Bloodbath At Mainline in Louisville

[hotpatrick2004]

I think it is a safe assumption to say wlrs will never be streaming but i also wonder if mainline will ever start streaming any of there other stations? Is the max streaming yet? My bad they will be soon they always put up that christmas stream lol

 

[kyscott]

I would be pissed if they fired me, then started streaming. I doubt seriously that the expense of streaming is high on their list. People don't seem to understand that you just can't plug a computer into an output of your console, and start streaming.

 

[radiorob2.0]

I would be pissed if they fired me, then started streaming. I doubt seriously that the expense of streaming is high on their list. People don't seem to understand that you just can't plug a computer into an output of your console, and start streaming.

Streaming is easy, paying for the concept is a challenge. $$$ goes to the content delivery company, $$$ to the PRO's and if you are unable to produce song title/artist/CD on your player in house then you must work out a deal with a third party which will cost more $$$.

 

[radiohawkins]

I would be pissed if they fired me, then started streaming. I doubt seriously that the expense of streaming is high on their list. People don't seem to understand that you just can't plug a computer into an output of your console, and start streaming.

Streaming is easy, paying for the concept is a challenge. $$$ goes to the content delivery company, $$$ to the PRO's and if you are unable to produce song title/artist/CD on your player in house then you must work out a deal with a third party which will cost more $$$.

Cox and CC seem to have no problem streaming.

 

[hotpatrick2004]

One thing is for sure we will not see a tom dorsey column about what happened in the courier journal. For the courier or should i say corporate(gannett) did away with his job. Gotta love corporate america

 

[gabigley1]

One thing is for sure we will not see a tom dorsey column about what happened in the courier journal. For the courier or should i say corporate(gannett) did away with his job. Gotta love corporate america

Thanks for the Tom Dorsey update. That is sad he is no longer with the Courier Journal.
He did a pretty good job of updating local media in Louisville. I did find it hard to believe that he was doing a
column SIX days a week for the Courier Journal because Louisville is not a very big city. So, from that standpoint
this is not very surprising. A SIX days a week media column for the Courier Journal seemed to good to be true.

For those who may be interested, I found this story on this topic:

http://thevillevoice.com/2008/08/26/dorsey-the-last-tv-critic-gone-at-the-c-j

 

[Creighton Sanders]

Looks like the ratings for The Max, which lost no staff due to budget cuts, took a major dive in the latest ratings.

 

[icycool7227]

I would be pissed if they fired me, then started streaming. I doubt seriously that the expense of streaming is high on their list. People don't seem to understand that you just can't plug a computer into an output of your console, and start streaming.

I understand everything you are saying in those last two posts, despite the rude remarks in the first which I will bypass, but it has said "Coming soon" since around last spring. I know all about the royalty costs but this is a station I have wanted to listen to the most for some time. If LRS does flip before streaming, I'm just going to say to hell with Mainline and hopefully another company will take over it who knows what they're doing. From what I have read on here they are just not doing a spectacular job on that station - it could be so much better in so many ways. They could have a better signal for one thing and hotP has been telling me he doesn't care much for the current jocks that is on there or maybe now was on there.

In NYC, still can't believe that CD 101.9 never ever streamed. They had enough money to do that and there are many office buildings which would have blocked the signal. So they kept that format on HD radio but that doesn't stream either so stations like this are really messed up and for people who don't live in that area or have never been there like me, miss out. I can't stand my local stations - this is why I like streaming radio so much and satellite just doesn't do it for me. It's also why I keep pressing for more streaming.

 

[radiorob2.0]

I would be pissed if they fired me, then started streaming. I doubt seriously that the expense of streaming is high on their list. People don't seem to understand that you just can't plug a computer into an output of your console, and start streaming.

I understand everything you are saying in those last two posts, despite the rude remarks in the first which I will bypass, but it has said "Coming soon" since around last spring. I know all about the royalty costs but this is a station I have wanted to listen to the most for some time. If LRS does flip before streaming, I'm just going to say to hell with Mainline and hopefully another company will take over it who knows what they're doing. From what I have read on here they are just not doing a spectacular job on that station - it could be so much better in so many ways. They could have a better signal for one thing and hotP has been telling me he doesn't care much for the current jocks that is on there or maybe now was on there.

In NYC, still can't believe that CD 101.9 never ever streamed. They had enough money to do that and there are many office buildings which would have blocked the signal. So they kept that format on HD radio but that doesn't stream either so stations like this are really messed up and for people who don't live in that area or have never been there like me, miss out. I can't stand my local stations - this is why I like streaming radio so much and satellite just doesn't do it for me. It's also why I keep pressing for more streaming.

For full disclosure, I manage and handle technical issues for a streaming service. As kyscott said, it takes more than just putting audio on the internet. A broadcaster must pull all commercials because of a deal AFTRA made ten years ago. Their member have the right for three times compensation if their work is used for streaming without consent. So software must be configured to replace audio.

A audio stream through the player or site must must display song title, artist and album/CD name for compliance, many fail to do this and that is between the webcaster and the Performance Rights Organization. Plus there is the paperwork and fees to those PRO's like BMI and Sound Exchange monthly, as well as lighter paperwork and fees to SESAC semi-annual and ASCAP annually. Plus if you don't have the ability to stream in house, a content delivery service must be utilized; more money.

Finally, even though Sound Exchange has a plan in place it could change again. The last deal fell through and streaming services are required to pay for streaming associated fees when there was no deal. It could happen again. Hopefully, cooler heads will prevail and streaming will have set rules and all parties and God's Chillins will be happy. But for now we tip toe through the tubes of the internets.

 

[greg.hahn]

They could have a better signal for one thing .

That's really easy to say. It's something else to make it happen. Suffice it to say that if that station could have legally gone on the air back in the 90s with a great signal, they would have done so. You can't just get a bigger transmitter, or move the antenna to a better location. You have to both cover your sity of license, and not cause any interference to all the other stations out there from 104.5 to 105.7, and 94.3 / 94.5.

It's not Mainline's fault that the signal is crappy.

 

[hotpatrick2004]

Lets blame radio one they seem like a good punching bag!!!They really wasted there money well bluechip did on the 105.1 signal.

 

[kyscott]

They could have a better signal for one thing .

That's really easy to say. It's something else to make it happen. Suffice it to say that if that station could have legally gone on the air back in the 90s with a great signal, they would have done so. You can't just get a bigger transmitter, or move the antenna to a better location. You have to both cover your sity of license, and not cause any interference to all the other stations out there from 104.5 to 105.7, and 94.3 / 94.5.

It's not Mainline's fault that the signal is crappy.

Depends on how you define crappy. Blue Chip/Radio One/ Main Line all want that signal to do something it's not designed to do...cover Louisville. It covers the city of license fine, Shepherdsville.

 

[Dan76]

I wish they'd put the Max on 105.1, and put LRS back on 102.3

 

[radiorob2.0]

They could have a better signal for one thing .

That's really easy to say. It's something else to make it happen. Suffice it to say that if that station could have legally gone on the air back in the 90s with a great signal, they would have done so. You can't just get a bigger transmitter, or move the antenna to a better location. You have to both cover your sity of license, and not cause any interference to all the other stations out there from 104.5 to 105.7, and 94.3 / 94.5.

It's not Mainline's fault that the signal is crappy.

Depends on how you define crappy. Blue Chip/Radio One/ Main Line all want that signal to do something it's not designed to do...cover Louisville. It covers the city of license fine, Shepherdsville.

That was the problem 15 years ago when it signed on. It covers Shepherdsville like a champ, Louisville not so much. Somehow the signal was able to upgrade to the equivalent of a 6kw class A in the last ten years. The big problem revolves around the occasional skips. I don't know what it is like today but back then 105.1 Shepherdsville would disappear and WUBE Cincinnati would take over. It makes it hard to sell advertising when the client can't even receive the signal.

 

[greg.hahn]

That was the problem 15 years ago when it signed on. It covers Shepherdsville like a champ, Louisville not so much. Somehow the signal was able to upgrade to the equivalent of a 6kw class A in the last ten years. The big problem revolves around the occasional skips. I don't know what it is like today but back then 105.1 Shepherdsville would disappear and WUBE Cincinnati would take over. It makes it hard to sell advertising when the client can't even receive the signal.

Correct. That was always the problem with that station, and every other Class A station that was created by Docket 80-90. Before Docket 80-90 was thrust upon us, the 80 commercial FM frequencies were divided so that there were 20 frequencies designated for Class A stations (3000 watts) and 60 frequencies designated for Class B (50KW) or Class C (100KW) stations.

All the class As in Louisville- 101.7, 102.3, 103.1, and 103.9- were on frequencies that only had other class A stations on them. There was no such thing as a 50KW station on those frequencies. When FM started skipping in late July/ early August, it didn't matter so much. AMZ and QMF had to fight off other powerful stations from wherever, but ZZX, LRS, RKA, and XLN only had to worry about other 3 KW stations causing them a little problems.

All the new stations created by Docket 80-90 went on the 60 frequencies formerly designated only for Class B and Class C stations.

When skips occurs, 94.7 gets clobbered by WFBQ in Indy, a so-called "Superpower Class B" (58KW at 800 feet) and by WGSQ in Cookeville, TN, 100 KW at 1319 feet. CLOBBERED. I know that one really well. There is nothing quite like sitting in the parking lot of the radio station and unable to receive it because of some station 150 miles away.

93.1 gets slammed by WIBC-FM in Indy. (50KW)
96.5 gets killed by WFTK in Cinci. (50KW)

And so on. It happens to them all.

The only Docket 80-90 stations that aren't affected so much by this are the ones that aren't class A: WLUE and WSFR.

 

[hotpatrick2004]

I got one better then that you can sit in the parking lot of university of louisville and never get there radio station at am 570 wlcv for that station can only be gotten online and in the dorms and you can hear it at the student activities center.Good times working there though.

Thats where rebecca lake started.

 

[notdiesel]

Don't worry about WLCV they're doing just fine with out it

 

[kyscott]

The only Docket 80-90 stations that aren't affected so much by this are the ones that aren't class A: WLUE and WSFR.

Don't ya just love it when the federal gub'ment solves a problem that's not really there? Even as a young sprout when 80-90 was passed, I could see problems mixing classes on channels like that.

 

[greg.hahn]

The only Docket 80-90 stations that aren't affected so much by this are the ones that aren't class A: WLUE and WSFR.

Don't ya just love it when the federal gub'ment solves a problem that's not really there? Even as a young sprout when 80-90 was passed, I could see problems mixing classes on channels like that.

It's only bad if you happen to have one of the little guys. Then you get PDs and GMs that want you to "fix it".


There is an LPFM in Owensboro on 107.7 that calls me every summer accusing me of turning my power up to overwhelm them. I have to go over the whole explanation every year.

 

[radiorob2.0]

The only Docket 80-90 stations that aren't affected so much by this are the ones that aren't class A: WLUE and WSFR.

Don't ya just love it when the federal gub'ment solves a problem that's not really there? Even as a young sprout when 80-90 was passed, I could see problems mixing classes on channels like that.

We went through the same issue 60 years ago during the AM population explosion. It makes sense on paper but in real life it is abused.

The only Docket 80-90 stations that aren't affected so much by this are the ones that aren't class A: WLUE and WSFR.

Don't ya just love it when the federal gub'ment solves a problem that's not really there? Even as a young sprout when 80-90 was passed, I could see problems mixing classes on channels like that.

It's only bad if you happen to have one of the little guys. Then you get PDs and GMs that want you to "fix it".


There is an LPFM in Owensboro on 107.7 that calls me every summer accusing me of turning my power up to overwhelm them. I have to go over the whole explanation every year.

Ah, Owensboro. The Kentucky city with the most overcrowded dial in the state. You want to talk about 80/90 abuse, look no further. Individuals like Bud Walters have crammed as many signals as possible on the dial and in crammed office space. Prior to the RKA upgrade we had 102.9/103.1/103.3 located within 25 miles of Owensboro, two of the signals were trying to compete in Owensboro. Thank goodness for radios with good selectivity. Then add the stations two channels apart competing for revenue along with translators and LPFM's "importing" teaching programming and there is no room left for anything. And yes, the skips reek havoc.