Big City FM

[argytunes]

Reggae....like rap, hip-hop or every other format....will have its supporters as well as its detractors!

Some people are upset because BIG CITY RADIO is a pirate!

But let's get down to cases...if the FCC wants to regulate...they ought to take a look at how many of their own rules that they've broken (thanks to a private individual slipping 'em a little money under the table to look the other way).

If the FCC put its own house in order....perhaps the pirates would take them more seriously? But like so many "businesses"----I'm willing to bet there are members of the FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION who have been "bought" several times over?

Of course...most of us rarely hear about those types of transactions? :

If broadcasting is a "public trust"----how many members of the FCC can actually be trusted? Are the actions of its members accountable to ANYBODY?

Face it---MOST RADIO STATIONSwant to be left alone! So the owners or corporate groups pay the outrageous fees and get a license renewel. And as long as the check doesn't bounce, the commission is happy to look the other way!

argytunes

 

[dumber than a box of hair]

But let's get down to cases...if the FCC wants to regulate...they ought to take a look at how many of their own rules that they've broken (thanks to a private individual slipping 'em a little money under the table to look the other way).

You have proof of an FCC commissioner on the take? Let's see it!

If the FCC put its own house in order....perhaps the pirates would take them more seriously? But like so many "businesses"----I'm willing to bet there are members of the FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION who have been "bought" several times over?

Of course...most of us rarely hear about those types of transactions? :

If broadcasting is a "public trust"----how many members of the FCC can actually be trusted? Are the actions of its members accountable to ANYBODY?

Face it---MOST RADIO STATIONSwant to be left alone! So the owners or corporate groups pay the outrageous fees and get a license renewel. And as long as the check doesn't bounce, the commission is happy to look the other way!

Yep. It's all a huge conspiracy. They're all crooked liars on the take. Sure. In fact, here's the web page which proves that the FCC routinely looks the other way as long as the checks don't bounce: http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/

If you had left it at "they don't know what they're doing" or "they're just tin gods playing with people's livelihoods" or "they're attempting to rewrite the laws of physics," you might have been more credible. The bottom line here, however, is that regardless of how corrupt, stupid or inept they are, they are still the law in matters of mass communication. Pirates aren't the deepest of thinkers. They don't fire up transmitters as a protest based on some fervently held intellectual view of government. They do it because they know they won't be caught for quite a while. They do it because they know there are too many of them for the FCC to effectively corral in a short period of time. I'd bet a good percentage of them know perfectly well that they're breaking the law. Let's not ascribe lofty motives to these bozos where none exist.

FCC commissioners are government officials, appointed by the President with the approval of the Senate, and are barred by statute from having a financial interest in any industry or company they regulate. In fact, they are also barred by statute from having another job while serving on the Commission. They are subject to all federal statutes regarding ethical conduct in public office, and can be removed by impeachment. The FCC was created by an act of Congress, and is responsible for enforcing many of the laws Congress passes regarding telecommunications. So much for "not accountable."

 

[argytunes]

Dumber than a box of a hair...

I'll ask you to the same question you asked me...

CAN YOU PROVE THAT ALL MEMBERS OF THE FCC ARE ACCOUNTABLE AND NOT "ON THE TAKE?" Does anybody have the courage to look into the commission itself. Or should we just "take a spoonful of sugar while the medicine goes down?"

I'll willing to bet you believe in the tooth fairy too?

argytunes

 

[TSBench]

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Re: Big City FM
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Dumber than a box of a hair...
I'll ask you to the same question you asked me...
CAN YOU PROVE THAT ALL MEMBERS OF THE FCC ARE ACCOUNTABLE AND NOT "ON THE TAKE?"

Are you actually asking someone to prove a negative? Yikes. That is a rhetorical tactic usually restricted to alien abduction researchers, not serious people (although, if you get skilled enough at it, somewhere down the line it could lead to a fill-in gig on AM Coast to Coast.)

Regards,
TSB

 

[argytunes]

TSB....

Like all bureaucracies....and THE FCC definitely falls under the category of PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY! However, this has often taken a back seat to the rules that have been in place since the creation of radio! The rules aren't adhered to because the FCC assumes that the majority of the public doesn't give a S**T----which they don't!

Maybe this is the reason broadcasting has become so stagnant...and that the "pirate radio stations" are out to plunder as much as they can get away with?

Many of the FCC players have been on the take for so long---that wanna-be Captain Kidd's feel they have the right to take their share radio booty too?

argytunes

 

[dumber than a box of hair]

Dumber than a box of a hair...

I'll ask you to the same question you asked me...

CAN YOU PROVE THAT ALL MEMBERS OF THE FCC ARE ACCOUNTABLE AND NOT "ON THE TAKE?" Does anybody have the courage to look into the commission itself. Or should we just "take a spoonful of sugar while the medicine goes down?"

I'll willing to bet you believe in the tooth fairy too?

argytunes

Sorry, but you don't get to turn your allegations back on me. YOU are the one who said they're crooked. Prove it. We're waiting.

 

[TSBench]

TSB....

Like all bureaucracies....and THE FCC definitely falls under the category of PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY!

Aaaawww....spare me the non-responsive, patronizing BS. I've forgotten more about this stuff than you've ever known.

My comment was concerning the fact that no serious person asks anyone to prove a negative.

Now, if you have some real, specific, honest-to-God, facts that back up your assertions, just lay them out. If you can't, we can just assume your don't have any.

Regards,
TSB

 

[dumber than a box of hair]

The rules aren't adhered to because the FCC assumes that the majority of the public doesn't give a S**T----which they don't!...Many of the FCC players have been on the take for so long---that wanna-be Captain Kidd's feel they have the right to take their share radio booty too?

Again, let's see the proof of your fantasies...er, allegations. Apparently you can dish it out just fine, but fold like a piece of paper when asked to prove it.

 

[argytunes]

TS and D.T.A.B.O.H...

If you would like to provide the funding for a documentary on investigative reports concerning FCC members (past and present)---write me the check!

YOU CAN'T PROVE ME WRONG AND I'M NOT BEING BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY A RADIO STATION OR A CORPORATE GROUP!

So if you want me to contribute specifics...pay me for my time!

Otherwise, I'm just as entitled to utter my 2 cents as anybody else who contributes to these boards! I know I'm not the only person who has questions regarding FCC operations...even though (unlike most people) I'm not afraid to bring the subject up! :

argytunes

 

[WLYNWAZNgm]

Put up or shut up. Let's see your cards. My guess is that, maybe, at best, you have a pair of deuces... There is no conspiracy , nor is there a commie hiding under every bush... (pun intended)

 

[TSBench]

If you would like to provide the funding for a documentary on investigative reports concerning FCC members (past and present)---write me the check!

Ummm...and I thought the usual sequence was research first, post second.

YOU CAN'T PROVE ME WRONG AND I'M NOT BEING BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY A RADIO STATION OR A CORPORATE GROUP!

I guess this answers my query about whether you had any facts. A long way to walk to find out the store was closed.
By the way, I might actually pay you if you could point me to a radio station or corporate group which would pay me to post here. Might make posting to the terminally obtuse worthwhile.

So if you want me to contribute specifics...pay me for my time!

If you don't have any 'specifics', just what, exactly, did you base your post on? See my previous comment on the correct sequence.

Otherwise, I'm just as entitled to utter my 2 cents as anybody else who contributes to these boards!

As Daniel Patrick Moynihan once said, "you're entitled to your own opinions, not your own facts." I assume you're also familiar with the comment concerning what opinions are like and worth

Thanks for clearing this all up.

Regards,
TSB

 

[argytunes]

And there are still babies who cry when their rattles are taken away!

PROVE ME WRONG WHEN IT COMES TO ANY BUSINESS...and the FCC is a business and the potential for one or two of its members to accept a bribe? :

argytunes

 

[WLYNWAZNgm]

The pathetic thing is that you actually believe that... What a bad joke...
Bottom line is that no legitimate advertisers want anything to do with rap.
It spawns violence, gangstas, and thugs. It has already ruined the music business -
let's just hope that it does not do the same to the radio business - a business that
you, obviously, have never worked in, and no nothing about...

 

[in3media_be1]

Some of the posts from this thread have been moved to TAKE IT OUTSIDE

http://www.radio-info.com/smf/index.php/topic,79292.msg582258.html#msg582258

 

[rapking]

The pathetic thing is that you actually believe that... What a bad joke...
Bottom line is that no legitimate advertisers want anything to do with rap.
It spawns violence, gangstas, and thugs. It has already ruined the music business -
let's just hope that it does not do the same to the radio business - a business that
you, obviously, have never worked in, and no nothing about...

Turn your TV on, Checkout that new Dunkin' Donuts Commercial ( Hip Hop producer J.D. ) , Hillshire Farm Commercial ( You Hungry ,yeah You Hungry ) , Mcdonalds Wrap Commercial. Clear Channel, Viacom ( MTV,BET, and WBCN Owner ) and other radio owners , made millions from that Crap Music ( as you call it ) . Maybe your Boss ( if you have a job in radio ) got Phat pockets, from Rap Music . The Bottom line is that you hate rap music .

 

[WLYNWAZNgm]

rap is junk

Yes, I do. If there is no melody, no instruments, and the "artist" can't even carry a tune,
it hardly desreves to be called "music" in the first place...

I have worked in both radio and TV professionally for over 20 years. I would bet the rent check
that you have not. Your qualifications to comment about ANYTHING reagrding the broadcast BUSINESS
are what, exactly?

 

[TSBench]

Turn your TV on, Checkout that new Dunkin' Donuts Commercial ( Hip Hop producer J.D. ) , Hillshire Farm Commercial ( You Hungry ,yeah You Hungry ) , Mcdonalds Wrap Commercial. Clear Channel, Viacom ( MTV,BET, and WBCN Owner ) and other radio owners , made millions from that Crap Music ( as you call it ) . Maybe your Boss ( if you have a job in radio ) got Phat pockets, from Rap Music . The Bottom line is that you hate rap music .

Yes, I have absolutely no doubt that he hates Rap. The big problem for Rap is that even the people who like it don't like it.

CD sales are in free fall, but Rap is leading the way. Rap sales are down 45% since 2000, fell 21% in 2006, and are down an astonishing 33% in 2007. Pollstar, which tracks concerts and includes Rap-Hip Hop-R&B as a single entity, shows only one act, Beyonce (#24) in the 2007 Top 50, and Beyonce is essentially R&B.

In the music biz (of which CDs are still over 90% of it) the two major disaster areas are Rap and Classical. Classical was destroyed by the record companies, Rap was done in by the music and artists themselves, proving, it seems, that the public's appetite for misogynistic, violent, repetitive, talent-free, one-trick-ponies isn't insatiable.

Western civilization saves itself once again.

Regards,
TSB

 

[rapking]

Turn your TV on, Checkout that new Dunkin' Donuts Commercial ( Hip Hop producer J.D. ) , Hillshire Farm Commercial ( You Hungry ,yeah You Hungry ) , Mcdonalds Wrap Commercial. Clear Channel, Viacom ( MTV,BET, and WBCN Owner ) and other radio owners , made millions from that Crap Music ( as you call it ) . Maybe your Boss ( if you have a job in radio ) got Phat pockets, from Rap Music . The Bottom line is that you hate rap music .

Yes, I have absolutely no doubt that he hates Rap. The big problem for Rap is that even the people who like it don't like it.

CD sales are in free fall, but Rap is leading the way. Rap sales are down 45% since 2000, fell 21% in 2006, and are down an astonishing 33% in 2007. Pollstar, which tracks concerts and includes Rap-Hip Hop-R&B as a single entity, shows only one act, Beyonce (#24) in the 2007 Top 50, and Beyonce is essentially R&B.

In the music biz (of which CDs are still over 90% of it) the two major disaster areas are Rap and Classical. Classical was destroyed by the record companies, Rap was done in by the music and artists themselves, proving, it seems, that the public's appetite for misogynistic, violent, repetitive, talent-free, one-trick-ponies isn't insatiable.

Western civilization saves itself once again.

Regards,
TSB

Why buy CD's when you can download music for free ( CD'S are so 90's)?

 

[TSBench]

Why buy CD's when you can download music for free ( CD'S are so 90's)?

That wouldn't reduce the decline relative to the other genres, since all music is subject to free downloads. And, since Rap doesn't seem to be very popular on legal downloads, the percentage fall would actually be greater than the SoundScan numbers would make it seem. All the survey information seems to show that downloads of any type are still a small part of the equation. Just to pull a tune off the top of my head, I wouldn't be surprised if more people downloaded (paid and free) the cut "How to Save a Life" than all the rap songs combined.

Personally, I wish all Rap was downloaded for free. In fact, I'd encourage it. Nothing will make Rap vanish faster than destroying the viability of the labels and impoverishing the rappers. Get to it!

Regards,
TSB

 

[Signpost]

Yes, I do. If there is no melody, no instruments, and the "artist" can't even carry a tune,
it hardly desreves to be called "music" in the first place...

I give you credit for bravely speaking your mind. Personally, I wouldn't indict a genre of music that's very popular with a demographic you obviously aren't in.

I hate active rock as much as you hate rap - hated it when i was playing it on an active rock station. I also hate soft AC - but you'd never know it while i talked up that mass produced schmaltz. When i was in elementary school, my dad hated when I listened to the Beatles, the Doors, the Rolling Stones.. as much as you hate rap, for pretty much the same (perceived) reasons. He claimed there was no talent behind "rock" music.

My point is, commercial success in music usually invokes the lowest common denominator. I was glad when "rap" music became popular, because finally the generations could once again be musically divided. Parents aren't supposed to like the music their 14 year olds are listening to, are they?