners will spin the numbers to show that wasn't the case. Nothing like objectivity. AT&T maybe satellites hope now.

 

[Butterbean]

Since we've changed the subject from stations that need to go and replaced it with stations that we'd create. I'd like to bring back the alternative talk format that Live 105.3 used to be.

I'm not saying that I would bring Russ back, even though I did like listening to him. But I would like Jagger, K-Scott and Greg Hill give opinions on something besides if LeBron James will be making his way to the Mavs in 2010 for 3 straight days, BDH, and then have syndicated shows on over night.

I'm right there with you. For the life of me, I'll never understand a person who can tolerate sports talk all the way through a show. Only because there was a small promise by Jagger that the other shows wont be entirely about sports, I left my radio on, but not once did the new shows break away to talk about politics, entertainment, sex, etc. Why wasn't it working to have a variety of talk on one station? As Outlaw said, it was fun.

 

[Butterbean]

What would we do without radio ? ? ?

Where would we get all those commericals :

" Men -- are you unrintaing more frequently ? ? "

" Has Credit Card Debt got you drowning ? ? "

It's "Bad" station Owners that need to go.

Whatever happend to all of those "hearings" the FCC was having around the country, to get input from "the people" (and the conglomerate plants....) about rule and ownershiop changes, and the effects of consolidation for artists and listeners.....

You forgot that one commercial:

"Tell them about the discounts, Harry."

"Tell them about the discounts, HARRY."

"HARRYYYYY!!!"
ugh!

 

[adub]

Stations To Go: K104, The Beat, KSOC and KRNB

K104 Even my 18 yr old granddaughter thinks the are SILLY
The Beat (See K104)
KSOC: S/b a dead stick. RADIO LIKE POLITICS IS ALL LOCAL. Joyner/AM & Baisden/PM are network auto-jocks with no connections on-air to Dallas
KRNB: The novelty has worn off Steve Harvey and now the only good thing at the station is gone Skip Murphy. They say it's new & old school r & b but its just a mish mash of mess.

My stations would be1) Local, (2) Music Driven (3) Promotionally Relevant
KNOK-FM A real mix of Old and New School R&B 60/40
KGOD-FM In Yo Face HOTT Black Gospel. No Preaching.
KNOK-AM Black Talk (Local and National) 70/30
KDIC-FM Hip-Hop w/ no jocks just music (if thats what you call it) BIG STREET IMAGE

The demo synergy w/b killa since it's 750K African-Americans in D/FW

Anybody got a hundred million for my dream. I'll pay you back in 30 years.

 

[kzewdude]

I'd add KSKY and Cliff to the list. Just let 'em go dark.

 

[TheRover]

Whether it's on their Main HD channels, or one of their sub-HD channels, it seems all the corporations are willing to try is Classic Rock, and the narrow predictive playlist they bring.

Yeah.... like DFE needs 3 or 4 stations playing the same Classic Rock songs ? ? ? ?

What B-U-N-K ! The sad state of Radio !

Innovation along with Music Playlists IS NOT PART OF 21ST CENTURY TERRESTIAL RADIO..

Thanks Morons !!

 

[scrtr84]

Whether it's on their Main HD channels, or one of their sub-HD channels, it seems all the corporations are willing to try is Classic Rock, and the narrow predictive playlist they bring.

Yeah.... like DFE needs 3 or 4 stations playing the same Classic Rock songs ? ? ? ?

What B-U-N-K ! The sad state of Radio !

Innovation along with Music Playlists IS NOT PART OF 21ST CENTURY TERRESTIAL RADIO..

Thanks Morons !!

You're welcome. ;D

 

[rbrucecarter5]

Whether it's on their Main HD channels, or one of their sub-HD channels, it seems all the corporations are willing to try is Classic Rock, and the narrow predictive playlist they bring.

Yeah.... like DFE needs 3 or 4 stations playing the same Classic Rock songs ? ? ? ?

What B-U-N-K ! The sad state of Radio !

Innovation along with Music Playlists IS NOT PART OF 21ST CENTURY TERRESTIAL RADIO..

Thanks Morons !!

You're welcome. ;D

Bad stations that need to get gone?

All of the translators that recently signed on! 92.9, 102.5, 95.9 - unnecessary, intrusive, and limit the diversity of choices on the dial. Others that need to go - recent stations on AM like 700, 850. Real snore fests.

 

[salemjedi54]

Whether it's on their Main HD channels, or one of their sub-HD channels, it seems all the corporations are willing to try is Classic Rock, and the narrow predictive playlist they bring.

Yeah.... like DFE needs 3 or 4 stations playing the same Classic Rock songs ? ? ? ?

What B-U-N-K ! The sad state of Radio !

Innovation along with Music Playlists IS NOT PART OF 21ST CENTURY TERRESTIAL RADIO..

Thanks Morons !!

You're welcome. ;D

Bad stations that need to get gone?

All of the translators that recently signed on! 92.9, 102.5, 95.9 - unnecessary, intrusive, and limit the diversity of choices on the dial. Others that need to go - recent stations on AM like 700, 850. Real snore fests.

You are the one who wants to limit diversity. If I remember correctly in another post you dislike:

Gospel
News/Talk
Sports
Country
and another one I can't remember at this time.

You want a translator shut down because a broadcasting entity legally found a way give the majority of its listeners a chance to hear a station after it has to go off the air.

 

[salemjedi54]

Stations To Go: K104, The Beat, KSOC and KRNB

KSOC: S/b a dead stick. RADIO LIKE POLITICS IS ALL LOCAL. Joyner/AM & Baisden/PM are network auto-jocks with no connections on-air to Dallas

They both have connections to Dallas. Have you forgotten that Joyner worked at KKDA and KKDA-FM? Baisden lived here for a time and I know he wrote at least 2 of his books here and they were made in to stage plays here.

 

[rbrucecarter5]

You are the one who wants to limit diversity. If I remember correctly in another post you dislike:

Gospel
News/Talk
Sports
Country
and another one I can't remember at this time.

Those formats, and Spanish language, probably represent 70% of the signals in the area. 4 formats on 70% of the stations is not diversity, any more than 4 classic rock stations is diversity. More stations chasing the same group of people dilutes the audience for all of them, and in this time of economic uncertainty, there will be casualties of that type of madness.

Add to the list of idiots ten Christian stations all programming to the over 50 crowd. Like your KMAD crusher.