BTW that Facebook page you linked hasn't changed. But it does say in the intro box: The Bay Area’s iHeart Sports Talk + More: 960 KNEW
So who knows. My first thought when I saw it was that it was fake.
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BTW that Facebook page you linked hasn't changed. But it does say in the intro box: The Bay Area’s iHeart Sports Talk + More: 960 KNEW
So who knows. My first thought when I saw it was that it was fake.
(Dusting off my very dusty software engineer's cap for a moment...)
iHeart is better off creating a stub website, Facebook page, etc. at the earliest moment after any embargo time has passed, rather than letting someone else glom their domain, account name, etc. and then having to wrestle the rights back from the squatter. They can flesh out the design and data, and neaten it all up later.
Unless this site is made by the aforementioned squatter.
Do *you* have any evidence that it is?
My evidence is there's nothing that attaches it to iHeart other than a generic use of the name.
I get hundreds of fake Facebook users posting comments on my pages all the time, asking for friend requests. They look as official as this one.
Compare it to an official iHeart site, and you'll see what I'm talking about.
Yes we know. Reported in Post 303 about 6 hours ago
iHeart Sports Talk & More To Launch On 960 KNEW
With Bloomberg ending their ten year lease of iHeartMedia's 960 KNEW San Francisco on October 1, iHeartMedia has announced it
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It's what's called "COMPETITION." Used to be a big thing in radio. Lots of competing stations in the same format.
They all do different things in different ways. There's only so much you can do with an AM. This is a way to do two things at once.
I'm sure someone will come along and say "At one time there were several Top 40 stations in SF." Because there were.
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As many as the available ad dollars will support?
The new 960 in SF reminds me of 1260 in Indianapolis, which has for a number of years been a dumping ground for Fox Sports radio, Premiere talk shows that no one else has picked up (currently just Clay & Buck), and a brokered hour here and there.
We need a "confused as all heck" icon. 😳
How could you keep track of who was doing what in Oxtura back then? And a real question: at the time, a network could not provide more than one service at a time... thus the separate ABC network pieces of an hour. But if a local station recorded and broadcast a newscast or segment at a different local time, was that considered "okay" or did they have to coordinate between each other to not do that?
I'm reminded of the closeness of "competition" and "constipation"...
And the memory of later 50's radio in Cleveland, then a top 10 market: three Top 40 stations, three MOR variants, and two R&B stations. No viable FM at the time.
And back in that era when radio was still transitioning from network drama and variety shows to music formats, you could only tell one MOR station from another by how many instrumentals an hour each played. And the Top 40 stations were interchangeable musically, so. as teens, we switched if we did not like a song or if one of them had a newscast.
And nearly everywhere else. San Francisco, at one point, had Top 40 on 1550, 1260 and 910. And then there were the ones in San Jose before that was just a part of the SF market.
K.M. Richards
Program Director, The Eighties Channel™
Since I was a PD in that market during part of that era, I actually know the answer to that from experience. A tape-delay counted as a network airing, unless it was long-form breaking news or sustaining public affairs programming. (I also know the history because that was my hometown market and I was already tuning all over both bands on my radio out of curiosity when the ABC split happened, although it wasn't until I got into the business that I understood that there was tape delay going on and why.)
So KPMJ's delay of ABC/FM from :15 to :30 caused KVEN to delay ABC/E from :30 to :55, which then forced KACY to shift ABC/C from :55 to :20 ... and I believe it was not only coordinated but spelled out in the affiliation contract. KAAP, the station I programmed, was ABC/I and our contract mandated live carriage of the newscasts at :00 and the sportscasts at times when no other market affiliate was airing any network programming (in our case, we only had to avoid Howard Cosell on KVEN; they ran him at 7:35am and 5:35pm, we ran the other two networks' sportscasts at 6:35am, 8:35am, 4:35pm and 6:35pm).
610 was Top 40 later on, soon after Drake converted KHJ. I was referring to the later 50's to the earlier 60's.
560 was not. 680 was, for just a few weeks in 1965, under P.D. Mike Phillips (who the next year would be a jock at KFRC, and in the 80s, PD at KFRC---and in the 90s at KRTH).
SF (not counting San Jose) rarely had more than two Top 40s at any one time from the 50s through the 70s.
KOBY (1550) had the format to itself beginning in 1956.
KYA (1260) flipped to Top 40 in 1958.
KEWB (910) made it three in July of 1959. KOBY dropped out in September of 1960.
That year and two months, from KEWB's flip to KOBY's departure, was the longest stretch that San Francisco had three Top 40s in the 50s-70s time period.
KNBR (680) flirted with it for a few weeks in 1965 but went back to MOR quickly.
KFRC (610) flipped to Top 40 in February of 1966, but KEWB dropped out in June of that year, changing format to MOR and calls to KNEW.
There wasn't an in-city Top 40 competitor to KFRC and KYA until 1973, when KSFX fipped from album rock to Top 40. That lasted less than a year before KSFX went disco.
And the next in-city Top 40 competitor was KCBS-FM in 1979, but it was automated and never really got traction.
After that, it's hard to track. The eighties, especially the early 80s, were filled with stations calling themselves Adult Contemporary that sounded and acted like Top 40s (KYUU and KIOI chief among them).
KOBY (1550) had the format to itself beginning in 1956.
KYA (1260) flipped to Top 40 in 1958.
KEWB (910) made it three in July of 1959. KOBY dropped out in September of 1960.
That year and two months, from KEWB's flip to KOBY's departure, was the longest stretch that San Francisco had three Top 40s in the 50s-70s time period.
KNBR (680) flirted with it for a few weeks in 1965 but went back to MOR quickly.
KFRC (610) flipped to Top 40 in February of 1966, but KEWB dropped out in June of that year, changing format to MOR and calls to KNEW.
There wasn't an in-city Top 40 competitor to KFRC and KYA until 1973, when KSFX fipped from album rock to Top 40. That lasted less than a year before KSFX went disco.
And the next in-city Top 40 competitor was KCBS-FM in 1979, but it was automated and never really got traction.
After that, it's hard to track. The eighties, especially the early 80s, were filled with stations calling themselves Adult Contemporary that sounded and acted like Top 40s (KYUU and KIOI chief among them).
Pairing conservative talk (or any talk) with Sports talk on a station doesn't seem to be all that unusual in some smaller markets. Most nights I can heard a mix of conservative talk and Fox Sports on a station about 130 miles down the I-5 corridor from me, KEDO 1270 out of Kelso-Longview, WA. They run Fox Sports overnight, and conservative talk during other times of the day. They even ID as "Newstalk / Sportstalk".
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Another news-talk station further down the corridor, KGAL 1580 in Oregon, runs Infinity Sports Network on Saturdays and Sundays during several different time slots, with other shows during the other time slots. Weekdays they're mostly conservative news-talk. They've been doing that for years (Infinity Sports Network was CBS Sports until recently, of course).
Sure, these aren't market #4 or #5, but examples that there are stations where it's done.
I wonder if there is any overlap in target demos between the news-talk and sports-talk formats.
KEDO 99.9FM 1270AM | The TALK of the Town
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Another news-talk station further down the corridor, KGAL 1580 in Oregon, runs Infinity Sports Network on Saturdays and Sundays during several different time slots, with other shows during the other time slots. Weekdays they're mostly conservative news-talk. They've been doing that for years (Infinity Sports Network was CBS Sports until recently, of course).
Sure, these aren't market #4 or #5, but examples that there are stations where it's done.
I wonder if there is any overlap in target demos between the news-talk and sports-talk formats.
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