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Beat, River trading frequencies in Austin

I dont think seacrest is still on that station.

and its a top 5 station now in the ratings. say what you want, but its doing great, on a weak signal
 
dallasboyz said:
I dont think seacrest is still on that station.

and its a top 5 station now in the ratings. say what you want, but its doing great, on a weak signal
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They only win by default since there is nothing else for the kids to listen to. I promise you if another station came into town people would jump ship with the quickness.
 
they key word there is "if". If there was another A/C magic would lose a ton of listeners as well. (Mix isnt an A/C)

the truth and facts are that The Beat is a top 5 station. and they are doing it completely jockless. Which shows you that a music station doesnt need DJs to succeed.
 
MisterRadio said:
The bottom line on this is which signal is best in Austin proper. 105.9 is a strong signal all the way North to Dallas...
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All the way north to Dallas? Not even close. Why hasn't anyone jumped all over this guy yet? JD? Fred Cantu? I'm surprised either of you let this one slip by without a reply.
 
It's funny how this station keeps being brought up... It sucks point blank, and so do most Rhythmic stations, because all the do is play what Kiss is playing with a few more hip hop a little less pop and about 10 recurrents that you hear everyday like they are new but are really 5-15 years old....

Real Hip Hop Stations are found in bigger markets, Austin had Hot933 and Emmis cut that unfortunately; and must I add Emmis is one of the only companies that runs a clean, good sounding Rhythmic station.. The Beat in San Antonio ughhhh, yea they might have ratings but the programming has been the same since the debut back in 2000 their imaging sounds like it was put in a washing machine and it just doesn't represent the sound that this size market should be having from a hip hop station....

But back to the Beat of Austin, If Clear Channel converted it to be similar to it's KMEL station which has hours of just jockless music playing I think it would be extremely successful.... Or even a sound similar to Wild 94.9 in the Bay, those stations (CC) are what you call real Hip Hop or Rhythmic stations....
 
what defines "real" except for your opinion? it plays rhythmic music. is monitored on the rhythmic chart.

Looks to me like The Beat is as real as it gets. and is successful as well.
 
dallasboyz said:
what defines "real" except for your opinion? it plays rhythmic music. is monitored on the rhythmic chart.

Looks to me like The Beat is as real as it gets. and is successful as well.
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Once again I would have to disagree. Think about it... if you are a teenager and don't like pop music, what else is there to listen to? Nothing. They are only "successful" because there are no other stations that play a small amount of music that KISS doesn't play.

I think they sound too top 40ish to call themselves a Hip Hop station.
 
dallasboyz said:
dont let facts get in the way of your argument Dominique.
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You are right. Unless competition came in there is really no way to tell for sure.
 
Labels are an interesting thing. Stations will call themselves whatever they feel will sell. Recall how every Top 40 used to call itself the Rock of (fill in the town.)
 
dallasboyz said:
what defines "real" except for your opinion? it plays rhythmic music. is monitored on the rhythmic chart.

Looks to me like The Beat is as real as it gets. and is successful as well.
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Well obviously you haven't experienced good RHYTHMIC or HIP HOP Radio because if you put KBBT and or 1059 The Beat in a major city they would goooooo DOWN HILL!!! And I'm not completely sure but when I looked at Arbitron's new PPM ratings or whatever it's called I don't recall seeing The Beat at the top....

If you know anything about the real Hip Hop audience then you'd know that the majority of them in the San Antonio area or any area for that matter don't tune into the Hip Hop stations of their city because they don't represent Hip Hop correctly....

When you go to the smaller cities of the south or when you're looking once again at Urban Hip Hop stations the playlist represents "REAL" Hip Hop and the listeners are stronger as far as true Hip Hop listeners goes....
 
prodigy3 said:
dallasboyz said:
what defines "real" except for your opinion? it plays rhythmic music. is monitored on the rhythmic chart.

Looks to me like The Beat is as real as it gets. and is successful as well.
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Well obviously you haven't experienced good RHYTHMIC or HIP HOP Radio because if you put KBBT and or 1059 The Beat in a major city they would goooooo DOWN HILL!!! And I'm not completely sure but when I looked at Arbitron's new PPM ratings or whatever it's called I don't recall seeing The Beat at the top....

If you know anything about the real Hip Hop audience then you'd know that the majority of them in the San Antonio area or any area for that matter don't tune into the Hip Hop stations of their city because they don't represent Hip Hop correctly....

When you go to the smaller cities of the south or when you're looking once again at Urban Hip Hop stations the playlist represents "REAL" Hip Hop and the listeners are stronger as far as true Hip Hop listeners goes....
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Agreed. Both Beats are just rhythmic/hip-hop top 40 stations. They're packaged and imaged like top 40 radio. Most cities and small towns with a large African-American population will have "real" hip hop stations with imaging geared towards African-American listeners.
 
prodigy3 said:
dallasboyz said:
what defines "real" except for your opinion? it plays rhythmic music. is monitored on the rhythmic chart.

Looks to me like The Beat is as real as it gets. and is successful as well.
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Well obviously you haven't experienced good RHYTHMIC or HIP HOP Radio because if you put KBBT and or 1059 The Beat in a major city they would goooooo DOWN HILL!!! And I'm not completely sure but when I looked at Arbitron's new PPM ratings or whatever it's called I don't recall seeing The Beat at the top....

If you know anything about the real Hip Hop audience then you'd know that the majority of them in the San Antonio area or any area for that matter don't tune into the Hip Hop stations of their city because they don't represent Hip Hop correctly....

When you go to the smaller cities of the south or when you're looking once again at Urban Hip Hop stations the playlist represents "REAL" Hip Hop and the listeners are stronger as far as true Hip Hop listeners goes....
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You do realize that if The Beat would sound anything similar to The Box-Houston it would be complete failure in either SA or Austin....right? The demos in either market are not enough to support what YOU consider a true Hip Hop station.
 
saradio1 said:
You do realize that if The Beat would sound anything similar to The Box-Houston it would be complete failure in either SA or Austin....right? The demos in either market are not enough to support what YOU consider a true Hip Hop station.
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Well I haven't seen it done so I don't know if you could say that it would be a failure, nor is it safe to say that The Box in Houston is a great example of a good sounding Hip Hop station....

I do know that Party 104.9 and 93.3 both sounded similar (actually the same) as the Beat (SA) and other than the fact that their signal was horrible, Houston didn't respond to them as well either, and I think it's safe to say that Houston has a close or equal amount of hispanics that tuned into Party 93.3 as SA does to 98.5... But if San Antonio had a Hip Hop station that was targeted more towards the African Americans and if it was done correctly then the Beat would most definitely have a run for it's money..
 
Houston and San Antonio are totally different Hispanic markets. Most of SA's Hispanics are homegrown, some families predating Texas itself, whereas Houston has a huge immigrant population. You couldn't possibly use the same music and presentation to reach these two very different Hispanic audiences.
 
The last several post all make some great points.

prodigy3 said:
if you put KBBT and or 1059 The Beat in a major city they would goooooo DOWN HILL!!! And I'm not completely sure but when I looked at Arbitron's new PPM ratings or whatever it's called I don't recall seeing The Beat at the top....

If you know anything about the real Hip Hop audience then you'd know that the majority of them in the San Antonio area or any area for that matter don't tune into the Hip Hop stations of their city because they don't represent Hip Hop correctly....

When you go to the smaller cities of the south or when you're looking once again at Urban Hip Hop stations the playlist represents "REAL" Hip Hop and the listeners are stronger as far as true Hip Hop listeners goes....
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**applause**

sdh483 said:
Agreed. Both Beats are just rhythmic/hip-hop top 40 stations. They're packaged and imaged like top 40 radio. Most cities and small towns with a large African-American population will have "real" hip hop stations with imaging geared towards African-American listeners.
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I agree however 98.5 in San Antonio can get away with that since their target demo is most Hispanic and not African American.

fredcantu said:
Houston and San Antonio are totally different Hispanic markets. Most of SA's Hispanics are homegrown, some families predating Texas itself, whereas Houston has a huge immigrant population. You couldn't possibly use the same music and presentation to reach these two very different Hispanic audiences.
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Hit the nail on the head.

I would also like to add that if you honestly think about it.... if you take a true urban station and a rhy station the music doesn't differ very much. A urban will play mostly what a rhy will play yet toss in maybe a dozen additional more urban songs. And on top of that maybe take out a dozen poppy songs a rhy station would play. So having said that... is there honestly such a thing as a "real true" Hip Hop station?
 
DominiqueRadio said:
The last several post all make some great points.

I would also like to add that if you honestly think about it.... if you take a true urban station and a rhy station the music doesn't differ very much. A urban will play mostly what a rhy will play yet toss in maybe a dozen additional more urban songs. And on top of that maybe take out a dozen poppy songs a rhy station would play. So having said that... is there honestly such a thing as a "real true" Hip Hop station?
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Very true, in my opinion a true Hip Hop station would fit the Urban format only because the genre itself isn't "Pop" at all, it does suck that Rhythmic is that mixture of Urban and Top-40 because there are so many songs that Urban stations are playing that I will never hear (or will 10 months later) in San Antonio... I love radio (I'm 18) and I wish I lived in a market with a respectable hip hop station.. Or at least some viriety, like there is no need to have two Rhythmics they should've made Power an Urban station! ;D ;D ;D
 
the same reason that some top 40s lean rock. and some lean rhythmic. and some lean dance.

is the same reason that the Beat isnt ghetto. There isnt enough "ghetto" in austin to support it.

The Beat is a real Rhythmic station.

your other arguments are asinine.
 
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