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Best Christian station

MikefromDelaware said:
My favorite online Christian radio stations: Lutheran Public Radio for wonderful sacred music of the church. From Gregorian Chant to modern day hymns. They don't do praise and worship or CCM, etc. ONLY hymns and ancient sacred music. http://lutheranpublicradio.org/

Second one is: Lutheran Public Radio's talk programs call Issues, Etc. http://issuesetc.org/ They discuss all sorts of church history, church related, bible related, issues of today, etc.

Wow - diverse tastes here! But that is fine, we'll all meet in heaven. I'm glad there is streaming for every taste - that breaks monopolies of format and taste that existed before the internet - and lets every single member of the body of Christ get exactly the music and teaching they need to draw them closer to Christ.
 
rbrucecarter5 said:
I'm glad there is streaming for every taste - that breaks monopolies of format and taste that existed before the internet - and lets every single member of the body of Christ get exactly the music and teaching they need to draw them closer to Christ.

My thanks to Mike for making me aware of these two streams. I want to listen and see how they handle the task.

Streaming is good news and bad news when you back off and look at the "big picture". The positive side is what Bruce observes: We can all have access to what is... for us... the very best. The bad news is that the gullible listener has no face-to-face contact with streaming sources to help them decide who are the good guys and who are the bad guys. There will be no write-ups in the local paper evaluating the resource the way we find articles about local churches or radio stations.

I think we can trust the Lutherans behind these two streams. But what about streams that may be operated by the Ku Klux Klan, operated by political nit-wits, etc. A generation-and-a-half ago we worried about the Moonies kidnapping our children and brainwashing them religiously. Today via the Internet and streaming, our children and other family members can be "spiritually kidnapped" right under our noses.

Or maybe our children have to worry that WE may be kidnapped!
 
Just for clarification, Lutheran Public Radio, I believe is independent of the denomination, but seems to follow Lutheran Church Missouri Synod teachings (LCMS) - more conservative vs (ELCA) Evangelical Lutheran Church of America - the more liberal of the two Synod's.
 
Goat Rodeo Cowboy said:
Or maybe our children have to worry that WE may be kidnapped!

Except for obvious - abusive cults - the type that are violating the law anyway ---

Maybe we quit worrying at all over somebody else's doctrine and musical tastes and just concentrate on our own relationship with Jesus Christ, make sure we have our own spiritual house in order. Our God is a mighty big God, who seems to be gracious enough to meet everybody at their exact point of need. While headbanding to Christian rock may be somebody's definition of hell, it is somebody's definition of heavenly music. While singing hymns and chants may be a Christian headbanger's definition of hell, it is somebody else's definition of heavenly music. Both are absolutely correct - it depends on where God is reaching them in their own life. And no doubt the devil has many types of music prepared as punishment in his domain.
 
I like the music on Lutheran Public Radio a lot and may listen to it in addition to other classical stations. Thanks for the link as I had never heard of it. I listen to classical music mostly now and that's what they play. I no longer care for loud music as I am in my 40's. CCM is too loud for me anymore. A lot of ccm is just a drum beat track. After going a year and a half without listening to ccm it no longer appeals to me.
 
Love those thoughts Mr. Brian sir. They were well thought out. I'm also in my 40s and still going strong. Still working on getting a LPFM station going here. Have plans to see it through should God allow it to happen. May not do the CCM format after all. Leaning towards doing something like Olivebridge New York based Redeemer Radio. Most of the CCM that's out now is getting very boring and bland for me. Classical music is very pretty and awesome. Like the way these timeless composers present themselves. May go that route should my own dream work out. Want to help clean my hometown up, lead lost souls to Jesus and do the will of God with this new radio station. Just to have something work out, will be a wonderful blessing indeed. Should God want me to do a Redeemer Radio presentation, I can easily adjust to that type of broadcast. I want this radio station to be obedient to the will of God first of all. I don't want this outlet to be my own personal jukebox. Want it to carry the songs and programming, God has picked out for me. Hence the reason why I may fish for Redeemer should things work out. I believe God may be leading me in that direction after all.

R.D.P. <><

P.S. Since I started doing missionary work for my home church and writing for God, I've seen many doors open for me. I want to see many more open, as I carry on with my work for Him.
 
R.D.P. said:
Want it to carry the songs and programming, God has picked out for me. Hence the reason why I may fish for Redeemer should things work out. I believe God may be leading me in that direction after all.

Obviously, you have to go where the Lord leads you. But I won't be making the trip out for the station launch. My vision is narrowly focused on reaching lost young people for Jesus Christ, and this new direction won't achieve that goal.
 
RDP,
I have to ask is this REALLY God's will to just do more of the same in Selma? Perhaps the teaching will be better, but young people will still be ignored.

I'll admit my taste in Christian music leans more toward classic CCM now, but sometimes it takes someone with a vision to reach young people for Christ, even if it isn't the type of music you prefer. Don't give up on CCM unless you know beyond any doubt that door has closed.
 
Still seeking God's Will on this. 

Plan on following His lead, should things work out.

Would like to do CCM but not sure if God wants me to do it.

Want to obey Him and see this thing all the way to the finish line.

R.D.P. <><
 
R.D.P. said:
Still seeking God's Will on this.

Plan on following His lead, should things work out.

Would like to do CCM but not sure if God wants me to do it.

Want to obey Him and see this thing all the way to the finish line.

R.D.P. <><

I feel like I might have been a bit harsh in the last post. I just see young people - the future leaders of the church - keep getting ignored and getting the shaft from broadcasters who either (1) don't give a darn about young people - or (2) want to play it "safe" and insure a steady stream of income from preachers with checks to broadcast sermons - or (3) have an undercurrent that hymns are somehow "holier" or "more Christian" than Christian rock and hip-hop. Its going to be your station, do what you want. It takes a special person, with a lot of faith, to weather the storms of protest against Christian rock. And - you either love and have a burden for young people - or you don't.

My advice, if you want it, is to focus on the area of ministry you want to focus on - and do not deviate from that focus. God gave you the vision for Christian rock at some point. He does not make mistakes, and I'd advise sticking to the vision - because he gave you that burden for a reason. Any distraction of focus on that vision is probably the devil not wanting God's plan to come to pass. Satan will do ANYTHING to keep young people out of the church so future membership will dwindle. Satan's not going to attack mature believers, he is going straight for the kids - just turn on MTV or a secular hip-hop station if you want to see satan's work. For over 30 years, God has given me the vision to help bring lost young people into the church. I have not deviated from his plan for one moment - in spite of attacks from the enemy from every direction, even other believers. Whether it is av1611.org, or a station owner with mood swings due to diabetes, or an irate anti-CCM type brandishing a weapon, or judgementalism from other "ministers" on the station, someone cussing out our phone volunteers because they didn't like the music (one call out of 7000) - satan has used primarily people in the church to attack the vision. Now days I am concentrating on good, family television more than radio - because Hosanna Integrity praise and worship pretty much won. Kids lost. My vision is still young people, I just am having more luck in Hollywood than I am on the air. And guess what? Someone (satan again) attacked me there. One of the little girls in a youth group had a show called "Wizards of Waverly Place". Sweetest little thing in the world, loves Jesus, wants to live for him. Some twit was all bent out of shape over the "Wizards" aspect of the show. I told them I would put Selena's walk with the Lord up against her walk with the Lord any day, by any standard - scriptures memorized, time in prayer, church attendance, etc. Because I know Selena I told her I would get her on the phone - right then - and she could rant to Selena - not me - the way Matthew 18 says. She sheepishly declined. But - I digress. What have I done in Christian radio lately? Well, satan got his way, Hosanna Integrity won, young people lost. That's it. I don't have an opening for radio right now. I'm believing God that when the time is right, I'll have a station. You can bet I won't be swayed by somebody saying "hymns are holier" or "you ought to have preaching" or "kids should be challenged to be spiritually mature and like only church music". Those are satan's distractions - trying to re-direct my focus. I'm not buying it. My vision was given to me from the Lord, I shall not fail in that vision no matter what the circumstances are - or how many "Job's friends" give me bad advice. I will not betray young people for money, or somebody else's vision of what my ministry to kids ought to be. I will stay the course, not deviating to the left or to the right, not being blown around by winds of doctrine blown at me from all directions. The Lord wants kids saved, and hymns and radio preachers aren't getting the job done. Time to go where the Lord is moving, and leave the lukewarm praise and worship, outdated music behind.

Just my two cents worth.
 
Bruce,
I've meant to ask you about this before, but I've seen the name Bruce Carter in credits on some Disney shows. Is that you?
 
If you're talking about Selma, AL, allow me to suggest you take a close look at the demographics of the community.
 
Hence the reason why I may do CCM by Day and the harder stuff by Night, after all.

Unless God tells me to do differently I will more than likely do just that.

My musical tastes are all over the map but CCM is where my heart really and truly is.

R.D.P. <><
 
R.D.P. said:
Hence the reason why I may do CCM by Day and the harder stuff by Night, after all.

Unless God tells me to do differently I will more than likely do just that.

My musical tastes are all over the map but CCM is where my heart really and truly is.

R.D.P. <><

Forgive me if you find this question to be out of line, but why do you want to limit yourself to programming to less than 30 percent of the Selma and Dallas County population?
 
brian.marchand said:
I like the music on Lutheran Public Radio a lot and may listen to it in addition to other classical stations. Thanks for the link as I had never heard of it. I listen to classical music mostly now and that's what they play. I no longer care for loud music as I am in my 40's. CCM is too loud for me anymore. A lot of ccm is just a drum beat track. After going a year and a half without listening to ccm it no longer appeals to me.

Thanks Brian, glad you're enjoying Lutheran Public Radio. I came across it a couple of months ago. I really am blessed with the music, it is unique and can't be found anywhere on the radio that I've found. I also enjoy the talk format, interesting discussions.

There is some discussion here about reaching the young by CCM. However, there are young folks who also like Classical Music, so a station like Lutheran Public Radio can be used to reach those young folks, after all you said you're in your 40's. OK, that's not 20, but not a senior citizen either, you're still young and if you like this music, think how many others in their 40's may like it, as other folks who are older. There probably are also some 20 somethings who like Classical Music too. God the can both CCM and Classical Music to bring people to his throne of grace.
 
MikefromDelaware said:
There is some discussion here about reaching the young by CCM. However, there are young folks who also like Classical Music, so a station like Lutheran Public Radio can be used to reach those young folks, after all you said you're in your 40's. OK, that's not 20, but not a senior citizen either, you're still young and if you like this music, think how many others in their 40's may like it, as other folks who are older. There probably are also some 20 somethings who like Classical Music too. God the can both CCM and Classical Music to bring people to his throne of grace.

I'm probably one of the main ones who leads that discussion. First of all, I'll say I am 58, and I like classical music (although admittedly along with other more youthful genre's). Church wise - I go to Lakewood in Houston (yeah, bring on the flame war, but listen to one of his sermons and see if you can find any heresy first). Anyway - the service you see on TV is preceded by an hour or so of vigorous music I'd call Hosanna Integrity amp'd up. Personally, I miss the old hymns and would rather hear them than Hosanna Integrity anything. That is me, that is church music in the church.

Radio is entirely different. Like it or not, all radio is a business by its very nature. That means it has to make a profit. There are realities of bills that need to be paid. That doesn't mean it can't also be a ministry, and balancing the two can be heart rending and force you into directions you don't feel are of God.

As far as young people are concerned, you either love young people or you don't. Loving them mean accepting them where they are, just as Christ accepts people where they are. If you want to win a lost person, you meet them at their point of need - young or old. That is what Christ did - he didn't try to fit someone into a mold, he went to the tax collectors house, got to the point. The woman at the well, he met her and got to the point. Persons lowered through roofs, touching his garment - each and every time he got straight to the heart of the issue, met the need, and didn't waste time with doctrinal matters, etc.

I do believe there is a tiny minority of young people who prefer classical. Assuming young people are pretty much similar to adult counterparts, and give ratings for stations like WRR around the country, the percentage is probably around 1.5%. As far as Christian music is concerned, in large, contemporary churches that can afford to have two services - one contemporary and one traditional, the contemporary is packed with young people, while older people are in the traditional service. There is a smattering of young people in the audience of traditional services, as there are of older people in contemporary services. But there is a reason why there are two services available. A large percentage of the young people in the contemporary service would simply not attend traditional, and vice versa.

If there was a massive Christian audience somewhere - say a major city - and an available frequency, I would encourage somebody to try a "young classical" or "youthful hymns" format. It might be expected to reach 1.5% of the young people. But - that would leave 98.5% unserved by that station. In an area of limited resources, if there are only a few stations on the air, and fewer Christians - you have the realities of demographics. There is a lot of discussion about EMF coming into Houston and Dallas - and what their potential audience would be. Those discussions are based on the reality that the vast majority of young people will NOT listen to traditional hymns on the radio. Furthermore, the demographics are trending younger and younger, and in the secular radio arena, "oldies" are being abandoned in favor of younger formats. So it is with hymns and now praise and worship, even traditional CCM. Station owners are faced with an audience that is going to contemporary services while traditional service attendance continues to decrease. I have already seen two churches in my area flip the services, with contemporary getting the larger facility and best time, while traditional service is now held in what used to be the "youth room". I expect that trend to continue and accelerate.

Bottom line, even in a smaller market like Selma, there are young people. Adults dont' stop having kids no matter what the market. A decision needs to be made based on audience needs. If adults are covered by a Christian station that leans traditional, you can bet the vast majority of kids aren't listening to it. And a large percentage of younger adults, too. So if a second frequency is available, the most efficient thing to do is program it younger. I am sorry if it seems like a numbers game, but it is. There is a format hole, you fill it, and reach as many people as you can for Christ that aren't being reached presently. If 30% of the demographics want Lutheran radio classical, you better play it. But if 30% of the demographic is young people who presently listen to secular, then that is the audience. Percentage wise, I don't see young people (1) listening to hymns and (2) attending Lutheran churches. You would really limit your potential audience going that direction. And people are probably sick of my equation: Listeners = ratings = donatioins = potential salvations. Smart money is on Christian rock in an area already served by traditional Christian. EMF bet 6 million on that in Houston and estimates return on investment in 12 to 18 months with Air-1, so they just bet 7 million on meeting the same need in Dallas. Listeners in Houston get music between praise and worship on KSBJ and Christian rock on NGEN. Houston is well served with traditional as well. So there was a hole. Dallas is well served with CCM on KLTY and Christian rock on KVRK, so EMF fills the gap between CCM and Christian rock again with Air-1. Dallas is also saturated with traditional Christian stations. Who wins? EMF pays their bills and makes a profit - but of more importance is people who weren't served by existing stations are now served.

I think there is room for a Christian rock station to reach out to 1.5% of young people who are classical fans. Perhaps sponsoring a concert for them, or - shudder - an HD subchannel. Maybe even Lutheran on HD-2, those who are interested can probably and probably will go to the extra trouble for HD radio.
 
I rank that as one of your better posts, Bruce. Very thoughtful.

Let me offer a couple of random responses.

It is hard to analyze the "competition" between churches and the competition between radio stations for audiences, but we do it regularly, we learn some things from the comparison, but we can walk ourselves into a bear-trap if we make the comparisons poorly.

I would suggest that only mature, established congregations can or should venture into worship services with contemporary music in one and traditional music in the other. The churches that are gathering a lot of attention and study are these newly established congregations who do not play by the handbook written by some denomination 42 years ago. Just as in radio where we don't sign on these days with two hours of country music and farm news followed by three hours of "housewife music", followed by a noon hour of trading post, and afternoon of big band and an evening of rock, why would a church ever try to establish a pattern of "multiple formats". Yes, if you have a church with a 100 year history, and members who are from families prominent in that church for five generations now, you have a collection of people who are going to debate worship style for the rest of eternity. (Eternity is then described as the length of time you can avoid the eventual church split. ;D )

Your description of worship at your church emphasises another difference in formats. You speak of the length of time devoted to music that does not show up as part of the broadcast that the public (and those of us in distant places) does not see. The majority of people in church in America today are still attending worship services that are "come and gone" in 60 minutes. That includes time for announcements, time once a month for the children's choir to come in and sing, time to "pass the plate", time to have communion, time to recognize the visitors, and be out the door in 60 minutes.

I don't know how long that format will continue to exist... but it does. Christian radio includes some stations with formats that are as dated as the worship I just described.... and again... I don't know how long that broadcast format will continue to exist, but it does.

I'm not convinced there is only one way to properly "program" a worship service. I'm not convinced there is only one way to properly "program" Christian radio.

We are often too quick to put each other down in these forums for having different ideas. Thank you for your post that demonstrates that we can have meaningful discussion about Christian radio. Now. If you can develop the formula for us that allows for discussion of different church styles and theology.......... ::)
 
I live in the Northeast, a liberal blue state, where the Vice President, our former Senator, quite often finds ways to embarrass our state by his gaffes in the national media. We have NO traditional Christian stations in Delaware. There is one from Lancaster PA that doesn't come in well (WDAC). Yet there are numerous CCM stations and Urban Gospel stations. The only station that played Christian classical music was Family Radio (but of course that also came with the rantings of Harold Camping making this not a good choice). Family sold their Philly FM (refused to sell it to any Christian station - I believe Redeemer Radio had their eye on it) so it now is a right wing off the satellite talker with some mediocre local hosts too. So Delaware, especially the Wilmington metro area really does need a more traditional Christian station. So Lutheran Public Radio (online) and Redeemer Radio (online) are options, but not available in the car with OTA Radio.

I realize you guys probably live in Red states that are in the Bible Belt, so you've probably got tons of traditional Christian stations and due to the larger fundamentalist population in those states, probably few to none CCM stations. So I believe our situations are reversed. So I can understand rbrucecharter5's push for a local CCM in his town or Selma. Here in Wilmington DE, we need a Lutheran Public Radio or Redeemer Radio on the radio dial.
 
MikefromDelaware said:
I realize you guys probably live in Red states that are in the Bible Belt, so you've probably got tons of traditional Christian stations and due to the larger fundamentalist population in those states, probably few to none CCM stations.

In some ways, you suppose incorrectly. ;D

In rural counties in the South where an individual can purchase a floundering station for a reasonable price, you find an eclectic mixture of religious formats representing the personal whims of Deacon Smith who was able to round up $200,000 in cash and loans and become a religious broadcaster.

In our cities where only "significant capital" can acquire a station, all bets are off.

Where is it written that fundamentalism and CCM are incompatible as room mates?
 
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