Brain it out here for the new DFW format...

[van hespen]

JusNow it has happened in Baltimore...

CC's smooth jazz WSMJ in Baltimore has added BA's Smooth Jazz Network Ramsey Lewis (mornings) & Dave Koz (PM drive) on Tuesday, Nov. 27.

WSMJ PD Lori Lewis remarked that the audience and the advertisers have responded with excitement over both talents.

http://www.wsmj1043.com/main.html

« Last Edit: Today at 01:12:25 pm by jeffdfw

I just saw this post by JeffDfw on the Smooth jazz thread. Does anyone really know? What has CC done in other markets besides Baltimore? Here's the post--

 

[jeffdfw]

JusNow it has happened in Baltimore...

CC's smooth jazz WSMJ in Baltimore has added BA's Smooth Jazz Network Ramsey Lewis (mornings) & Dave Koz (PM drive) on Tuesday, Nov. 27.

WSMJ PD Lori Lewis remarked that the audience and the advertisers have responded with excitement over both talents.

http://www.wsmj1043.com/main.html

« Last Edit: Today at 01:12:25 pm by jeffdfw

I just saw this post by JeffDfw on the Smooth jazz thread. Does anyone really know? What has CC done in other markets besides Baltimore? Here's the post--

www.kyot.com
www.kmyt945.com
www.wnua.com
www.wjcd.com
www.love94.com
www.nmsmoothjazz1041.com
www.smoothjazz1071.com

 

[little1]

(and KEOM to an extent) is that they try to keep everybody happy, they play AOR, pop, disco/dance, etc...

That's the whole point! It's 70's Top 40. Essentially the format is how you would have heard 70's music when it was new.

R

2 things- it's not new anymore, and the trend is toward segmentation.

I've been meaning to ask what kind of TSL you guys have there, because frankly, I usually tune out after 4-5 songs because you invariable play something I can't stand...

My personal kryptonite is some of the overly sappy stuff. So you can be rocking along fine, but when you roll out Barry Manilow, or "Seasons in the Sun", or, (God Forbid) 'Shannon", I'm reaching for the pushbuttons...

And I'll venture to say this- if you were a commercial station, chances are you'd be narrowing your playlist to focus on your core in an attempt to boost TSL..You can afford not to because your jobs aren't riding on the next book...

And if you don't think segmentation is huge, consider Elton John. Candle in the Wind and Funeral for a friend/Love Lies Bleeding are from the same album. You might hear LLB/FFAF on a classic rock or classic hits type station. But CITW is much more likely to be on AC, etc, right? It's because certain segments of teh audience are more familiar with certain songs, some are more acceptable to certain audiences, etc...The PD's aren't saying "Oh, it's an Elton John song from 1975 (?) it doesn't matter what we play", they're trying to play the song that best fits the audience they're trying to attract...

Now, i might not be your target audience, but if It applies to me, odds are it applies to others- and while yes, some might sit through anything you play, I wouldn't be at all suprised to find out that different songs are punch outs to different parts of your audience...

Manilow for me,while "Renegade" is a punch out for the old women that love Manilow...

 

[VERITAS DE VOCE]

"30,000 dollar millionare cheese balls" ??? Explain?

Mike, this is a timely question. Check out last week's Observer for a hilarious article called, "******bags in the Midst." It's all about our Uptown idiots with all of this discretionary income and hits the clubs claiming he has all of this cash. It is one of the funniest articles I have read in a long, long time. Genius writing by Andrea Grimes. ;D

 

[johnqdoe]

"30,000 dollar millionare cheese balls" ??? Explain?

Mike, this is a timely question. Check out last week's Observer for a hilarious article called, "******bags in the Midst." It's all about our Uptown idiots with all of this discretionary income and hits the clubs claiming he has all of this cash. It is one of the funniest articles I have read in a long, long time. Genius writing by Andrea Grimes. ;D

And it is DEAD ON....Those ******bags and the bleach blonde bimbos chasing doctors are what make Dallas...well...Dallas!!!!

 

[Robert Bass]

Little1,

IIRC the Spring 07 book shows TSL around 3.5 hours. That's about average for every book. There was one book that showed 5.9, but I'm guessing that was a fluke.

Renegade isn't one of the songs on the playlist. Too intense.

Yes the music isn't new anymore, but that doesn't mean it can't be presented how it was in the day.

I wasn't aware of a 1970's version of CITW. The version I have heard was the 80's version.

R

 

[salemjedi54]

Mark my words: Clear Channel will NOT be launching an Oldies, Smooth Jazz, or Contemporary Black Gospel station. It doesn't matter how you look at the market, these formats just are not viable or in the case of Oldies, already taken.

Wouldn't it be hard to believe that they would run a month of commercial free music an then flip to a format that is not at least somewhat compatible with the audience that they have built up?

How do you know they would not work?

If you have an EFFECTIVE MARKETING PLAN any thing will work. If you don't have experience in marketing to the black community, then you may not know how to make it work.

 

[salemjedi54]

Well first of all, there is a spot in this market for a smooth jazz station and second it's still popular around here.

Maybe so, but it is not popular enough and not with the right demographics to support a Cedar Hill stick and certainly not from Clear Channel. The economics just don't work.

I could see Smooth Jazz on one of the rimshots though. K-SOUL? Radio One would probably try Gospel first.

I think the new format will be smooth jazz, because I never heard Ramsey Lewis's morning show, and Dave Koz used to have his radio show on the weekends on the Oasis, remember??

I do not think that that is convincing evidence.

Well judging from all the folks that I talk to and hang out with, they miss The Oasis. They ask me all the time what happened to it. Smooth Jazz might work on 94.5, but honestly, I would rather see something else on 94.5. DFW needs a full signal gospel or smooth jazz station. Hell put that crap they all hip hop now on 94.5 and let 97.9 be a gospel or jazz station.

 

[MikeShannon914]

So you can be rocking along fine, but when you roll out...(God Forbid) 'Shannon", I'm reaching for the pushbuttons...

If the shoe fits, should I wear it?!? ;D

I wasn't aware of a 1970's version of CITW. The version I have heard was the 80's version.

Indeed there was, on the "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road" double album. It's a studio version, not to be confused with the 80s live version, or the 90s "Diana" version. Wonder what the 2000's version will be? "Grey Seal" is another semi-hit from GBYBR that got some semi-regular airplay on KZPS; same for "Harmony."

 

[War Of Attrition]

Well judging from all the folks that I talk to and hang out with, they miss The Oasis.

This is like saying "Everyone I know is an American, therefore people from other nations must not exist". When evaluating mass-media markets, anecdotal evidence from your "social graph" is not very useful in determining a potential product's viability.

Hell put that crap they all hip hop now on 94.5 and let 97.9 be a gospel or jazz station.

You are clueless.

 

[salemjedi54]

Well judging from all the folks that I talk to and hang out with, they miss The Oasis.

This is like saying "Everyone I know is an American, therefore people from other nations must not exist". When evaluating mass-media markets, anecdotal evidence from your "social graph" is not very useful in determining a potential product's viability.

Hell put that crap they all hip hop now on 94.5 and let 97.9 be a gospel or jazz station.

You are clueless.

Thanks for your opinion.....

 

[War Of Attrition]

Thanks for your opinion.....

Let me add one more anecdotal item: I am not a Smooth Jazz hater. I like SJ and used to listen to The Oasis; I never listen to Movin.

 

[salemjedi54]

Thanks for your opinion.....

Let me add one more anecdotal item: I am not a Smooth Jazz hater. I like SJ and used to listen to The Oasis; I never listen to Movin.

I listen to Movin...when I am in my son's room. When Gannett had KOAI at 106.1, it was the perfect station. Granum did okay with it at 107.5, but CBS blew it. Smooth Jazz is a pure format and you have to cater to your demo.

 

[VERITAS DE VOCE]

Well judging from all the folks that I talk to and hang out with, they miss The Oasis.

This is like saying "Everyone I know is an American, therefore people from other nations must not exist". When evaluating mass-media markets, anecdotal evidence from your "social graph" is not very useful in determining a potential product's viability.

Hell put that crap they all hip hop now on 94.5 and let 97.9 be a gospel or jazz station.

You are clueless.

Great debate protocol there, WOA. This pseudo, non-sequitar linear thinking of yours misses the mark you are trying to paint. You have no idea if Salem is talking about some guys he went to school with, or if every person he is referencing works in the media, in radio and in Dallas and has every bit of street cred to say what they thought of SJ as a viable format (106.1 version, not the tooled over 107.5 one). BTW, I am not a geography whiz but every person I know (not familiar with) is an American, but I still believe the world's not flat.

And speaking of idiotic, shilled, blanket statements, "You are clueless." Nice. Incidentally, about what, pray tell? That his opinion is fairly terse about thuggish rap music? Or perhaps he has a slight affinity for the Lord and Gospel music? It's OK... trust me... to not agree with everything you read, hear or even say. But to bash someone without offering your own salient points of reference is nothing more than bullying brouhaha. Come on, haven't radio CONsultants taught you anything in this market?! IJS ;D

Now of course, he took the high road. Unfortunately, I have an older MAPSCO that doesn't have that route on it.

 

[War Of Attrition]

Great debate protocol there, WOA.

No debate protocol. Salem said something stupid and I called him out on it.

You have no idea if Salem is talking about some guys he went to school with, or if every person he is referencing works in the media, in radio and in Dallas and has every bit of street cred to say what they thought of SJ as a viable format (106.1 version, not the tooled over 107.5 one).

That is just the point. It doesn't really matter who he talking about. The fact that it is anecdotal and not market-wide research is precisely the reason why it is irrelevant in this discussion. And clearly from the context of his comment, the buddies he referenced are not the decision-makers at CC Dallas.

And speaking of idiotic, shilled, blanket statements, "You are clueless." Nice. Incidentally, about what, pray tell?

Salem's last suggestion of moving The Beat to 94.5 and turning 97.9 into a Gospel or Smooth Jazz station is a ridiculous notion.

The Beat is doing very well by all metrics. Gospel is a notoriously poor biller. I believe only Adult Standards has a worse power ratio. And Smooth Jazz, as much as I enjoy the format, is dying in market after market across the country. It has already died here in Dallas.

Perhaps you should look into XM. Watercolors is a pretty good channel.

 

[VERITAS DE VOCE]

Salem's last suggestion of moving The Beat to 94.5 and turning 97.9 into a Gospel or Smooth Jazz station is a ridiculous notion.

The Beat is doing very well by all metrics. Gospel is a notoriously poor biller. I believe only Adult Standards has a worse power ratio. And Smooth Jazz, as much as I enjoy the format, is dying in market after market across the country. It has already died here in Dallas.

Perhaps you should look into XM. Watercolors is a pretty good channel.

You know, I agree that moving the format down the dial is more altruistic than pragmatic, but the liquidated SJ format was the death of it on-air, not the pure version of it noted on 106.1. If the CONsultants stay out of it and stop playing the new age/R&B/lukewarm horn playing crap, we may have something... and what a better place for it than in the middle of the dial.

Gospel plays bad on FM in most markets, but I think it may do good in Big D. There is much, much larger Gospel-lovin' contingent in this market than you may realize.

 

[little1]

Vdv- what do you base that last statement on? Because I think the point WOA is making is that while you may BELEIVE there's a large contingent of gospel loving folk out there, is there anything, anything at all, that backs that up.

And no, the line for the sunday morning Gospel brunch at Dicks Last Resort or the House of Blues doesn't count...What indication is there that radio-wise, the gospel audience is underserved. Enough that it would be worthwhile to flip a station to that format.


(And one more thing- isn't there the chance that the reason they watered down SJ with the stuff the purists don't like was because the pure version wasn't successful enough either in ratings or revenue to allow it to stay as it once was?
In other words, you guys are calling for a return of a format that died years ago, and yet you think it'll be succesful THIS time...yeah, okay...)

 

[jd]

This is like saying "Everyone I know is an American, therefore people from other nations must not exist".

No, that's not similar. Salemjedi was stating an opinion based on talking with his friends. Nothing more, nothing less.

Maybe it's a not a violation of debate protocol, like VDV said, but I detect a lack of decorum. You called him out for a "stupid statement"? Why not qualify that as your opinion? Did it occur to you that salemjedi, possibly out of frustration, was simply thinking out loud? I suspect that he's aware that the Beat isn't going to be relegated to a rim-shot and maybe he was stating his personal desire for another format on a full-market signal. This is a board for expressing opinions and "You are clueless," in my opinion, was uncalled for.

 

[boingo]

OK, let's look at the Clear Channel picture here guys. They have TWO choices to replace the impulsive, dumb-ass switch from Sunny to La Presiosa. Yes, they could go with Smooth Jazz like everybody's talking about. Would it be better? Of course. Would it be the BEST choice? No. The problem lies with J.D. Freeman and the rest of his brilliant cronies eating crow and admitting they made a huge mistake. They're too blind to realize that KLUV is on the verge of becoming the #1 station in Dallas. Is it because KLUV is so wonderful? Please...I believe only a huge ego morning personality buys into that one. It's because the baby-boomers (most of America), have NO WHERE TO GO!! If Freeman wanted to be a hero with the suits who pay him, he would grab a huge piece of that high-advertising dollar and kick some butt with personalities who can actually think and speak at the same time and a WELL DONE music format of A/C and Oldies. It's a no brainer, but who at CC has one of those? Now let's all sit back and watch this wonderful management team pick another format out of the hat. This should be amusing to watch. Hey J.D., surprise us and impress us at the same time if it's not too late.

 

[salemjedi54]

Great debate protocol there, WOA.

No debate protocol. Salem said something stupid and I called him out on it.

You have no idea if Salem is talking about some guys he went to school with, or if every person he is referencing works in the media, in radio and in Dallas and has every bit of street cred to say what they thought of SJ as a viable format (106.1 version, not the tooled over 107.5 one).

That is just the point. It doesn't really matter who he talking about. The fact that it is anecdotal and not market-wide research is precisely the reason why it is irrelevant in this discussion. And clearly from the context of his comment, the buddies he referenced are not the decision-makers at CC Dallas.

And speaking of idiotic, shilled, blanket statements, "You are clueless." Nice. Incidentally, about what, pray tell?

Salem's last suggestion of moving The Beat to 94.5 and turning 97.9 into a Gospel or Smooth Jazz station is a ridiculous notion.

The Beat is doing very well by all metrics. Gospel is a notoriously poor biller. I believe only Adult Standards has a worse power ratio. And Smooth Jazz, as much as I enjoy the format, is dying in market after market across the country. It has already died here in Dallas.

Perhaps you should look into XM. Watercolors is a pretty good channel.

Stupid!!!!
Wow...Its my opinion that an adult format would DO better on a better signal. I feel that the 2 Urban AC stations would have better numbers if they were on 104.5 and 97.9. I understand the kids have buying power, but don't you think that folks with jobs and degrees have more money than kids these days.