Boston September 2012 PPM's

[iyiyi]

Comparing WEPN to WEEI is total apples and oranges. WEPN was always the second tier sports station in NYC, WFAN was and is king. WEEI was the big dog in town for the better part of 2 decades. While it's neck and neck with TSH, WEEI has a more loyal fan base than syndicated ESPN programming. The FM simulcast has been going on for a year. There's no concern.

Beg to differ, Amigo. WEPN, like WEEI built their audience on AM. WEEI-FM has been simulcasting 850 for about one year now. WEPN moved to 98.7 FM about 6 months ago. I don't remember if WEPN simulcasted 1050 for a while or just jumped straight to 98.7. It doesn't really matter.

The ratings have been trending downward for WEPN since going to FM. The ratings have not shown anything that I can see for WEEI since adding 93.7. The Book says that WEEI AM and WEEI FM simulcast is currently second dog to 98.5. You are right that WEEI was top dog better part of 2 decades. They ain't now!

Do you think that the stand alone WEEI on the 93.7 rimshot will be able to beat the mighty 98.5, centrally located WBZ-FM signal? God bless you and we'll see what the next few Books have to say about the matter!

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[reelyreal]

Beg to differ, Amigo. WEPN, like WEEI built their audience on AM. WEEI-FM has been simulcasting 850 for about one year now. WEPN moved to 98.7 FM about 6 months ago. I don't remember if WEPN simulcasted 1050 for a while or just jumped straight to 98.7. It doesn't really matter.

The ratings have been trending downward for WEPN since going to FM. The ratings have not shown anything that I can see for WEEI since adding 93.7. The Book says that WEEI AM and WEEI FM simulcast is currently second dog to 98.5. You are right that WEEI was top dog better part of 2 decades. They ain't now!

Do you think that the stand alone WEEI on the 93.7 rimshot will be able to beat the mighty 98.5, centrally located WBZ-FM signal? God bless you and we'll see what the next few Books have to say about the matter!

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WEEI and WBZ-FM are neck and neck. Some months (like last month) WEEI is on top. Some months, WBZ-FM is on top. Try again.

Ask WBZ-FM if they'd prefer to have a single B on the Pru or a New England-wide network. Let me know how that works out.

Show me some real facts how WEPN and WEEI are the same situation. C'mon. Give me something. All you've given me here is "WEPN was on AM, WEEI was on AM. WEPN is now on FM, WEEI is now on FM."

Apples and oranges.

 

[Fenway1912]

Beg to differ, Amigo. WEPN, like WEEI built their audience on AM. WEEI-FM has been simulcasting 850 for about one year now. WEPN moved to 98.7 FM about 6 months ago. I don't remember if WEPN simulcasted 1050 for a while or just jumped straight to 98.7. It doesn't really matter.

The ratings have been trending downward for WEPN since going to FM. The ratings have not shown anything that I can see for WEEI since adding 93.7. The Book says that WEEI AM and WEEI FM simulcast is currently second dog to 98.5. You are right that WEEI was top dog better part of 2 decades. They ain't now!

Do you think that the stand alone WEEI on the 93.7 rimshot will be able to beat the mighty 98.5, centrally located WBZ-FM signal? God bless you and we'll see what the next few Books have to say about the matter!

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WEEI and WBZ-FM are neck and neck. Some months (like last month) WEEI is on top. Some months, WBZ-FM is on top. Try again.

Ask WBZ-FM if they'd prefer to have a single B on the Pru or a New England-wide network. Let me know how that works out.

Show me some real facts how WEPN and WEEI are the same situation. C'mon. Give me something. All you've given me here is "WEPN was on AM, WEEI was on AM. WEPN is now on FM, WEEI is now on FM."

Apples and oranges.

WBZ-FM's stick is on 128FM which covers most of Rhode Island which is why sports was put on 98.5 than 104.1.

They have shown no interest in syndicating to Maine or Western MA.

After 3 years WBZ-FM has split the pie in half and EEI is no longer mailing it in.

 

[raccoonradio]

In Cle. CBS started a sports talker on 92.3 but no play by play. They just tried to get the Indians
but WTAM 1100 (Clear Channel) got them again. Not sure if they can get Browns or Cavs.
The 92.3 signal isn't centrally located--the 98.5 they have is better but they don't want to dump
classic rock. It's poss. the Indians decided not to go with CBS because they were hesitant
about moving "The Fan" to the better 98.5 signal. I'm not sure how well they're doing in the ratings
but CBS wanted to try and replicate stations like The Sports Hub out there.

From when they switched (WKNR is on 850...weird, not only does Bos. and Cle. have many of the same freqs but the same format is often on those same freqs. If 98.5 in Cle. flips with 92.3,
both cities would have sports on 98.5)
http://www.cleveland.com/entertainment/index.ssf/2011/09/wkrk_fm923_the_fan_replaces_ro.html

Sep of '11:
>>Gorman pointed out that the real excitement will be when the Indians, Cavaliers and Browns start peddling their broadcast rights. The Indians contract with WTAM AM/1100 -- a Clear Channel station -- runs through the end of the 2012 season. Cavs spokesman Tad Carper said the team has "multiple years" remaining on its contract with WTAM, but declined to be specific. Neal Gulkis of the Browns said the team's broadcast contract with WMMS FM/100.7 lasts through this season, with an option for next year. But the advantage right now seems to rest with 92.3 The Fan, Gorman said. As a CBS affiliate The Fan has access to Westwood One national broadcasts including "Monday Night Football," as well as other professional and college games. While WKNR is an ESPN affiliate, its weakened signal after darkbecomes a factor

 

[reelyreal]

WBZ-FM's stick is on 128FM which covers most of Rhode Island which is why sports was put on 98.5 than 104.1.

They have shown no interest in syndicating to Maine or Western MA.

After 3 years WBZ-FM has split the pie in half and EEI is no longer mailing it in.

WEEI's ratings are hanging right where they were in early 2009 before the launch of WBZ-FM, give or take some normal fluctuations. That's not half. The Sports Hub generated new listening.

 

[aaronread]

WBZ-FM's stick is on 128FM which covers most of Rhode Island which is why sports was put on 98.5 than 104.1.

"Most of Rhode Island"? That's a bit much. None of the Boston stations really reach down into south county or newport. Most of the Boston-area Class B's cover PROVIDENCE fairly well, at least for in-car listening. But not the whole state.

Of course, if you're a BOSTON station, you probably don't care about much past Providence anyways...if even that far.

 

[Jacko]

From personal experience growing up in southern RI, the class B signals from FM-128 had a bit better signal than the Pru stations. On my home receiver, I could often get a stereo signal from 94.5, 98.5, 103.3, and at that time, 92.9 (before they moved to the Pru.) 100.7, 105.7, 106.7, and the other Pru stations typically were listenable, but only in mono. Where I lived, 104.1 was hard to receive because I lived so close to the 103.7 tower--then WRX, now WVEI.

Because of 103.7's presence, most of RI does listen to WEEI. Prior to WEEI simulcasting on 103.7, there was "The Score," which has some listenership. A lot of sports fans listen to 660 WFAN, which has a strong signal across most of Rhode Island.

Jacko

 

[dyeingeye]

WBZ-FM's stick is on 128FM which covers most of Rhode Island which is why sports was put on 98.5 than 104.1.

They have shown no interest in syndicating to Maine or Western MA.

After 3 years WBZ-FM has split the pie in half and EEI is no longer mailing it in.

WEEI's ratings are hanging right where they were in early 2009 before the launch of WBZ-FM, give or take some normal fluctuations. That's not half. The Sports Hub generated new listening.

Do you have a sense of where the listeners came from? Non-listeners or other stations? Let me guess, a little of both.

 

[iyiyi]

WEEI's ratings are hanging right where they were in early 2009 before the launch of WBZ-FM, give or take some normal fluctuations. That's not half. The Sports Hub generated new listening.

Exactly. Somebody finally got things right. Rather than ruin yet another music station with "personality" programming, a great realization dawned. O&A, T&R, KOAM, Don & Mike and yes, even Loveline would have worked perfectly with a hot sports talk format. T&R is proving that with the super ratings that 98.5 is "sporting" thanks to an excellent morning show that lays a solid foundation for the rest of the day's talk programming! Their programming hits the the desired demo right on the head with no tune outs after the show.

WEEI's numbers included a large amount of "creatures of habit" that have been P1s of 850 for a goodly amount of years. Flipping 850 to ESPN has the downside of causing many of 850's listeners to feel "abandoned". I believe that this will be reflected in the next Book.

CBS did things right by creating new listenership. We will soon see if the WEEI to 93.7/ 850 to ESPN alienates any faithful audience.

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[Fenway1912]

WBZ-FM's stick is on 128FM which covers most of Rhode Island which is why sports was put on 98.5 than 104.1.

They have shown no interest in syndicating to Maine or Western MA.

After 3 years WBZ-FM has split the pie in half and EEI is no longer mailing it in.

WEEI's ratings are hanging right where they were in early 2009 before the launch of WBZ-FM, give or take some normal fluctuations. That's not half. The Sports Hub generated new listening.

The majority of sports radio listeners bounce between the 2 stations.

Is 850 still reminding people of the move as I haven't listened since the flip.

 

[raccoonradio]

Yes last night and today they were running two types of announcements:

--if you want their local hosts, Sox, C's etc move up to 93.7 FM, a clear strong signal.
Note they didn't say stereo. Because it isn't

and
--ESPN 850 with various shows, playoff baseball, etc.
Usually Pete Gustin, sometimes Jim Cutler

 

[mgpt6]

I noticed when waiting for a flight at Logan, that WEEI-FM HD-1 was in stereo. Can get 93.7 in HD at airport but not a t home, too far south of Boston. Wish , 93.7 was at -14 db digital power.

 

[indystorm]

That's because WROR is garbage. I went to AM 740, WJIB... much better selection of great music..!

Looks like the classic hits/oldies crowd abandoned by WODS might have tried out WROR and not liked it. I wonder where they went.

 

[CTListener]

Hard to see the typical WODS listener migrating there -- too sleepy, too obscure, and yes, there's the AM thing working against it, not to mention the 250 watts thing. WBOQ up in Gloucester is much closer to WODS in sound and playlist and, while its coverage of the Boston market is limited, it still has a broader reach than WJIB.

It's amazing to me that there's no station on Boston FM now that's playing Motown hits -- '60s or '70s -- anymore. But then, as my driver's license keeps reminding me, I'm now in the demographic that corporate radio and ad agencies wish would just hurry up and die and stop showing up in the ratings.

That's because WROR is garbage. I went to AM 740, WJIB... much better selection of great music..!

Looks like the classic hits/oldies crowd abandoned by WODS might have tried out WROR and not liked it. I wonder where they went.

 

[raccoonradio]

WEEI FM HD 1 may be stereo but the reg. WEEI FM signal probably in mono

 

[promixcuous]

It's amazing to me that there's no station on Boston FM now that's playing Motown hits -- '60s or '70s -- anymore.

I was just thinking that!

 

[CTListener]

It's amazing to me that there's no station on Boston FM now that's playing Motown hits -- '60s or '70s -- anymore.

I was just thinking that!

In the past two hours, WBOQ has played "Tears of a Clown," "Ain't Too Proud to Beg" and "Love Machine" from Motown, along with a couple of other monster soul hits, "Love Train" and "That Lady." Suddenly nobody in Boston under 55 likes those songs anymore?

 

[Eli Polonsky]

It's amazing to me that there's no station on Boston FM now that's playing Motown hits -- '60s or '70s -- anymore.

A small handful of some of the biggest '60s/'70s Motown hits are in rotation on WMJX, and always have been. I'm guessing that may be why WROR doesn't normally play them (except for only on "Motown Mondays"), because Greater Media may not want WROR to compete with WMJX playing the same songs (more than one day a week).

WMJX also has some of the small handful of '70s disco hits that WODS used to play in rotation, that WROR does not play.