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BOSTON PHOENIX article on WRKO's shilling for the Republicans...
- Thread starter SonicOverload
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Does it appear before or after the "escort" ads? 
Next I expect them to do an article about the Globe and various other media shilling for the Dems.
Well, I guess one station has to represent the 13 per cent of Mass Residents who are Republicans.
(Oooh! Bet you're scared! But there are also some independents/unenrolled like me who may vote Republican depending on the candidate or issue.)
And remember, Howie has always supported the Republicans. He fully supported Matt Amorello. He never
attacked Jane Swift. And he's not slamming Mitt on the radio now, I assure you.
Next I expect them to do an article about the Globe and various other media shilling for the Dems.
Well, I guess one station has to represent the 13 per cent of Mass Residents who are Republicans.
(Oooh! Bet you're scared! But there are also some independents/unenrolled like me who may vote Republican depending on the candidate or issue.)
And remember, Howie has always supported the Republicans. He fully supported Matt Amorello. He never
attacked Jane Swift. And he's not slamming Mitt on the radio now, I assure you.
raccoonradio said:Does it appear before or after the "escort" ads?
Next I expect them to do an article about the Globe and various other media shilling for the Dems.
Well, I guess one station has to represent the 13 per cent of Mass Residents who are Republicans.
(Oooh! Bet you're scared! But there are also some independents/unenrolled like me who may vote Republican depending on the candidate or issue.)
And remember, Howie has always supported the Republicans. He fully supported Matt Amorello. He never
attacked Jane Swift. And he's not slamming Mitt on the radio now, I assure you.
howie will blame mitt for not running after healey makes her concession speech. romney could've done what celluc and pink floyd did, but mass republicans are just too cocky.
still, a stupid tactical mistake by mass. republicans and mitt for thinking reilly was going to be dems choice, and not deval. by the time, mitt was announcing he wasn't running deval was already 5 points behind reilly.
reilly vs healey? no contest
mitt vs deval? no contest.
healey vs deval? congratulations, gov. patrick.
Moderator and Raccoon please note:
1)Moderator, please note, you should ban WRKO for what the Phoenix calls:
ad hominem attacks on independent candidate Christy Mihos
2)Raccoon - you know you are off-base here. The Boston Globe goes out of its way to be more
"fair and balanced" than Fox News. They shove unfiltered Jeff Jacoby and other Republican shills at
their readership in order to appear fair. We know where their leanings are, but you can't deny they
actually publish "the other side" in a way RKO and FOX NEWZ (don't say Alan Colmes, please) refuse to.
That being said - I'm all for bias if you are upfront about it. For example, my fifty cents should get me
progressive talk when I buy the Globe. When I buy chocolate don't give me graham crackers (unless I choose to buy both). The Globe should just give us one because that is what WRKO does. It is good to have a
2 newspaper town. When AM 1430 is on the tiniest signal and the Republicans get 50,000 watts it is hardly
fair. Howie had to go after Jane Swift and Matt - but didn't he say today that Amorello is a Democrat
Any politician that is as disgraceful as Mitt (R), Swift (R) or John Silber (D) deserves to get blitzed.
They are a bunch of HYPOCRITES having to back Kerry Healey - even dumb WRKO listeners know that
Howie doesn't care for her at all. Muffy that!
1)Moderator, please note, you should ban WRKO for what the Phoenix calls:
ad hominem attacks on independent candidate Christy Mihos
2)Raccoon - you know you are off-base here. The Boston Globe goes out of its way to be more
"fair and balanced" than Fox News. They shove unfiltered Jeff Jacoby and other Republican shills at
their readership in order to appear fair. We know where their leanings are, but you can't deny they
actually publish "the other side" in a way RKO and FOX NEWZ (don't say Alan Colmes, please) refuse to.
That being said - I'm all for bias if you are upfront about it. For example, my fifty cents should get me
progressive talk when I buy the Globe. When I buy chocolate don't give me graham crackers (unless I choose to buy both). The Globe should just give us one because that is what WRKO does. It is good to have a
2 newspaper town. When AM 1430 is on the tiniest signal and the Republicans get 50,000 watts it is hardly
fair. Howie had to go after Jane Swift and Matt - but didn't he say today that Amorello is a Democrat
Any politician that is as disgraceful as Mitt (R), Swift (R) or John Silber (D) deserves to get blitzed.
They are a bunch of HYPOCRITES having to back Kerry Healey - even dumb WRKO listeners know that
Howie doesn't care for her at all. Muffy that!
M
Mickey37
Guest
Re: Moderator and Raccoon please note:
Joe, of COURSE it's fair! RKO has had talk programming for years. KISS-AM is a talk newbie. While it's indisputable that most talk radio leans to the right, I think that's why the good lord invented NPR.
But this is not about fairness. Would you have Entercom sell off WEEI to Air America so they would have a powerhouse signal to go up against WRKO? Most "progressive" talk radio is dull to the masses. Conservative talk energizes people, one way or another. As evidence, I point to one of Casablanca's threads that's been read more than a thousand times with more than 100 replies.
Varulven said:
Joe, of COURSE it's fair! RKO has had talk programming for years. KISS-AM is a talk newbie. While it's indisputable that most talk radio leans to the right, I think that's why the good lord invented NPR.
But this is not about fairness. Would you have Entercom sell off WEEI to Air America so they would have a powerhouse signal to go up against WRKO? Most "progressive" talk radio is dull to the masses. Conservative talk energizes people, one way or another. As evidence, I point to one of Casablanca's threads that's been read more than a thousand times with more than 100 replies.
well, this is opinion, for sure. I strongly disagree that "Conservative Talk" is more compelling than Progressive talk. What is obvious is that the RNC made a conscious effort to take over one medium and radio was that medium. What was foolish of the Democrats while in power was to ignore the power of radio. What happened is Rush, Hannity and O'Reilly got a foothold. Their numbers are impressive, but they are hardly the be all and end all. Two issues that people tend to ignore overshadow Conservative talk:
1)NPR
2)Howard Stern
Stern is clearly the King of All Media. Fast forward 100 years, Limbaugh will be a topic, as is Joe McCarthy,
Stern will be seen as a true media phenomenon. While Limbaugh is losing audience Stern pulled a "New Coke".
He went on a crusade, got a boatload of cash, and is waiting to "re-introduce" his old Classic Coke self.
It is inevitable he will make his return to terrestrial and - no doubt - be stronger than ever. We have no idea if Karmazin will buy his competitor and merge the two satellites - not a good thing but also inevitable - can the market really sustain two satellites when the internet is ready to pounce on car radio?
Factor in that Clear Channel and other conglomerates, including Keith Olbermann's home, lean Conservative.
There is the problem. The gatekeepers muzzle an Olbermann while they foster a Hannity. Give Olbermann the same promotion and platform that Hannity has - put Olbermann on radio against Bill O'Reilly, you'll have a nice little war. It won't happen (raccoon will say - in error - that it's talent on loan from halliburton ) - it won't happen because the powers that be WANT Conservative radio. The gatekeepers benefit from Bush, they don't benefit from people that want diversity.
Look at the stock market, and look how much LESS money is in your pocket. I came back from a political meeting tonight regarding Mandatory Health Coverage http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/04/AR2006040401937.html
This may be a "blue" state, but I blame Romney:
"We insist that everybody who drives a car has insurance," Gov. Mitt Romney (R) said regarding the health insurance bill. "And cars are a lot less expensive than people." (By Julia Makalie -- Associated Press)
Who benefits from this? Big business. As one Senator said at the meet, most industrialized countries have national health care. There is not enough oversight with this Big Business Selling Health Care thing.
As I told that Senator, it is all terribly confusing, but at least we're getting some information on it incrementally.
The crowd of citizens in a church hall this past evening said something to me: people do care about issues. If you build it they will come. Do you really think Howie Carr's constituents were in attendance? Please. Ed Schultz is far more informative, as is NPR. We now have options for talk radio in Boston, as tiny as the 1430 signal is.
Give Schultz a 50,000 watt station. Put him on 96.9. Both RKO and 96.9 are dropping. This is a blue state.
We don't have the information on how we'll they'll do because they are muzzled. See Keith Olbermann above.
Progressive talk, think Stern, does work. Why do the progressives - like Stern - get NO support when they initially launch their ideas? Olbermann gets muzzled while Hannity gets pampered. A lot easier to get audience if a corporation is backing you. Do you really think John DePetro offers anything of value to this community?
Karl Rove could've lost it all had Gore been allowed to take office. The "genius", if you want to call it that, is what Alan Rickman called himself in Die Hard "An exceptional thief" and since he's moving up to kidnapping you'd better watch your step! They kidnapped the election. No genius there. Conservative radio was an important element, but they couldn't win it without the theft. And they'll have to steal the next election or it will all come crumbling down. Just my opinion.
Let's start a thread when Howard is controversial. Why it won't get zillions of hits - there's not enough of an audience here. Our Radio-Info group pales next to other boards that talk about movies, The Rolling Stones, things other than a radio insider's club.
Speaking of Stones, if you've read this far, here's my latest masterpiece:
http://www.townonline.com/medford/artsLifestyle/view.bg?articleid=601620&format=&page=1
Home > Medford Transcript > Arts & Lifestyle
Exiled Genius
By Joe Viglione/ Correspondent
Thursday, October 26, 2006
(C)2006 Joe Viglione All Rights Reserved
1)NPR
2)Howard Stern
Stern is clearly the King of All Media. Fast forward 100 years, Limbaugh will be a topic, as is Joe McCarthy,
Stern will be seen as a true media phenomenon. While Limbaugh is losing audience Stern pulled a "New Coke".
He went on a crusade, got a boatload of cash, and is waiting to "re-introduce" his old Classic Coke self.
It is inevitable he will make his return to terrestrial and - no doubt - be stronger than ever. We have no idea if Karmazin will buy his competitor and merge the two satellites - not a good thing but also inevitable - can the market really sustain two satellites when the internet is ready to pounce on car radio?
Factor in that Clear Channel and other conglomerates, including Keith Olbermann's home, lean Conservative.
There is the problem. The gatekeepers muzzle an Olbermann while they foster a Hannity. Give Olbermann the same promotion and platform that Hannity has - put Olbermann on radio against Bill O'Reilly, you'll have a nice little war. It won't happen (raccoon will say - in error - that it's talent on loan from halliburton
) - it won't happen because the powers that be WANT Conservative radio. The gatekeepers benefit from Bush, they don't benefit from people that want diversity.Look at the stock market, and look how much LESS money is in your pocket. I came back from a political meeting tonight regarding Mandatory Health Coverage http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/04/04/AR2006040401937.html
This may be a "blue" state, but I blame Romney:
"We insist that everybody who drives a car has insurance," Gov. Mitt Romney (R) said regarding the health insurance bill. "And cars are a lot less expensive than people." (By Julia Makalie -- Associated Press)
Who benefits from this? Big business. As one Senator said at the meet, most industrialized countries have national health care. There is not enough oversight with this Big Business Selling Health Care thing.
As I told that Senator, it is all terribly confusing, but at least we're getting some information on it incrementally.
The crowd of citizens in a church hall this past evening said something to me: people do care about issues. If you build it they will come. Do you really think Howie Carr's constituents were in attendance? Please. Ed Schultz is far more informative, as is NPR. We now have options for talk radio in Boston, as tiny as the 1430 signal is.
Give Schultz a 50,000 watt station. Put him on 96.9. Both RKO and 96.9 are dropping. This is a blue state.
We don't have the information on how we'll they'll do because they are muzzled. See Keith Olbermann above.
Progressive talk, think Stern, does work. Why do the progressives - like Stern - get NO support when they initially launch their ideas? Olbermann gets muzzled while Hannity gets pampered. A lot easier to get audience if a corporation is backing you. Do you really think John DePetro offers anything of value to this community?
Karl Rove could've lost it all had Gore been allowed to take office. The "genius", if you want to call it that, is what Alan Rickman called himself in Die Hard "An exceptional thief" and since he's moving up to kidnapping you'd better watch your step! They kidnapped the election. No genius there. Conservative radio was an important element, but they couldn't win it without the theft. And they'll have to steal the next election or it will all come crumbling down. Just my opinion.
Let's start a thread when Howard is controversial. Why it won't get zillions of hits - there's not enough of an audience here. Our Radio-Info group pales next to other boards that talk about movies, The Rolling Stones, things other than a radio insider's club.
Speaking of Stones, if you've read this far, here's my latest masterpiece:
http://www.townonline.com/medford/artsLifestyle/view.bg?articleid=601620&format=&page=1
Home > Medford Transcript > Arts & Lifestyle
Exiled Genius
By Joe Viglione/ Correspondent
Thursday, October 26, 2006
(C)2006 Joe Viglione All Rights Reserved
C
Casablanca
Guest
If I read the Phoenix I probably would have but in this poster's opinion Stephen Mindich is a man of few word...all four letters. He is as distasteful as most of the "Talent" at WRKO.
As to WRKO and this election, they are like all Conservative Republicrats - when things get tough for them they dump their friends and say to the world they were not true believers anyway. Now that the polling nearly assures a landslide for Deval Patrick you hear the likes of Scooto Miller and howie throwing Muffy off the boat without a life preserver. Muffy, with friends like that you don't need perceived enemies like Deval Patrick. Et tu Brutus....?
As to WRKO and this election, they are like all Conservative Republicrats - when things get tough for them they dump their friends and say to the world they were not true believers anyway. Now that the polling nearly assures a landslide for Deval Patrick you hear the likes of Scooto Miller and howie throwing Muffy off the boat without a life preserver. Muffy, with friends like that you don't need perceived enemies like Deval Patrick. Et tu Brutus....?
SonicAl said:
raccoonradio said:
Amazing what short memories some people have. Not only did Howie slam Jane Swift, repeatedly ("bride of Chucky" was one of his favorite nicknames for her), but when 60 Minutes did a piece about her, they interviewed him, and he called her "a political kleptomaniac." He was quite outraged that she took six weeks of maternity leave during her term as acting governor, when other state employees don't get nearly that much, and he took her to task for trying to oust Jordan Levy and Christy Mihos from the Turnpike Authority. Right from the outset, he had no respect whatsoever for her abilities as a politician, and he said so repeatedly.
Yes, Howie is nominally a Republican, but doesn't mean he goes down the line with them 100% of the time.
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Mickey37
Guest
Varulven said:
Howard Stern's terrestrial show was (will be?) groundbreaking. Progressive, though? Maybe you can make the argument that he took discussion of bodily functions and body parts to a new level.
Stern's supported Kerry in '04 only because he thought a Democrat would automatically stop the FCC from harassing him. Does that make him progressive, or looking out for #1?
Joe your not getting this.... It's a business! Its not public radio. These big corporations will put on the air whatever will sell. What they care about is profit! They don't mix their politics with what they put on the air.
If this was a conservative area or a Red State then one of the big four would put liberal radio on the air. Whether Air America or more probably with our market size their own left leaning hosts. They do this in other parts of the country.
To get talk radio to work you don't want to fit in. You want to stand out and stir up controversy. No one is going to regularly call or listen to a talk show they agree with. Just look at this board. It's why Air America will probably be gone when CC gets their power increase on KOX. It won't get a much larger larger audience here just because of our blue state. What you want is the opposite of what you have to make money.
If this was a conservative area or a Red State then one of the big four would put liberal radio on the air. Whether Air America or more probably with our market size their own left leaning hosts. They do this in other parts of the country.
To get talk radio to work you don't want to fit in. You want to stand out and stir up controversy. No one is going to regularly call or listen to a talk show they agree with. Just look at this board. It's why Air America will probably be gone when CC gets their power increase on KOX. It won't get a much larger larger audience here just because of our blue state. What you want is the opposite of what you have to make money.
D
Django
Guest
Ed Schultz is a bore and his ratings suck. Jones picked the right person in Stephanie Miller but Ed wouldn't be a hit if he had every publicity dime and outlet Sean Hannity enjoys. Any enterprising person or conglomerate would be falling all over themselves finding talent, marketing said talent and distributing progressive radio in America if they thought it could make them or their shareholders a buck. If you deny this reality, you're braindead. If you think there's some conspiracy to stop that from happening, you're no different than those 9/11 Truth Movement morons.
Re: Moderator and Raccoon please note:
No. What energizes people one way or another is entertaining, compelling talk radio that gives you a reason to listen, doesn't constantly hammer home the exact same mantra time after time after time and is occasionally funny. It matters not whether it's conservative, liberal, black, white, yellow or chartreuse. Air America has failed miserably because it's strictly a one-note song ("Bush bad") and because most of its hosts are not radio people and have no understanding of how to entertain on the radio. I know plenty of liberals who used to love listening to Rush, because his bits were funny and he could make people stop and think. (Not anymore, though...he's become a caricature of himself and his listenership is on a downward trend).
Views and replies on a message board have nothing to do with why people listen to talk radio.
Mickey37 said:
No. What energizes people one way or another is entertaining, compelling talk radio that gives you a reason to listen, doesn't constantly hammer home the exact same mantra time after time after time and is occasionally funny. It matters not whether it's conservative, liberal, black, white, yellow or chartreuse. Air America has failed miserably because it's strictly a one-note song ("Bush bad") and because most of its hosts are not radio people and have no understanding of how to entertain on the radio. I know plenty of liberals who used to love listening to Rush, because his bits were funny and he could make people stop and think. (Not anymore, though...he's become a caricature of himself and his listenership is on a downward trend).
Mickey37 said:
Views and replies on a message board have nothing to do with why people listen to talk radio.
>>most of its hosts are not radio people
Agreed!
>>What you want is the opposite of what you have to make money.
Exactly. By the same token on cable TV, Fox News Channel went after the audience that felt like it wasn't being served/viewers who felt they weren't being represented. Now many FNC shows beat out CNN,
MSNBC, etc....and CNN is actually trying to mimic Fox a bit (Glenn Beck, for example) to try and get this
audience.
Agreed!
>>What you want is the opposite of what you have to make money.
Exactly. By the same token on cable TV, Fox News Channel went after the audience that felt like it wasn't being served/viewers who felt they weren't being represented. Now many FNC shows beat out CNN,
MSNBC, etc....and CNN is actually trying to mimic Fox a bit (Glenn Beck, for example) to try and get this
audience.
>>Amazing what short memories some people have
And of course I was being sarcastic--of course HC bashed Jane (even these days when he's playing her
laugh on the air. Remember "I'm in a firing mood?"--Jane later claimed to have said "fiery mood"...)
Howie has said he used to be a Dem. but later registered as Unenrolled (so did I) in part so he could take part in primary elections for whatever party he chooses, etc. Like many in New England he may have been considered a conservative Democrat but these days the Dem. party is trying to cut that wing of the party off.
It's why Joe Lieberman was defeated in the CT primary--by the base of the Dem. party--but may wind up
winning the election because the more moderate or conservative voters out there/independents will go for him.
It's also why Gore and Kerry lost because many states (esp. South and the middle of the country) had
more conservative or moderate voters. (Gore btw was considered a conservative in the past but when
Gore lost his home state of TN in 2000, voters said it was because he didn't represent their conservative views after all...and had Gore won TN he would have won the Presidency, Florida or no Florida... Or at the very least Gore took TN for granted--and it was the more moderate, independent voters who abandoned
him for Bush. It didn't help that Gore hardly ever came back to his home state since '92, etc.)
And of course I was being sarcastic--of course HC bashed Jane (even these days when he's playing her
laugh on the air. Remember "I'm in a firing mood?"--Jane later claimed to have said "fiery mood"...)
Howie has said he used to be a Dem. but later registered as Unenrolled (so did I) in part so he could take part in primary elections for whatever party he chooses, etc. Like many in New England he may have been considered a conservative Democrat but these days the Dem. party is trying to cut that wing of the party off.
It's why Joe Lieberman was defeated in the CT primary--by the base of the Dem. party--but may wind up
winning the election because the more moderate or conservative voters out there/independents will go for him.
It's also why Gore and Kerry lost because many states (esp. South and the middle of the country) had
more conservative or moderate voters. (Gore btw was considered a conservative in the past but when
Gore lost his home state of TN in 2000, voters said it was because he didn't represent their conservative views after all...and had Gore won TN he would have won the Presidency, Florida or no Florida... Or at the very least Gore took TN for granted--and it was the more moderate, independent voters who abandoned
him for Bush. It didn't help that Gore hardly ever came back to his home state since '92, etc.)
>>Air America has failed miserably because it's strictly a one-note song ("Bush bad")>>
No, as I have said many times to many people who keep repeating this folklore:
Air America failed because of a stupid business plan, that attempted to start up a whole, free-standing network and news department with NO OTHER REVENUE STREAM to seed the massive start-up costs of such a thing. Salem's talk network is funded by the other Salem streams. Fox News Channel lost trainloads of money for the first several years, while The News Corp BOUGHT them on to local cable systems and absorbed all the start-up costs through the partent company.
As far as a "one-note" goes...for God's sake....what do you think Rush was during the Clinton administration? According to Rush, Bill and Hillary were devils which caused every single problem on earth.
No, as I have said many times to many people who keep repeating this folklore:
Air America failed because of a stupid business plan, that attempted to start up a whole, free-standing network and news department with NO OTHER REVENUE STREAM to seed the massive start-up costs of such a thing. Salem's talk network is funded by the other Salem streams. Fox News Channel lost trainloads of money for the first several years, while The News Corp BOUGHT them on to local cable systems and absorbed all the start-up costs through the partent company.
As far as a "one-note" goes...for God's sake....what do you think Rush was during the Clinton administration? According to Rush, Bill and Hillary were devils which caused every single problem on earth.
Johnny says "Joe your not getting this.... It's a business! Its not public radio. These big corporations will put on the air whatever will sell.
Hey, I said upfront its my opinion. Olbermann is selling but they put him on vacation to shut him up re: Ohio vote? That seems to take the wind out of your argument. Django hasn't looked at the Ed Schultz numbers across the U.S. - why would he be on Larry King? King isn't going to put anything on that doesn't sell. Period.
Again, this is an opinion board. I choose to mix facts in with my opinion while many others have knee-jerk reactions. That's the beauty of public discussion.
Hey, I said upfront its my opinion. Olbermann is selling but they put him on vacation to shut him up re: Ohio vote? That seems to take the wind out of your argument. Django hasn't looked at the Ed Schultz numbers across the U.S. - why would he be on Larry King? King isn't going to put anything on that doesn't sell. Period.
Again, this is an opinion board. I choose to mix facts in with my opinion while many others have knee-jerk reactions. That's the beauty of public discussion.
SonicAl said:
I'm amazed that the Phoenix even wasted its newspaper and web space with this article. They discuss a station that, in its target demos, can't get better than 2 or 3 shares (meaning: 97-98% of the people with radios on AREN'T listening to them), in the Boston market area only (meaning: the rest of the state doesn't receive their signal). The station has essentially no influence at all on anyone. To worry that even that tiny percentage that does listen to them is swayed by their agenda (and lies in the service of that agenda) is a waste of time, effort and money.
Of course, the Phoenix has no agenda themselves, do they? :
HHH said:
No, as those actually working in the business know for a fact:
They could have had the best possible business plan in place...and with talk hosts like the ones they hired, it would still have fallen into the toilet.
And yes, Rush usually blames the Clintons for everything, but not all the time. He's criticized W as well. AAR's hosts blame W for everything.
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chuckydoll
Guest
WRKO was doing stuff like that in the 80's
Two newspeople resigned from WRKO in 1989 when they learned the station gave a broadcast tape to the Republican Party. The story made Billboard, which was still covering radio at the time.
Big Media and Big Business have long had a soft spot for right-wing politics. Why do you think Jack Welch wants to buy the Globe?
Two newspeople resigned from WRKO in 1989 when they learned the station gave a broadcast tape to the Republican Party. The story made Billboard, which was still covering radio at the time.
Big Media and Big Business have long had a soft spot for right-wing politics. Why do you think Jack Welch wants to buy the Globe?
Varulven said:
Media Phenomenon???? Give me a break! Stern is the king of self-promotion and that's about it. Like Rush, his day is past. Yes, he was cutting edge in his day, but, like Rush he's become a caricature of himself. I'm sure if he returns to terrestrial radio he'll find a way to make it look like he's making a triumphant return instead of crawling back after a less-than-stellar run on Sirius, but it remains to be seen if he'll be viewed with the awe and respect he seems to think he deserves.
Stern is not progressive. Stern is about dropping the f-bomb and naked lesbians. He's capable of doing better radio than this, but chooses not to. Up until his move to satellite he's been successful.
I dislike the term "progressive" talk as a synonym for leftist talk. "Progressive" means forward-thinking, new ideas...I hear very little besides Bush bashing and angry rants on AAR and it's equivalents. Maybe that's got a lot to do with it's lack of acceptance. Maybe people are just getting sick of "if you don't agree with my views you're an idiot" radio...this holds equally true for idealogues of the left and right.
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