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Billie Eilish on Alt-Rock Stations

If radio competition is even that viable anymore, I could potentially see a fork in the format. Indie-pop learning Alt-Rockers morphing into a Modern-AC like format, while more rock-oriented Alt Rockers becoming the face of Modern Rock. Especially since the same thing happened back in the 90's.

The 90's you ask? Well, back in 1993, the burgeoning Modern Rock format was going through an identity crisis. Grunge was the popular new rock by this point, but not all Modern Rock stations wanted to truly embrace grunge. This was especially true of heritage Modern Rockers dating back to the 80's, such as WOXY 97x Cinncinatti and WDRE 92.7 Long Island. The synth-pop/ post-punk basis of the format was still in place by in 1993, with top 5 singles going to such outwardly songs as Kite by Nick Heyward (Yes, the guy from Haircut 100 had a top 5 alt-rock hit in 1993), The The, Kate Bush, Bjork and so on. The electronic-bias the format had at the time was so strong, even ambient and world music would obtain extensive airplay on alt-rcokers. Deep Forest, the Beloved, Engima and Enya each had Modern Rock hits between 1992 and 1994, with the Enya and Enigma singles hitting as high as #3 and #2 on the format.

By mid-1994, this was starting to change. By this point, even most of the heritage alt-rockers started emphasizing grunge, even if not giving much airplay to the rougher sounds of Alice in Chains, while preferring the more mainstream PJ, Nirvana and STP records. Newer Alt-Rock stations, such as WJRR Orlando, focused purely on the Rock side of Alternative. While others, such as WDRE, WOXY and 99X Atlanta, trended towards females and limited airplay to hard-rock that wasn't too abrasive. KROQ in L.A was somewhere in-between. While KROQ did play RATM, Alice and Chains and even Metallica, the station still played a good deal of what be considered considered indie-pop if it came out today (such as Tori Amos).

In 1995, Grunge strengthened its dominance within alt radio. While this worked well for stations like KROQ, which saw its best ratings since the early 80's, this didn't go over well with stations like WDRE. WDRE was on thin-ice with some of their older listeners that preferred Siouxsie and the Banshees and Depeche Mode over what was current rock. While most Alt-rockers could agree on Nirvana, Pearl Jam and R.E.M, artists that weren't of the elite status were played on the discretion of what audience a station was trying to reach. Artists like Alanis Morissette, Better then Ezra, Toad the Wet Sprocket and so on were favored on older, female-skewing stations. On the other end, RATM, Korn, AiC, White Zombie came to dominate the more Active-skewing side of the format. Some Alt-rockers more on the female-leaning side even played Melissa Etheridge and Hootie and the Blowfish, while Guns N Roses showed up on the active side.

By 1996, the contrast between the two sides of the format became so much that a new-format was created in its wake. That year, WDRE got its WLIR call letters back. Without changing the playlist too much, 92.7 the Island was launched. The Island launched with a new format known as Modern AC. While WLIR still played new alternative, the station steered clear of anything that was too hard. New artists on the station included Alanis Morrisette, Sarah McLachlan, Better than Ezra, as well as new releases from heritage new wave artists. While most alt-rockers only played 1-2 80's and hour by 1996, most Modern AC's played 4-6 an hour. WLIR also had specialty dance programming on Saturday nights, carrying on the 80's electronic tradition through the new millennium.

During this time, even the mighty KROQ got a new Modern-AC competitor. Cross-town rival KYSR Star 98.7 ditched most pop music from its playlists, and in its place put together a light, older-skewing alternative format. Strangely enough, such hard-rocking but older KROQ staples, such as Dramarama's "Anything, Anything", found a new life on KYSR's 80's-heavy playlist.

Indie-pop has been seeing a lot of crossover success over at Top 40. Which means, sooner or later, a backlash will develop. To some degree, the recent stagnation of alt-chart mirrors 1993. The Lemonheads, a jangle pop band that sounded more at home on 80's college stations, than on 90's rock stations, topped the alt chart for a record breaking 9 weeks during the later part of that year. Six months later, Pearl Jam had their 1st number one hit, while Elvis Costello had his last charting hit. New Order and Tears of Fears topped the charts in mid-1993, by late 1994, it was the Offspring, Green Day, with Bush around the corner. Maybe, just maybe, the over-saturation of older-style alternative music was just enough reason for programmers to finally ditch Morrissey and the Ocean Blue for Soundgarden and STP. Then afterwards, the lingering demand for older alternative artists would become the key selling point to the Modern AC and Adult Alternative formats.
 
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If radio competition is even that viable anymore, I could potentially see a fork in the format. Indie-pop learning Alt-Rockers morphing into a Modern-AC like format, while more rock-oriented Alt Rockers becoming the face of Modern Rock.

I'm not sure the music could sustain another split. If anything it needs to consolidate into something that attracts enough attention for the musicians to make a living. The way rock has balkanized has really hurt the business, and its hurt the music. Everyone is just driving in their own lanes. That's what's exciting about Ed Sheeren going out and using his fame to bring together different musicians in a room and coming up with something new. There's not enough of that.
 
I'm not sure the music could sustain another split. If anything it needs to consolidate into something that attracts enough attention for the musicians to make a living. The way rock has balkanized has really hurt the business, and its hurt the music. Everyone is just driving in their own lanes. That's what's exciting about Ed Sheeren going out and using his fame to bring together different musicians in a room and coming up with something new. There's not enough of that.

I'm not sure if consolidation is possible considering how far apart the main three formats are apart at the moment, and adult contemporary has shed most semblances of its rock-based past over this decade. Consolidation could have been possible back in the 2000's or even the early 2010's when Active and Alternative were constantly crossing over between each other (note that as late as 2013 "Radioactive" by Imagine Dragons just barely missed the top 10 on Active). Nowadays, I can't really see it.

AAA has become more indie rock friendly the last five years, playing a lot of artists that had hits on alt in the early 2010's. The current #1 on AAA is by Hozier, who, despite having a #1 on alt in 2014 with "Take Me To Church", has been unable to get any significant alt airplay for "Almost (Sweet Music)". Not to mention that The Black Keys had "Lo/Hi" peak at #1 for longer on both AAA and Active than on Alternative, where it only lasted for a single week.

If anything, I think it's possible that Alternative may become a solely pop-based format as the 2020's kick into gear, AAA winds up becoming what most of us would consider to be a traditional Alternative Rock format, and whoever doesn't fit in on AAA gets bumped to Active. This is, of course, pending some unforeseen development that takes alternative by storm.

Before you think I'm crazy, my local AAA station, WXRT, has been playing Nirvana, Matthew Sweet, Offspring, Pearl Jam, White Stripes, Royal Blood, Nothing But Thieves, and even tried out one of the gentler Chevelle tracks ("Letter to a Thief"). All of this is material WXRT wouldn't have dreamed of touching even five years ago.
 
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Macattack, I thought someone like Matthew Sweet would have gotten at least some airplay on AAA, even going back in time. I know back in the 90's, the local AAA station were I lived as a child, WHPT, 102.5 The Point in Tampa played Matthew Sweet, as well as acoustic versions of popular Grunge songs. Then again, looking back the station did more of a Modern Rock lean compared to other AAA stations. Back before the mid- 2010's, it seems that AAA preferred more of your rootsy, soft rock fare, preferring not to touch anything with synthesizers and louder guitars. Which is why a AAA stations such as Sirus XM's "The Spectrum" might play The Clash, Elvis Costello and the Specials, but not play New Order, The Cure, or Erasure. The last time I listened, The Spectrum also preferred bluesy artists, such as Rags-Bones and Harmony, over artists like Phoenix, The 1975, ect.
 
I'm not sure if consolidation is possible considering how far apart the main three formats are apart at the moment, and adult contemporary has shed most semblances of its rock-based past over this decade.

I think the future of Alternative is in Nashville. Lots of former country artists who are looking for airplay, and alternative might be their format. Zac Brown and Chris Stapleton come to mind. These are guys who are very comfortable in that space.
 
Maybe a split of the format would be too dramatic. I do agree with Macattack with Indie Pop eventually taking over AAA, as AAA targets an older audience than Alternative. Alternative will then take over the new styles of music in the 2020's that weren't carry-overs from the 2010's.

I will however note that I also agree with the opinion that Active Rock has gotten more diverse playlist-wise than Alt. Back in 2006, it was the Active-rockers playing a new Disturbed song as a current for a better part of a year. Now, its the Alt station spinning that Panic at the Disco song about Hope for a better part of a year. Where I live, its now that Active Rocker that will spin such forgotten 90's throwbacks such as "Machinehead" by Bush, "Pepper" by Butthole Surfers and the Primitive Radio Gods with "Standing by the Phone Book". The alt-rocker on the other hand plays the same RHCP hits, "My Own Worst Enemy", "Going The Distance", "Buddy Holly" and "Comedown".

Honest opinion though, I kind of miss the way radio formats were before the 1996 telecom act. Top 40, Rhythmic Top 40. Oldies, Alternative, AC, AAA, Urban AC, Rock and Classic Rock, without the many different splinter formats forking of off their parent format. Seems to me formats before then took more of a big tent approach. For instance, hip-hop and even pop could get Airplay on Alt, while Top 40 could play anything from OMD, to Nirvana, Haddaway and even Garth Brooks.

Then again, when a conglomerate such as iHeartMedia has an alternative format, then buys its crosstown alternative rival, what happens to the rival? Common sense says flip formats to serve a need elsewhere, especially with the station that was losing said format war. During most of the late 90's that happened. On the other-hand, their were instances were a company decided to super-serve a demographic with 2 different variations of the same format. Such as 80's-based classic hits on one station, with 70's and 80's rock-leaning classic hits on the other.
 
Then again, when a conglomerate such as iHeartMedia has an alternative format, then buys its crosstown alternative rival, what happens to the rival? Common sense says flip formats to serve a need elsewhere, especially with the station that was losing said format war.

The other way of looking at that (from a listener perspective) is it eliminates format duplication. I'm often asked why there are 3 country stations in a market all playing the same music. Is there really a need for so many country stations? The answer is no, but that's what you get with competition. The only reason you don't have that kind of competition in alternative (outside of LA) is because the market won't sustain it. It really doesn't have anything to do with the 96 telecom act. It has to do with the music attracting an audience. Right now alternative is in a down cycle, and so there's less motivation for anyone to start an alternative station. Someone pointed out there's no alternative station in Detroit. I said there's not much motivation for someone to flip a more active format to alt right now. Radio would be a lot better for alternative fans if the money aspect was pulled out of it. That's why its a format better suited for subscription radio.
 
Macattack, I thought someone like Matthew Sweet would have gotten at least some airplay on AAA, even going back in time. I know back in the 90's, the local AAA station were I lived as a child, WHPT, 102.5 The Point in Tampa played Matthew Sweet, as well as acoustic versions of popular Grunge songs. Then again, looking back the station did more of a Modern Rock lean compared to other AAA stations. Back before the mid- 2010's, it seems that AAA preferred more of your rootsy, soft rock fare, preferring not to touch anything with synthesizers and louder guitars. Which is why a AAA stations such as Sirus XM's "The Spectrum" might play The Clash, Elvis Costello and the Specials, but not play New Order, The Cure, or Erasure. The last time I listened, The Spectrum also preferred bluesy artists, such as Rags-Bones and Harmony, over artists like Phoenix, The 1975, ect.

I have heard both The Cure and Erasure on WXRT (both their smashes and lesser-known tracks), though they haven't touched New Order outside of the enormous hit "Blue Monday" AFAIK. Then again WXRT is a strange bird - they still play The Doors, The Rolling Stones, and Thin Lizzy without any irony or issue. They will play "Ready to Let Go" by Cage the Elephant and then start "What You Need" by INXS immediately after it, or have "Corduroy" by Pearl Jam fade into "Where the Streets Have No Name" by U2.

WXRT used to be a stereotypical sleepy soft rock AAA station, but the last five years has seen them add a ton of livelier music to their playlist, including both grunge and punk classics as well as some of the newer AAA fare that's tended to be more energetic than, say, Jack Johnson. It just feels like a shift has happened in AAA, in response to the changes happening in alternative. It'll be interesting to see what happens.

At least WXRT is explainable: local alt station WKQX has turned into a pop station that occasionally plays a random Papa Roach or Linkin Park cut. There's a lot of music left on the table for them to play in a bid to get younger listeners, and they have held a solid 7th or 8th place overall after enlivening their playlist.
 
The other way of looking at that (from a listener perspective) is it eliminates format duplication. I'm often asked why there are 3 country stations in a market all playing the same music. Is there really a need for so many country stations? The answer is no, but that's what you get with competition. The only reason you don't have that kind of competition in alternative (outside of LA) is because the market won't sustain it. It really doesn't have anything to do with the 96 telecom act. It has to do with the music attracting an audience. Right now alternative is in a down cycle, and so there's less motivation for anyone to start an alternative station. Someone pointed out there's no alternative station in Detroit. I said there's not much motivation for someone to flip a more active format to alt right now. Radio would be a lot better for alternative fans if the money aspect was pulled out of it. That's why its a format better suited for subscription radio.

Oddly, I think alternative has been on a bit of an up cycle. It used to take a little less than 2000 spins for per week a song to hit #1 on Mediabase, now the current #1, "bad guy", is just short of a staggering 3,300 spins per week. There are more stations than ever before, using the fact that indie pop keeps crossing over to build more stations in markets that are not rock friendly. Granted, I think we've hit a saturation point, and the iHeart and Cumulus stations are being very picky and slow when picking songs up, which is why hit songs are lingering on alt for 30, 40 weeks on end, because they scrape the top 10 just in time to avoid recurrency.

It seems iHeart and Cumulus are letting Entercom and other companies' alt stations do all of the testing for them, and then they just pick the top 10 that seem to be attracting an audience and slap them onto their generic playlists. Obviously not every iHeart and Cumulus station is like this (iHeart's Channel 93.3 is an excellent example of an iHeart alternative station that doesn't sound like an iHeart alternative station), but the majority of them are.
 
One thing I thought about while driving home from work today is the local alternative station were I live, which is Tampa's 97x. Back in January 2013, Cox attempted a format were the listeners pick all the music, from a library of 1,800 songs. The library went from the Imagine Dragons and Fun, all the way back to the Talking Heads and Devo. The format as a whole lasted a year and a half, with the 1,800 song playlist cut down significantly after 9 months or so.

The more interesting scenario of all of this wasn't the fact that Cox tried the format, but what happened before and after. Prior to January of 2013, 97x played anything from Fun and Muse, to the new Foo Fighters, Raise Against, and even artists like Chevelle. The station was also fully staffed with live DJ's, and even had a classic alternative specialty show. The station had an even mix of Indie-Pop, Hard Rock, Electronic, Post-Punk and even some Rap.

However, by the time the format came back from its listener supported format in the summer of 2014, none of that was true. No more new Punk, no more new Foo Fighters. The format was almost entirely new indie. Weezer's new comeback single at the time, "Back from the Shack", couldn't get any airplay a month or so after release. The DJ's even started to slowly disappear from the format. The stations 2000's playlist was eliminated almost entirely, down to overplayed "American Idiot" singles, "Seven Nation Army" and a few Killers and All-American Rejects songs. The airplay of local artists was also greatly reduced, as well as in-studio performances from core artists.

Cox turned a decent alt-rocker to a indie Top-40 in just 18 months. Maybe the "You Control the Music" approach was doomed from the start. Maybe the gimmick was just like how some conspiracy theorists see New Coke. New Coke was launched, then outrage is ensued across the country. Then, Coke Classic is launched 3 months later, only Coke Classic now has High Fructose Corn Syrup, as HFCS was cheaper than Cane Sugar, while the discontinued old Coke from 3 months later of-course had cane sugar. The Coca-Cola company was hoping that people would forget how the old Cane Sugar Coke tasted within the 3 months of the launch of New Coke. Even by 2013, Alternative radio didn't have the billing the format once did in the 90's and 2000's, so Cox was trying to drive down cost on the niche format that Alternative has become. Alternative's billing has eroded further even since then.

In fact, the only big conglomerate that even treats Alternative with any respect anymore is Entercom. I sometimes listen to FM 101.9 out of Orlando and am impressed with the wow factor of the playlist. Heard such songs as "Paper Airlines" by MIA and "Hey Ya!" by Outcast, as well as 90's lost classics like Rusted Root. Yes, new Indie -Pop is still played a lot, but the stations also play new music from Classic-Alt artists, such as 311. As mentioned earlier in this thread, companies like Entercom test the songs to eventually end up on the generic iHeart stations. FM 101.9 still plays Grunge, Punk and hard rock (including nu-metal that isn't Linkin Park, such as POD and Papa Roach), as well as most indie-pop and synth-pop currently available. Heck, the station actually has the Ramones, the Cure and New Order in active rotation. The station is also not afraid to play music that long since crossed over to the Pop and Hot AC markets, such as the for-mentioned Rusted Root song.
 
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I think the future of Alternative is in Nashville. Lots of former country artists who are looking for airplay, and alternative might be their format. Zac Brown and Chris Stapleton come to mind. These are guys who are very comfortable in that space.

Zac Brown's new album definitely sounds indie rock/pop-ish so far, I'm surprised he hasn't tried shopping his latest singles to Alternative/AAA yet. Granted, his only rock hit was on Active (and needed the late, great Chris Cornell's help to do it), but rock cred is still rock cred.

For example, Machine Gun Kelly's only rock hit was a featured artist credit on Motley Crue's "The Dirt" (which went top 10 on Active) and that hasn't stopped him from shopping a single on Alternative ("I Think I'm OKAY") right now, it's been slowly rising in the 30s the last couple of weeks. Zac isn't going to get any airplay for his new album on country stations, he's an apostate like many alt-country artists, he could actually score some hits on alt/AAA with his new album's sound if he wanted to.

In fact, the only big conglomerate that even treats Alternative with any respect anymore is Entercom. I sometimes listen to FM 101.9 out of Orlando and am impressed with the wow factor of the playlist. Heard such songs as "Paper Airlines" by MIA and "Hey Ya!" by Outcast, as well as 90's lost classics like Rusted Root. Yes, new Indie -Pop is still played a lot, but the stations also play new music from Classic-Alt artists, such as 311. As mentioned earlier in this thread, companies like Entercom test the songs to eventually end up on the generic iHeart stations. FM 101.9 still plays Grunge, Punk and hard rock (including nu-metal that isn't Linkin Park, such as POD and Papa Roach), as well as most indie-pop and synth-pop currently available. Heck, the station actually has the Ramones, the Cure and New Order in active rotation. The station is also not afraid to play music that long since crossed over to the Pop and Hot AC markets, such as the for-mentioned Rusted Root song.

Entercom has been this format's godsend this decade, as the ownership seems to genuinely love the format. They don't operate on a "one size fits all" format like iHeart does and seems to grant their programmers more freedom and independence than iHeart and Cumulus. KROQ in Los Angeles does not sound like KRBZ in Kansas City which in turn doesn't sound like WNYL in New York City. In other words Entercom seems to permit their programmers to adjust their playlists for their markets (WNYL has a heavy indie pop lean, KXTE in Las Vegas has Active elements, KROQ leans on its heritage, WSFS in Miami is infamously electro-dominated, so on and so forth).

I was surprised when WKQX's current music director took a lateral move to KNDD in Seattle, but he's jumping from Cumulus to Entercom. That probably says a lot about what iHeart and Cumulus are doing with the format at the moment.

Unfortunately this means Entercom is doing iHeart and Cumulus' dirty work because they're effectively serving as unofficial test markets & stations for alt songs as well as any Active and AAA songs that have crossover potential. I wonder how long Entercom is going to tolerate being their competitors' crash test dummy.

Entercom also owns WXRT right now and not long after taking over WXRT woke up from its doldrums and added grunge and punk classics without removing any of the songs they already play, along with taking a few of the livelier tracks that AAA has been accepting lately (such as "Oh No" by The Revivalists). So I get a sense that they genuinely care about rock music, which we desperately need more of.
 
Zac isn't going to get any airplay for his new album on country stations, he's an apostate like many alt-country artists, he could actually score some hits on alt/AAA with his new album's sound if he wanted to.

This is Zac's first album with a new label. It'll be interesting to see if they market it to other formats. The country genre has a unique problem: More artists with more hits than there is room for on country radio. That leads to some songs either parking in the 40s for months before moving into the Top 30, or dying before they make the cut. It really requires a commitment. The way the artists are handling it is they're releasing songs directly for streaming, with the thought that they may never become singles. They just want to get music into the hands of their fans. Radio programmers in other formats who are starving for new music could find it in country.
 
This is Zac's first album with a new label. It'll be interesting to see if they market it to other formats. The country genre has a unique problem: More artists with more hits than there is room for on country radio. That leads to some songs either parking in the 40s for months before moving into the Top 30, or dying before they make the cut. It really requires a commitment. The way the artists are handling it is they're releasing songs directly for streaming, with the thought that they may never become singles. They just want to get music into the hands of their fans. Radio programmers in other formats who are starving for new music could find it in country.

Alt-country has crossed over to AAA in the past, it probably could do so again.

Alternative has the same problem, there is a giant pile of songs with 2500+ spins in the top 10 while 11th place sits at 1800, while 20th place is at 950 spins, and 40th place is at 278 spins. This is largely due to iHeart and Cumulus sitting on their hands until songs that look like hits emerge and then they add them at the 14th or 15th week on the charts. It's also crippling followup singles, Dominic Fike's followup to "3 Nights", "Miracle Man", has completely stalled out due to iHeart and Cumulus giving "3 Nights" a sudden push right before what would have been the end of its run. This is making it difficult if not impossible for many artists to release more than 2 singles per album cycle, with only a few exceptions like Twenty-One Pilots (whose singles this cycle have risen quickly and plummeted just as fast, so they have been able to sneak in a fourth single before Trench's expiration date).

An example of a recent victim of Alternative' glut at the top is Meg Myers' cover of "Running Up That Hill". It's been stalled out at the 30s for nearly four months, and only now has it gained any momentum, it's up to 768 spins and 23rd place on Mediabase. But it's too little too late as it only has three weeks after tomorrow before it's sent recurrent, and there is no way it's going to reach 2000+ spins in time before that happens.
 
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Isn't Wilco considered alt-country? If that is the case, AAA has been playing alt-country for the past 20 years. Wilco, the old 97's, Uncle Tupelo. If I'm not mistaken, records by these artists even charted in the upper regions of the Modern Rock chart (like around number 39).

Looking at old R&R playlists, some of the more free-wheeling Alternative formats in the 90's played some country. For instance, I believe 97x in Cincinanti would even mix some Willie Nelson into the playlist.
 
I think the future of Alternative is in Nashville. Lots of former country artists who are looking for airplay, and alternative might be their format. Zac Brown and Chris Stapleton come to mind. These are guys who are very comfortable in that space.

I'd like to hear a lot more of the pop-punk revival on Alternative...

State Champs, Grayscale, Boston Manor, Real Friends, As It Is ... these guys sound great and for heritage stations that once (perhaps still do) played a heavy dose of Blink 182, Green Day, and New Found Glory, this stuff would be right at home.
 
I'd like to hear a lot more of the pop-punk revival on Alternative...

State Champs, Grayscale, Boston Manor, Real Friends, As It Is ... these guys sound great and for heritage stations that once (perhaps still do) played a heavy dose of Blink 182, Green Day, and New Found Glory, this stuff would be right at home.

Even Green Day and Rise Against had trouble on their most recent albums with gaining traction on Alternative. Yes, Green Day still had two #1s but they did not have any staying power whatsoever, and Rise Against actually did better on Active Rock with "The Violence" and "House on Fire". Alt programmers just are queasy with punk bands these days and they're reluctant to give even the poppier ones airtime. Even when Sleeping With Sirens did their pop experiment they could only squeak into the high teens.

Today Billie Eilish replaced Old Town Road at #1. Will alternative fans turn on her because of her pop success?

https://www.allaccess.com/net-news/...teen-weeks-later-old-town-road-is-no-longer-1

Matt Maeson dethroned Billie on Alt the same week Billie took the Billboard #1, so I think Billie may be beginning her transition into being a pop artist from being an alt artist... though honestly I question whether Billie was ever really an "alt" artist or was just sent there for being too "strange" for pop or just to gain some sort of rebel/different credibility.

Also Tool squeaked into the Billboard Alt chart this week at #40... even though it was 13 years ago Tool did get two top 5 Alt hits off of 10,000 Days so they don't have a bomb in the 2010's that would make programmers reluctant to play them. Though considering how trends have played out "Fear Inoculum" probably will be the alt flop that Alice in Chains, Linkin Park, Chevelle, etc. have all suffered that permanently kicked them off the alt chart.
 
Update: Mediabase has "Alligator" by Of Monsters and Men passing "bad guy" for #2. I think "bad guy" is done as far as alt is concerned.

A couple of stations have been testing "my strange addiction" so I think that will be Billie's next alt single, and probably the last as far as this album cycle goes.
 
I question whether Billie was ever really an "alt" artist or was just sent there for being too "strange" for pop or just to gain some sort of rebel/different credibility.

We had that conversation earlier in this thread. My question is does the pop success hurt her chances of getting another song on the alt chart?
 
We had that conversation earlier in this thread. My question is does the pop success hurt her chances of getting another song on the alt chart?

I don't think Billie's style is the kind that will age well on alt, but we'll see.

Coldplay's crossed over many times to pop and has maintained a consistent presence on alternative over the years, but Coldplay and artists like them have a more timeless approach that is harder to kick off of alt than trendier or edgier sounds, which is where Billie treks. I think the next album will decide Billie's longevity on alt.

It also depends as to whether alt reverts to being more of a rock format or kicks the remaining rock artists off and goes full pop as the 2020's kick into gear.
 
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