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Buck Owens

Just heard on Fox News Channel that Buck Owens has passed away.

A lot of people in Phoenix radio used to make fun of Buck and his operation at KNIX...that was, until the early 1980's, when the Urban Cowboy craze shot KNIX to the top of the Phoenix radio heap. Just as important, though, was KNIX's ability to stay on top long after the craze ended. They did it by always staying a step ahead of the marketplace.

Program director Larry Daniels deserves the lion's share of the credit for the station's success, but a tip of the cowboy hat should also go to Buck Owens for hiring good people and then staying out of their way.

In a business where owners are always regarded as cheap, Buck and his son Michael were not. They spent, and took very good care of their employees. Michael's philosophy was not to negotiate. The reason -- he felt he offered the best pay and the best working conditions. If someone didn't want that, they were welcome to leave.

The names that passed through KNIX in the 1980's reads like a who's who -- W. Steven Martin, Len Roberts, Don Cristi. Steve Wood, who has become one of the nation's top voice-over talents, worked overnights and evenings. John Michaels, who has established himself as a solid part of KOOL's current success, cut his broadcasting teeth at KNIX. In news, names like Frank Asberry, Stephan Kaufman, Dick Leighton and Bill Denney were drawn to KNIX because of the Buck Owens way of doing business.

Buck also understood good broadcasting, and didn't use any of his stations as a Buck Owens Museum. True story -- DJ's were not allowed to play Buck's music, because station research (another innovation KNIX had before a lot of others) determined that the station's listeners didn't care for his music.

A lot of the things you hear today in music radio -- weekend remotes, compuerized playlists, nightclub appearances by DJ's, were done first in Phoenix by KNIX. For ten years, no station in Phoenix dared try to match what KNIX was doing. Only when KMLE came on the air in 1989 did KNIX finally face a serious threat. Today, with Clear Channel's corporate operation in place, KNIX remains strong, but it will never dominate like it did 20 years ago, and will unlikely ever return to the cutting edge broadcasting it did when Buck Owens quietly put together a Phoenix radio powerhouse.

Eventually, most of his critics who thought KNIX meant spittin tobacco, bales of hay and pickup trucks, stopped laughing at Buck Owens. Buck got the last laugh. Rest in Peace, Buck Owens.
 
So influential on the world wide music scene, even The Beatles covered his songs.

But, have to take issue with a few of your statements below:


" A lot of the things you hear today in music radio -- weekend remotes, compuerized playlists, nightclub appearances by DJ's, were done first in Phoenix by KNIX. For ten years, no station in Phoenix dared try to match what KNIX was doing. Only when KMLE came on the air in 1989 did KNIX finally face a serious threat. "

Beg to differ, those elements have been a staple of music radio since the late 1960's and certainly the entire 1970's.

Drake in the 60's, Tanner in the 70's and lets not forget the station that took over the 12+/demos crown from 1986 thru 1989, KZZP.

KMLE was never a factor until the mid 90's and certainly never on the scale of 12+ / 13 share KZZP.
 
> So influential on the world wide music scene, even The
> Beatles covered his songs.
>
> But, have to take issue with a few of your statements below:
>
>
>
> " A lot of the things you hear today in music radio --
> weekend remotes, compuerized playlists, nightclub
> appearances by DJ's, were done first in Phoenix by KNIX. For
> ten years, no station in Phoenix dared try to match what
> KNIX was doing. Only when KMLE came on the air in 1989 did
> KNIX finally face a serious threat. "
>
> Beg to differ, those elements have been a staple of music
> radio since the late 1960's and certainly the entire 1970's.

True. I guess the better phrase would have been reintroduced, since no one in the market was doing those things when KNIX brought them back into use.

As far as KMLE, I only mention 1989 because that's when they came on the air. Lots of stations through the 1980's tried to compete -- K-960, KJJJ and whatever monicker 1060 AM used when they were country, and all were massive failures. KMLE was the first to really challenge the KNIX dynasty.

By the way, I hope KNIX will offer some kind of tribute to Buck today. I realize his death was sudden, but some kind of salute would be nice. No Buck Owens, no KNIX. That's all the reasoning you need.
>
>
> Drake in the 60's, Tanner in the 70's and lets not forget
> the station that took over the 12+/demos crown from 1986
> thru 1989, KZZP.
>
> KMLE was never a factor until the mid 90's and certainly
> never on the scale of 12+ / 13 share KZZP.
>
 
> > So influential on the world wide music scene, even The
> > Beatles covered his songs.
> >
> > But, have to take issue with a few of your statements
> below:
> >
> >
> >
> > " A lot of the things you hear today in music radio --
> > weekend remotes, compuerized playlists, nightclub
> > appearances by DJ's, were done first in Phoenix by KNIX.
> For
> > ten years, no station in Phoenix dared try to match what
> > KNIX was doing. Only when KMLE came on the air in 1989 did
>
> > KNIX finally face a serious threat. "
> >
> > Beg to differ, those elements have been a staple of music
> > radio since the late 1960's and certainly the entire
> 1970's.
>
> True. I guess the better phrase would have been
> reintroduced, since no one in the market was doing those
> things when KNIX brought them back into use.

Having worked in the building for 8-1/2 years in the 90s, suffice it to say that the KNIX crew brought research, especially music research, to the level of a science. But where so many companies go haywire is how they interpret the results. In that I doubt that KNIX had *any* peer. Larry Daniels, Jess Hanson, Buddy, Michael and many others were amazing...and professionals who cared about the product and their people.

I perhaps could have made more money someplace else, but I had the most fun and reward in a thirty-year broadcasting career working for the Buck Owens organization.

There will never be another group like it.

And as a businessman and an artist, there will never be another Buck Owens.

May God bless...
 
No Buck Owens, no KNIX. That's all the reasoning you need.
>
You said it! Salute! Good Rest to you Buck! The light of heavens country is much much brighter tonight, and will be embracing a tiger by the tail!
 
Info on Buck Owens involvement with KNIX?

I am curious about the KNIX history. Did Buck start KNIX himself or did he buy an existing radio station? And when did he sell KNIX? And why did he sell it? He kept his Bakersfield stations?
 
Re: Info on Buck Owens involvement with KNIX?

> I am curious about the KNIX history. Did Buck start KNIX
> himself or did he buy an existing radio station? And when
> did he sell KNIX? And why did he sell it? He kept his
> Bakersfield stations?
>
As I recall, It was Dick Gilbert who started KNIX (the studios are located on Gilbert Drive, just north of the 202). Buck owned KTUF (1580 AM), and bought the FM from Gilbert. Like a lot of FM purchases in the 1960's, the purchase price was relatively cheap, with the potential for FM untapped.

The Owens family sold KNIX in the 1990's when they began to lose their dominant position in the country music industry. The station lost its influence to gain promotional rights to concerts, as well as exclusive access to new country music releases to corporate owned stations.

Buck did keep ownership in his Bakersfield stations, including a TV station. At one time, he also owned an FM in Albuquerque, but I don't know when it was sold.

Ironically, for many years, the FM in Bakersfield was not country. It was album rock, and it too, was a leader in its format.
 
Re: Info on Buck Owens involvement with KNIX?

> As I recall, It was Dick Gilbert who started KNIX (the
> studios are located on Gilbert Drive, just north of the
> 202). Buck owned KTUF (1580 AM), and bought the FM from
> Gilbert. Like a lot of FM purchases in the 1960's, the
> purchase price was relatively cheap, with the potential for
> FM untapped.

Dick Gilbert did indeed start the AM as the daytimer KYND, later to be KTUF after Buck bought it.

We lost a great Radio-Info thread which was apparently purged from the board a while back, but it documented the history of the 3000W KNIX-FM in central Phoenix and its original owners, the Karchners (sp?). Gilbert never owned the FM. Buck did indeed buy it for relatively little in the early 1960's, and ran it as an early progressive rock experiment in the late '60's...preceeding KCAC and KDKB by several years. He took it country after some controversy over the staff and a station-sponsored rock concert (the notorious "Fraternity of Man" concert).

I worked for the AM/FM combo in the early 70's just after they started simulcasting from the FM studio. As another post noted, there was not a single Buck Owens tune in the place, and that surprised me. Larry Daniels was a very good programmer and researcher, then and now.

Rest easy, Buck.
 
KTUF

For a long time in the laet 60s, early 70s, the station was an AM-FM simulcast called KTUF "K-TOUGH" and the FM call letters (KNIX) were only in the twice-hourly IDs.

The familiar KTUF red-white-and-blue guitar logo (identical to the KUZZ stickers in Bakersfield) were on the back of every decrepit s**t-kicker's pickup truck in the valley in the '60s.

The AM transmitter used to be off Weber Drive, behind the infamous Hayden East shopping center, and for some reason its RF would splatter into all kinds of hobby equipment in Scottsdale. The Scottsdale High School p.a. system would "channel" KTUF whenever the principal keyed his mike.

I believe the AM call letters werer KYND in 1966 or so, when Owens bought it. The format was brokered and mixed. Polkas on weekends.<P ID="edit"><FONT class="small">Edited by zumahans1 on 03/26/06 06:00 PM.</FONT></P>
 
Re: Info on Buck Owens involvement with KNIX?

> As I recall, It was Dick Gilbert who started KNIX (the
> studios are located on Gilbert Drive, just north of the
> 202)...

Not anymore. KNIX now makes its home at the brand-new Clear Channel media complex at 44th Street and Van Buren.

Don't forget, the Owenses did co-own KEZ and the failed "young country" experiment, KWCY "Wild Country 103.5" with the Lewises of Channel 3 for a couple years.

> Buck did keep ownership in his Bakersfield stations,
> including a TV station. At one time, he also owned an FM in
> Albuquerque, but I don't know when it was sold.

The Bakersfield TV was sold to Univision a couple years before KNIX was sold, which oddly enough, stayed English-language with UPN programming. Was there an agreement between Buck and Univision that didn't allow them to place Spanish-language TV on the station?
 
Re: Info on Buck Owens involvement with KNIX?

> > As I recall, It was Dick Gilbert who started KNIX (the
> > studios are located on Gilbert Drive, just north of the
> > 202)...
>
> Not anymore. KNIX now makes its home at the brand-new Clear
> Channel media complex at 44th Street and Van Buren.
>

No, only administration has moved to 44th St. & VB.
KNIX is still broadcasting from Gilbert Rd.
 
Re: Info on Buck Owens involvement with KNIX?

> > As I recall, It was Dick Gilbert who started KNIX (the
> > studios are located on Gilbert Drive, just north of the
> > 202). Buck owned KTUF (1580 AM), and bought the FM from
> > Gilbert. Like a lot of FM purchases in the 1960's, the
> > purchase price was relatively cheap, with the potential
> for
> > FM untapped.
>
> Dick Gilbert did indeed start the AM as the daytimer KYND,
> later to be KTUF after Buck bought it.
>
> We lost a great Radio-Info thread which was apparently
> purged from the board a while back, but it documented the
> history of the 3000W KNIX-FM in central Phoenix and its
> original owners, the Karchners (sp?). Gilbert never owned
> the FM. Buck did indeed buy it for relatively little in the
> early 1960's, and ran it as an early progressive rock
> experiment in the late '60's...preceeding KCAC and KDKB by
> several years. He took it country after some controversy
> over the staff and a station-sponsored rock concert (the
> notorious "Fraternity of Man" concert).
>
> I worked for the AM/FM combo in the early 70's just after
> they started simulcasting from the FM studio. As another
> post noted, there was not a single Buck Owens tune in the
> place, and that surprised me. Larry Daniels was a very good
> programmer and researcher, then and now.
>
> Rest easy, Buck.
>
I had it backwards. Could have sworn it was the other way around.

KNIX did have Buck music in the library. They just didn't play it much, and that was due to Larry's research.

Anybody else got any famous names who worked for KNIX during the Owens regime?
 
> > > So influential on the world wide music scene, even The
> > > Beatles covered his songs.
> > >
> > > But, have to take issue with a few of your statements
> > below:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > " A lot of the things you hear today in music radio --
> > > weekend remotes, compuerized playlists, nightclub
> > > appearances by DJ's, were done first in Phoenix by KNIX.
>
> > For
> > > ten years, no station in Phoenix dared try to match what
>
> > > KNIX was doing. Only when KMLE came on the air in 1989
> did
> >
> > > KNIX finally face a serious threat. "
> > >


> > > Beg to differ, those elements have been a staple of
> music
> > > radio since the late 1960's and certainly the entire
> > 1970's.
> >
> > True. I guess the better phrase would have been
> > reintroduced, since no one in the market was doing those
> > things when KNIX brought them back into use.
>
> Having worked in the building for 8-1/2 years in the 90s,
> suffice it to say that the KNIX crew brought research,
> especially music research, to the level of a science. But
> where so many companies go haywire is how they interpret the
> results. In that I doubt that KNIX had *any* peer. Larry
> Daniels, Jess Hanson, Buddy, Michael and many others were
> amazing...and professionals who cared about the product and
> their people.
>
> I perhaps could have made more money someplace else, but I
> had the most fun and reward in a thirty-year broadcasting
> career working for the Buck Owens organization.
>
> There will never be another group like it.
>
> And as a businessman and an artist, there will never be
> another Buck Owens.
>
> May God bless...
>

I was fortunate to be on the airstaff at KNIX from 1979 to 1987. KNIX was always the one station I wanted to work at. Larry Daniels called me up from
Tucson in mid-1977 for an interview but took almost 2 years before the call came that he had an opening and was I interested !!!??? Ah, YES....I jumped at
the chance to be part of something special. Buck always made sure he spent money to make money, we were one of the first stations in the valley to have
CD players in the studio. We had state-of-the-art studios. A research department when most stations had never heard of such a thing. Larry Daniels
spearheaded that task and took it to several levels.

The airstaff worked hard and played hard. In 1980, George Strait did our first local TV commercial, I'll never forget that. Later that year we hit #1 and STAYED that way for several years. I remember how the airstaff was very tight.
If you were scheduled for a remote or personal appearance many times half the airstaff would show up for support. At one time we were doing personal appearances 7 nights a week at local country nightclubs.

I will never forget the FUN we had and working with such great air talent as "W" Steven Martin,Don Cristi, Steve Wood, Mike Brady, "Layback" Lennie Roberts, Stephan Kaufman, Jeff Munn, Frank Asberry, Dick Leighton, Doug Baker and many others. Those were magical years and one of the highlights of my 30 year-plus radio career too.

Buck would visit from Bakersfield about once a year and was always encouraging and great to work with as were Larry Daniels, Mike & Buddy Owens, Bob Poldosky and a crack sales and promotion staff. Geez, we even had profit sharing and retirement plans in place (for awhile)in the 80's??? Unheard of in radio !
We were number one in most dayparts, sometimes in double-digits. Obviously those days are long over.

Buck took care of his people and they repaid him in loyalty, Larry Daniels for example was General Program Director from 1971 until just after Clear Channel took over.

KNIX was a goldmine for Buck Owens. He owned it for over 30 years. Not a bad investment for a reported sale price of $75,000 in 1968. KTUF-AM, a daytimer at 1580 that once broadcast from a converted Sizzler Steak House in Tempe was purchased in 1967 by Buck for something like $360,000.

Buck was a rebel, an innovator in country music and country radio and there really will NOT be anyone like him ever again. I was just happy to be along for the incredibly FUN roller coaster ride.

Jim West
 
Re: Info on Buck Owens involvement with KNIX?

> KNIX did have Buck music in the library. They just didn't
> play it much, and that was due to Larry's research.

Indeed, we should never say 'never'. I just took a look at Buck's catalog from that time...early 70's...and he had a lot of releases. KNIX was playing current hits like "Big in Vegas" and "Streets of Bakersfield". I doubt if his back catalog was being played much at all. Owens' record releases slowed considerably beyond '74 after Don Rich, a major contributor to Owen's sound, died in a motorcycle accident. Fans may also want to check Buck's impressive career out at www.allmusic.com.

In those early years, Larry Daniels was playing more rock and pop crossover than you might expect, including John Fogerty, Jimmy Buffett, Anne Murray, John Denver and Elvis. A bright and young sound.

> Anybody else got any famous names who worked for KNIX during
> the Owens regime?

Tommy Wright, W. Steven Martin during his first run at KNIX, Len Roberts, Bobby "Sofine" Butler, along with some very low-profile guys.
 
Re: Info on Buck Owens involvement with KNIX?

> > Anybody else got any famous names who worked
> > for KNIX during the Owens regime?
>
> Tommy Wright...

As in ex-KTKT Tucson, and before that,
KFIF Tucson (both Top 40)?
 
Re: Info on Buck Owens involvement with KNIX?

> No, only administration has moved to 44th St. & VB.
> KNIX is still broadcasting from Gilbert Rd.

My mistake. I was under the impression that all of CC's Phoenix stations have consolidated operations in one building.
 
Re: Info on Buck Owens involvement with KNIX?

> > > Anybody else got any famous names who worked
> > > for KNIX during the Owens regime?
> >
> > Tommy Wright...
>
> As in ex-KTKT Tucson, and before that,
> KFIF Tucson (both Top 40)?

Good jock, I remember thinking at the time. Tommy did mornings just before W. Steven Martin was hired. My increasingly foggy memory tells me that W. was actually at KNIX twice, and may have had been at KBBC somewhere in between. I do recall the transition between the two because I did a few AM drive fills after Tommy left. Anyone got more on W's travels?
 
Without a doubt, the KNIX culture and staff set a precedent for how radio stations would perform in the future. So many standard practices used by station all over the country were started by Mike, Bob and Larry... I will never forget my 2 years there which led to a long and rewarding career in radio
 
I'm not sure how this fourteen year old thread happened to get revived but I always was fascinated by the fact that you could listen to KNIX for hours and never hear a Buck Owens record. I'm sure that Buck knew about that and approved it. KNIX was all about business and the youth market was very important to being top rated.
 
KTUF-AM, a daytimer at 1580 that once broadcast from a converted Sizzler Steak House in Tempe was purchased in 1967 by Buck for something like $360,000.
Talk about pouring good money down a hole with 15~Eighty. Buck paid big bucks to build it up to 50kw D&N. Today more bucks are being spent to move it to a third site and lowering the pow-pow-power. The latest home for 15~Eighty will be sharing space on KSUN's stick and going 24kw D and 290w N. Also making it Three's Company at the KSUN site is KPHX with a drop wire. One site, three frequencies: 14~Hundred, 14~Eighty and 15~Eighty.
 
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