BULLETIN....BLUE WATER TO LMA MAGIC STATIONS IN DOTHAN

[PEANUTCAPITOL]

KMX was floundering long before Styles bought it.

TVY was a 3 share when we took it over, a 16 when we left, and is a 4 today.

We developed "My" as we left and that had two good books until it was messed with.

You guys just make me LMFAO.

Bluewater is attempting to help here and making a good move.

Hmmm...I just had to make some corrections....as usual. Let's take them 1 by 1, shall we?

A 21.3 F18-34 is your idea of kmx floundering? I think (I don't have time on the blackberry) we've actually got u admitting in some previous threads that kmx wasn't as bad as you like to proclaim. IM me and once again my offer stands to email you a pdf copy of the book (2005).

The floundering came after aa took over playing prince, madonna, and kelly clarkson every 8 minutes.

TVY got the high numbers because of....well, see above. Reminds me of my favorite picture...

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b347/MaryF13/lolcat/edumacation.jpg


I believe MY was put in place after aa and styles were pushed out by the magician.

Now, Bluewater, yes, is probably trying to help.

The problem is that they are repeating many of the mistakes of others brought in from out of market that don't understand that Dothan is unlike almost any other market.

Anyone who works/has worked and succeeded in Dothan knows it's very odd.

The Styles/Magic group could have been a much bigger success. But there was too much in-fighting....between management. Owners/investors each trying to control the company and take it in different direction. A husband and wife team doing....things that weren't quite right. And a magician getting other employees to let him know things going on. Then, pushing them out of the way once he got the info he needed to do what he did. (vague on purpose)

The cluster had a team in place a few years ago that had a plan that, knowing the market, would work.

Instead, out of market people were brought in to fix things that were broken on purpose!

AA brought in with 1 purpose...to help tvy ratings no matter which sister stations got hurt (and no matter how much the other stations brought in revenue wise)

There was Keith (who bailed when he had the chance...just as we told the magician he would)

Then all the CC guys don brought in

And now bluewater.

Heck, it almost sounds like aa is vying for another go round. That my friend, is lmfao.

Successful companies? Yes. PD of a 5 station cluster.

Thanks for playing!

Husband and wife team do just fine. They've run over a dozen very successful stations and now operate or partner in extremely successful non-radio businesses.

WTVY was absolutely the main focus and it was done correctly and it WON.

AP deserves a lot of that credit ... it was a good team, and a winning team.

My was a Styles idea and launched prior to my departure. The former WKMX people were a good choice.

My question is, other than JH, how many of the old WKMX people are still working in radio?

I actually think a lot of the old WKMX staffers are good radio people... it's the way they make up things that aren't true.

I have to agree and disagree somewhat. Yes The Team at TVY and Amie did have some good numbers and we all know what made them "The Legends Luxury" Thing it was good for the listeners and good for the Advertisers . But Trading Dollar For Dollar as Amie did on a Lawn Mower Etc.Etc. does not bring revenue into the station. And most importantly it shows clients that Radio has no true dollar value,Everything hinges on the almighty dollar. She doesn't relize that she just wanted numbers but soon after they started falling.

Yes the old crew at KMX did know what they were doing why mess with local people that were making money for the station ? It is sad that the Wiregrass was once full of local influence but now It's down to one WOOF... now there's a group that knows how to do local Radio all have lived in the Wiregrass for years.

Majic has 6 personalities on 5 stations. The Radio People has 10 on 4 stations, WOOF has 9 on 2. You be the judge

 

[radioresearcher]

KMX was floundering long before Styles bought it.

TVY was a 3 share when we took it over, a 16 when we left, and is a 4 today.

We developed "My" as we left and that had two good books until it was messed with.

You guys just make me LMFAO.

Bluewater is attempting to help here and making a good move.

Hmmm...I just had to make some corrections....as usual. Let's take them 1 by 1, shall we?

A 21.3 F18-34 is your idea of kmx floundering? I think (I don't have time on the blackberry) we've actually got u admitting in some previous threads that kmx wasn't as bad as you like to proclaim. IM me and once again my offer stands to email you a pdf copy of the book (2005).

The floundering came after aa took over playing prince, madonna, and kelly clarkson every 8 minutes.

TVY got the high numbers because of....well, see above. Reminds me of my favorite picture...

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b347/MaryF13/lolcat/edumacation.jpg


I believe MY was put in place after aa and styles were pushed out by the magician.

Now, Bluewater, yes, is probably trying to help.

The problem is that they are repeating many of the mistakes of others brought in from out of market that don't understand that Dothan is unlike almost any other market.

Anyone who works/has worked and succeeded in Dothan knows it's very odd.

The Styles/Magic group could have been a much bigger success. But there was too much in-fighting....between management. Owners/investors each trying to control the company and take it in different direction. A husband and wife team doing....things that weren't quite right. And a magician getting other employees to let him know things going on. Then, pushing them out of the way once he got the info he needed to do what he did. (vague on purpose)

The cluster had a team in place a few years ago that had a plan that, knowing the market, would work.

Instead, out of market people were brought in to fix things that were broken on purpose!

AA brought in with 1 purpose...to help tvy ratings no matter which sister stations got hurt (and no matter how much the other stations brought in revenue wise)

There was Keith (who bailed when he had the chance...just as we told the magician he would)

Then all the CC guys don brought in

And now bluewater.

Heck, it almost sounds like aa is vying for another go round. That my friend, is lmfao.

Successful companies? Yes. PD of a 5 station cluster.

Thanks for playing!

Husband and wife team do just fine. They've run over a dozen very successful stations and now operate or partner in extremely successful non-radio businesses.

WTVY was absolutely the main focus and it was done correctly and it WON.

AP deserves a lot of that credit ... it was a good team, and a winning team.

My was a Styles idea and launched prior to my departure. The former WKMX people were a good choice.

My question is, other than JH, how many of the old WKMX people are still working in radio?

I actually think a lot of the old WKMX staffers are good radio people... it's the way they make up things that aren't true.

I have to agree and disagree somewhat. Yes The Team at TVY and Amie did have some good numbers and we all know what made them "The Legends Luxury" Thing it was good for the listeners and good for the Advertisers . But Trading Dollar For Dollar as Amie did on a Lawn Mower Etc.Etc. does not bring revenue into the station. And most importantly it shows clients that Radio has no true dollar value,Everything hinges on the almighty dollar. She doesn't relize that she just wanted numbers but soon after they started falling.

Yes the old crew at KMX did know what they were doing why mess with local people that were making money for the station ? It is sad that the Wiregrass was once full of local influence but now It's down to one WOOF... now there's a group that knows how to do local Radio all have lived in the Wiregrass for years.

Majic has 6 personalities on 5 stations. The Radio People has 10 on 4 stations, WOOF has 9 on 2. You be the judge

Unfortunately, the cost of doing business prohibits a lot of groups from being local all day anymore. Seeing 6 personalities on 5 stations is the norm in a lot of medium and small market clusters. Bluewater deserves an opportunity to see what they can do.

WOOF has no debt service and the station is extremely profitable - so they can afford to have a full staff.

I wish everyone could be live and local all day. That was the radio I grew up on - I just don't know that it's feasible anymore with the huge debt service.

 

[PEANUTCAPITOL]

KMX was floundering long before Styles bought it.

TVY was a 3 share when we took it over, a 16 when we left, and is a 4 today.

We developed "My" as we left and that had two good books until it was messed with.

You guys just make me LMFAO.

Bluewater is attempting to help here and making a good move.

Hmmm...I just had to make some corrections....as usual. Let's take them 1 by 1, shall we?

A 21.3 F18-34 is your idea of kmx floundering? I think (I don't have time on the blackberry) we've actually got u admitting in some previous threads that kmx wasn't as bad as you like to proclaim. IM me and once again my offer stands to email you a pdf copy of the book (2005).

The floundering came after aa took over playing prince, madonna, and kelly clarkson every 8 minutes.

TVY got the high numbers because of....well, see above. Reminds me of my favorite picture...

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b347/MaryF13/lolcat/edumacation.jpg


I believe MY was put in place after aa and styles were pushed out by the magician.

Now, Bluewater, yes, is probably trying to help.

The problem is that they are repeating many of the mistakes of others brought in from out of market that don't understand that Dothan is unlike almost any other market.

Anyone who works/has worked and succeeded in Dothan knows it's very odd.

The Styles/Magic group could have been a much bigger success. But there was too much in-fighting....between management. Owners/investors each trying to control the company and take it in different direction. A husband and wife team doing....things that weren't quite right. And a magician getting other employees to let him know things going on. Then, pushing them out of the way once he got the info he needed to do what he did. (vague on purpose)

The cluster had a team in place a few years ago that had a plan that, knowing the market, would work.

Instead, out of market people were brought in to fix things that were broken on purpose!

AA brought in with 1 purpose...to help tvy ratings no matter which sister stations got hurt (and no matter how much the other stations brought in revenue wise)

There was Keith (who bailed when he had the chance...just as we told the magician he would)

Then all the CC guys don brought in

And now bluewater.

Heck, it almost sounds like aa is vying for another go round. That my friend, is lmfao.

Successful companies? Yes. PD of a 5 station cluster.

Thanks for playing!

Husband and wife team do just fine. They've run over a dozen very successful stations and now operate or partner in extremely successful non-radio businesses.

WTVY was absolutely the main focus and it was done correctly and it WON.

AP deserves a lot of that credit ... it was a good team, and a winning team.

My was a Styles idea and launched prior to my departure. The former WKMX people were a good choice.

My question is, other than JH, how many of the old WKMX people are still working in radio?

I actually think a lot of the old WKMX staffers are good radio people... it's the way they make up things that aren't true.

I have to agree and disagree somewhat. Yes The Team at TVY and Amie did have some good numbers and we all know what made them "The Legends Luxury" Thing it was good for the listeners and good for the Advertisers . But Trading Dollar For Dollar as Amie did on a Lawn Mower Etc.Etc. does not bring revenue into the station. And most importantly it shows clients that Radio has no true dollar value,Everything hinges on the almighty dollar. She doesn't relize that she just wanted numbers but soon after they started falling.

Yes the old crew at KMX did know what they were doing why mess with local people that were making money for the station ? It is sad that the Wiregrass was once full of local influence but now It's down to one WOOF... now there's a group that knows how to do local Radio all have lived in the Wiregrass for years.

Majic has 6 personalities on 5 stations. The Radio People has 10 on 4 stations, WOOF has 9 on 2. You be the judge

Unfortunately, the cost of doing business prohibits a lot of groups from being local all day anymore. Seeing 6 personalities on 5 stations is the norm in a lot of medium and small market clusters. Bluewater deserves an opportunity to see what they can do.

WOOF has no debt service and the station is extremely profitable - so they can afford to have a full staff.

I wish everyone could be live and local all day. That was the radio I grew up on - I just don't know that it's feasible anymore with the huge debt service.

I too wish everyone could be live and local . The Radio People has a good staff too, take away the news talk station which really doesn't need to be fully staffed and they are almost adaquit for the 3 others.
It is feasible It's simple trade nothing, charge a good rate for your spots, believe in your product ,be consistant, pay your employees well and Pay cash for everything.

 

[pnut rox]

I really don't where to begin....

Researcher-

Thank you! We no longer have to prove how immature and inexperience you are anymore , you did that yourself. Anyone who CAN read a book and knows anything about the climate of the former KMX and Styles fiasco can prove nothing posted here is changing history, the only distortion comes from your hands, mind, imagination.

I do not believe in personal attacks, just opinions, and like a$$holes, everyone has one. Several people where just sharing their opinions regarding Styles and AA's mismanagement style. There is no need to attack anyone like you did....if I may quote you....
"Hows the cable business? Or did you get fired from that to?"
You are referencing probably,the best, if not the greatest seller in our market. Now I pose a question you, Mr. I held an intern position and my relative owns the stations consultant. I doubt Stewy got let go for his ability to bring in revenue, more likely because he knew what he was doing and burst someones bubble? Do you wan to correct me if I am wrong?

Sflaboy-

First if you are going to quote me please do it correctly! I never said adult men, non-ethic 25-54 was unsellable. I pointed out it wasn't the convented demo and wished you the best of luck in peanutland. Second, I do not feel the need to post my resume in a public forum. Anyone who knows me on these boards knows my wealth of knowledge comes from years of selling, marketing and promotions from inside the radio industry and outside. I wish nothing but luck and success to Bluewater and this cluster. I am firm believer that this cluster under the right direction has what it takes to have at it takes to have 5 stations in the top 5 in the market in ratings and revenue. It will be a long and uneasy battle,but it can be done.

 

[radioresearcher]

I really don't where to begin....

Researcher-

Thank you! We no longer have to prove how immature and inexperience you are anymore , you did that yourself. Anyone who CAN read a book and knows anything about the climate of the former KMX and Styles fiasco can prove nothing posted here is changing history, the only distortion comes from your hands, mind, imagination.

I do not believe in personal attacks, just opinions, and like a$$holes, everyone has one. Several people where just sharing their opinions regarding Styles and AA's mismanagement style. There is no need to attack anyone like you did....if I may quote you....
"Hows the cable business? Or did you get fired from that to?"
You are referencing probably,the best, if not the greatest seller in our market. Now I pose a question you, Mr. I held an intern position and my relative owns the stations consultant. I doubt Stewy got let go for his ability to bring in revenue, more likely because he knew what he was doing and burst someones bubble? Do you wan to correct me if I am wrong?

Sflaboy-

First if you are going to quote me please do it correctly! I never said adult men, non-ethic 25-54 was unsellable. I pointed out it wasn't the convented demo and wished you the best of luck in peanutland. Second, I do not feel the need to post my resume in a public forum. Anyone who knows me on these boards knows my wealth of knowledge comes from years of selling, marketing and promotions from inside the radio industry and outside. I wish nothing but luck and success to Bluewater and this cluster. I am firm believer that this cluster under the right direction has what it takes to have at it takes to have 5 stations in the top 5 in the market in ratings and revenue. It will be a long and uneasy battle,but it can be done.

Pnut - I don't attack people personally until they start it themselves.


I'll put our track record of turning around over 30 radio stations in 10 years, including WTVY versus a a lot of people. I've been fortunate enough to work with some of the best independent broadcasters in the business.

He told me to go back into the basement. That was a personal attack. But, I should not have responded to it and for that I regret. I shouldn't sink down to his level and won't anymore. He is unproffesional at its height. He has done nothing but make personal attacks since the day I met him.

In my career of dealing with dozens of owners, GM's, and other people, there has been a more UNPROFFESIONAL atmosphere than that particular one.

Stewy started with the personal attacks ... so we'll leave it at that.

Regardless, I think there were a plethora of talented people within those walls and I'm done commenting on this matter.

Numbers speak for themselves...

 

[whodouthinkur]

Wow...I don't know whether to call you radioresearcher, or Baghdad Bob, with all of your mis-information.

While it doesn't have to do with what's going on in the market right now...One last time, let's look at facts and the real arb book...Or at least at real station demos...not your "persons" or male demos. Remember, old KMX was a female targeted station. Get out your books and follow along:

You claim, researcher, that "WKMX: final book under Doc's team: mid 5 25-54"

Well, Let's take a peek...Without giving out exact numbers...

Fall 2004 was the last book under Doc. And checking out PD advantage shows KMX W18-34 Mon-Sun 6a-mid had a 9 something. Under your "direction" down to an 8 something.

M-Sun 6a-mid W 25-54 Doc and kmx under you both had a 7 something...But After Don took you out of the picture, and let KMX do their thing again (final book before format flip), up to almost a 9. Breaking it down further, Two dayparts under Doc had a 14+! Not exactly tanking like you continue to preach.

My favorite is W18-24Mon-Sun 6a-mid, Doc had a 14 and you, researcher, got a 0.0!

Breaking it down into dayparts, Fall 2004, Page 50 of the printed book, I'm seeing KMX W 18-34 with over a 23 share in 2 different dayparts. And 25-54 women with 3 dayparts over a 14! (page 54)

I'm not sure which book you're looking at, but it's not the Dothan arb book. Harry potter maybe?

Now, for SFLA boy, I've never mentioned anything bad about Bluewater. I don't know much about you except bama's former PD Lance & I were friends. I actually wish you luck...

What I do know about Styles and Magic (1 in the same) can be summed up as follows...Compare and contrast them to pavlov's dog. One is a dumb animal that gives the same conditioned responses over and over again. The other is a black lab.

 

[windsofkain]

Drove through the market recently. These people have alot of work to do.  WTVY is in the shitter, although I heard they had over 1K people at the recent Rick and Bubba event in Dothan which is surprising.  The Edge was a bad idea to begin with.  Why would you put a station on the air that cannibalizes one of your own stations?  97.7 can be heard in most of the Dothan market, but Tragic felt like it was a good idea to flip My 103.9 to The Edge?  It seems to me that a reworking of the format on My 103.9 would have been the better move.  Magic 93.1 is a mess.  I would just call that format a loss and try to find something that is not being done in the market yet.  Good luck with that.  KMX is a terrible radio station.  The music is way off and the personalities on the radio station lack talent or personality.  Somebody should see what they can get for the facility and dump it.  The only good thing going is their recent move with 100.5.

 

[Stewy]

And those that are generating $$$$$ just read and smile. Good luck to you sflaboy, really. Concentrate on the $$$ and the minutia of tenths of shares won't mean a hoot. 5th, 1st, or 4th, if you out bill the competition then you have won.

Attack away RR, you bring more reads on this thread than your programming brings listeners.

 

[radioresearcher]

Wow...I don't know whether to call you radioresearcher, or Baghdad Bob, with all of your mis-information.

While it doesn't have to do with what's going on in the market right now...One last time, let's look at facts and the real arb book...Or at least at real station demos...not your "persons" or male demos. Remember, old KMX was a female targeted station. Get out your books and follow along:

You claim, researcher, that "WKMX: final book under Doc's team: mid 5 25-54"

Well, Let's take a peek...Without giving out exact numbers...

Fall 2004 was the last book under Doc. And checking out PD advantage shows KMX W18-34 Mon-Sun 6a-mid had a 9 something. Under your "direction" down to an 8 something.

M-Sun 6a-mid W 25-54 Doc and kmx under you both had a 7 something...But After Don took you out of the picture, and let KMX do their thing again (final book before format flip), up to almost a 9. Breaking it down further, Two dayparts under Doc had a 14+! Not exactly tanking like you continue to preach.

My favorite is W18-24Mon-Sun 6a-mid, Doc had a 14 and you, researcher, got a 0.0!

Breaking it down into dayparts, Fall 2004, Page 50 of the printed book, I'm seeing KMX W 18-34 with over a 23 share in 2 different dayparts. And 25-54 women with 3 dayparts over a 14! (page 54)

I'm not sure which book you're looking at, but it's not the Dothan arb book. Harry potter maybe?

Now, for SFLA boy, I've never mentioned anything bad about Bluewater. I don't know much about you except bama's former PD Lance & I were friends. I actually wish you luck...

What I do know about Styles and Magic (1 in the same) can be summed up as follows...Compare and contrast them to pavlov's dog. One is a dumb animal that gives the same conditioned responses over and over again. The other is a black lab.

LOL - dayparts and gender demos in market 192. You have to be kidding. The sample size is crazy small.

Agencies buy major demos ... A 25-54, A 18-49. Gender dayparts down to 18-24 is about 15 diaries.

And then go to dayparts? You have to be kidding...

Give me 18-49, 25-54 adults and then we have a conversation.

 

[radioresearcher]

And those that are generating $$$$$ just read and smile. Good luck to you sflaboy, really. Concentrate on the $$$ and the minutia of tenths of shares won't mean a hoot. 5th, 1st, or 4th, if you out bill the competition then you have won.

Attack away RR, you bring more reads on this thread than your programming brings listeners.

I won't sink to your level or respond anymore. It's not worth my time.

 

[ricky]

Can we finally put this thread to bed? Please?

 

[jobhunter]

Agreed.

 

[Tom0B1]

BTW - Dothan is now market 190!

 

[Stewy]

Can we finally put this thread to bed? Please?

Must we? I think everyone should get a really good taste of what researcher has to offer. did anyone catch in his next to last post about "agencies buy ...."? Someone needs to tell him that agencies aren't buying much of anything anywhere right now on a regional or national level. Now you can give them air time. But if you operate from the basement then you really expect much.

Oh yes, Researcher, you mentioned Doug Wynn getting fired, since you know so much why don't you post reason(s) for it? I have seen his official dismissal paperwork, something about "going a different direction", which they did ( insert winky smiley face) but if you know different then post it. I'll check tomorrow.

 

[radioresearcher]

Can we finally put this thread to bed? Please?

Yes, please. Stewy clearly can't let it go.

 

[Stewy]

Very hard to let go, yes. This (boards) is entertaining plus generating lots reads for Alabama and the Dothan, any publicity is good publicity. Just heard that moves have begun to be made in the Dthn market so I'm sure that more threads are to come today.

 

[Stewy]

1511 reads, I'm hoping this'll get the number up to 1600!

 

[Stewy]

Stewy,

Maybe you should change your name to Mr. Potter cause you sure come across as a "warped frustrated, angry old man". Give it a break...Nobody from the days you were here and got fired exists anymore. New management and new operators...and from our first impression a good staff. You sure are buzz killer son. That's the only thing that's "tragic".

Guess I am. Bump. Oh yeah, over 2K reads on this thread! Market 192, entertaining the entertainers.