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BBC License Fee - Gone - 2027

All due respect, then, it's very hard to have an intelligent discussion about this topic without a firm grounding in the BBC's unique history and all the remarkable services it provides, in ways that are completely alien to anyone who's only experienced American commercial broadcasting and our very limited public broadcasting system.
Much of the BBC's DNA comes from the century-long tradition and heritage that covers four or five generations of folks in the UK. If one looks at the BBC's ratings performance* vs. the commercial offerings, we see that the BBC is a reflection of everything that England is that makes it right different from those of us on this side of the pond.

* Perhaps Chris Huff can give us a synopsis of how high a percentage of viewing and listening goes to them.
 
Those of us who are longtime BBC World Service Radio fans will be keeping a close eye on the budget situation. While I think BBCWS will continue as an online service as well as satellite fed programming for local stations around the world, the money squeeze may force some hard (and overdue) decisions on the future of its shortwave distribution. While some very limited SW output might survive aimed at a few areas, I can see big cuts on the way for the rest of what is left of the BBC's SW output.
 
I guess it's the same old same old - if the content (radio or TV) is good quality, advertisers would likely want to support it, so does it need license fee/gov support?
There is only so much advertising revenue to go around. Currently, the BBC takes none of it. If it suddenly went from taking 0% to, for argument's sale, 50% of the UK's broadcast advertising revenue, what impact do you think that would have on existing commercial TV and radio broadcasters such as ITV, Global Radio, etc?
 
* Perhaps Chris Huff can give us a synopsis of how high a percentage of viewing and listening goes to them.
I can't help with TV, but the radio shares are as follows: BBC 50.9; commercial radio 47.1; other radio (which includes community LPFMs, internet-only radio, overseas radio, pirate radio etc) 2.1. Source is RAJAR.

BBC radio has the benefit of an extensive FM transmission network covering every nook and cranny of the UK. Most of the commercial FM networks (e.g. Heart) grew from buyouts of groups of local and regional stations and are more patchy. The digital playing field is more level - although the BBC does cover more remote rural areas than the commercial DAB network. Incidentally, digital listening (including DAB and online) is now a majority of listening. Only 34% of listening is via FM/AM now.
 
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I'm sure BBC will get funding in other ways or maybe get underwriters to make up the lost licence fees.
 
I think that underwriting as practiced in US noncommercial broadcasting is a foreign concept in the UK.
It's a pretty uniquely US concept, and a weird one at that.

The original concept of educational broadcasting didn't include underwriting or listener support. It was purely a public service from educational institutions.

Listener support came along with Pacifica in the 1950s. Underwriting came not much later, and was meant to be limited to strictly a mention of the supporter's name. Several PBS stations pushed to broaden the underwriting guidelines in the 1980s, and they succeeded... but it's still a sort of regulatory netherworld in which the FCC has never put out really clear guidance.

Many other nations, including Canada, have license categories in which stations we'd think of as "public" or "college" radio can run actual advertising, albeit usually with tight limits on how many minutes an hour.

In any event, it's hard to imagine the BBC running US-style underwriting in any way that would cover even a fraction of what the license fee revenue brings in.
 
In any event, it's hard to imagine the BBC running US-style underwriting in any way that would cover even a fraction of what the license fee revenue brings in.
And some of the BBC productions are so costly that it would be unlikely that contributions alone could cover them, even in a much larger nation. Instead, we get shows about social misfits placed on an island or in a jungle so we can see how they try to undo each other.
 
Instead, we get shows about social misfits placed on an island or in a jungle so we can see how they try to undo each other.
CBS: We don't have any good reality tv show ideas, so let's put pre-teens in the desert and have them fight for surivial, and then let's put random people in the Caribbean and call it "Survivor".
 
Far from closing services, BBC have launched one of their previously online-only TV services onto broadcast TV, with some wonderfully weird idents and promos:


 
No, I haven't, was to Belgium in 1989-05, a few BBC channels were on the hotel cable TV system (and of course, the 50Hz flicker made TV viewing very pleasant).

I guess it's the same old same old - if the content (radio or TV) is good quality, advertisers would likely want to support it, so does it need license fee/gov support?


Kirk Bayne

That flicker always took me quite a bit of getting used to. It's not there anymore with DTV.

I was in Brugge (Bruges) in 2010 and they carried at least a couple of BBC channels on the cable.
 
^^^
...people tend to underestimate how much the BBC is part of their daily routines.


Kirk Bayne
That's the monopoly for you. On the radio side, the BBC effectively outlawed its competition ("commercial interests", as they called it) until the 1970's. I would bet the story is similar for TV. Sadly, the Britons just have never experienced much "choice" until those restrictions are lifted, and so they are under the impression that the BBC is some sort of deity. This is fueled by entire generations who, in fact, had no other options but to watch the BBC, and the network could continue to be fed by the British government as much as they wanted. In the US, we accuse the media of being misleading, and we hold them accountable. In the UK, the BBC has only itself to consult before publishing stories, and they have been responsible for so many hoaxes (such as the Spaghetti growing on trees prank), and yet the BBC is not just above the law, they are the law.

It's the practical equivalent of if PBS/NPR suddenly decided to broadcast whatever format they felt like, and then require a license to receive that content, and then saying that anyone running a commercial operation (like ABC/CBS/FOX/NBC, for example) without the permission of the PBS should be shut down. Now imagine that Bachelorette, Young Sheldon, Chicago PD, and Masterchef was all ran on PBS, probably with some changes to appease the station and the government. There would likely be 7-10 stations labeled as PBS, and that would be the only reliable way to recieve content. On the radio side, we would see NPR probably having quite a few subchannels, with translators all over the band, and they would play all sorts of music. Although it sounds like a good thing, the reality is that this alternate NPR would've ran out the other stations like the BBC did, and if there was any other stations, it would probably be a conglomerate who runs it. (In London, as an example, KISS, Classic FM, Talk-Sport, and others are all massive corporations that the government made excptions for. Only recently has individuals been able to put a station on air, and the story behind "Radio Jackie" on 107.8 is a great testament to how the small people won their rights). So in a world where NPR was all-ruling, an Audacy and an iheartradio would crop up late in the game, and they would still be at the whims of NPR. (Remember that in the real world, NPR wants to screw over Franken FM's. If the US went the way of the UK, the Franken FM'S would be wiped off the map decades ago.)

Considering that analogy, we can see how the BBC has truly brainwashed its own audience. As so long as these people continue to be complacent on the matter, the BBC will always raise new generations to continue "supporting" the service. Not to mention that the BBC has a pretty good deal: Speak highly of their government, and the government will have the BBC'S back every single time.

Now, it's not all bad, because at least government ran stations usually have some standards as to programming, so the quality is usually okay. Considering that a government funded network like the BBC has a rather unlimited supply of assets and cash, they will always have enough funding (which is precisely why it's so hard to go up against them with your own station) to keep the shows on air.

However, we must look at the UK, and your article, Kirk, as a cautionary tale. Make a population dependent on you, and you can play puppets with the entire country. On top of that, the BBC (much like the UK itself) spans globally, and tries to be an influence on much of the Eastern Hemisphere.
I would use the BBC as much in the UK as Global and Bauer, in terms of radio. For television, BBC as much as ITV and Channel 4. Its just a part of you at the end of the day.
There's a difference between choice (which is what you have), and living under the weight of the BBC. I like their programming too, and would choose to watch it in my hotel room, or listen to it on their radio, but "it's a part of you" sounds like an excuse to let them have their way with the British. One must remember thar residents (hence the title of this thread) actually pays a license fee directly to the NBC to even own a TV, and if you don't have a TV (or pretend that you don't), you are investigated quite quickly to ensure that the BBC gets their cash from as many people as possible.

It really is quite the revelation that in 2027, nearly 68 million Brits will see for the first time what we Americans have enjoyed for decades. Now for those of you who are tempted to mention taxes, well both the US and the UK collect tax-revenue, and yet the UK still has that license on top of the taxes. Here, you pay out to the federal government, who may divert some of those funds to NPR/PBS as needed, but across the pond, the BBC is so big that they profit off of ridiculous choke-points.
 
Looking over this thread, I'll stick by my thoughts in post #8, after all, the BBC started with a single radio network, they can go back to that [Retro BBC ;) ].

The BBC could put the single news/talk/sports audio network (a rebirth of the original BBC National Programme) on both high power AM and FM to try to attain near ubiquitous coverage, people without devices to look at the associated video could go to a local public library to see it.


Kirk Bayne
 
However, we must look at the UK, and your article, Kirk, as a cautionary tale. Make a population dependent on you, and you can play puppets with the entire country. On top of that, the BBC (much like the UK itself) spans globally, and tries to be an influence on much of the Eastern Hemisphere.

Keep in mind that when the BBC began, the British Empire was much of the Eastern Hemisphere. That was their world.

The US had this option in the 1920s and Calvin Coolidge said no.
 
I will never forget my first dose of BBC TV.

In the mid-80's I made my first biz trip to the UK. The flight arrived about 0600 on a Sunday morning and nothing, and I mean NOTHING, was open even at Heathrow. I rented my car and drove the hour to Swindon and checked into my hotel. Since I had gotten a relatively good night's sleep on the trip over I was now wide awake and flipped the telly on. There was one channel broadcasting. It was the BBC and the program was half a dozen people sitting on a picnic table in a park bird watching. Yes, BIRD WATCHING!
 
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