Bully Bruce

[KMGX]

I'll say with absolute respect to all who have posted in this thread that you're totally off base. If you heard Bruce's show last Thursday and Friday in it's entirety--or even MOST of it, you will understand he didn't take this woman to task personally.

Admittedly I did not listen. I did, however, read AZCentral. "According to a transcript provided to reporters..." I can only assume that's legitimate. And from that transcript:

"You ought to be ashamed of yourself, Julie Erfle," [Jacobs said Wednesday, according to a transcript provided to reporters.] "I don't know how you can look at your kids and do this. . . . When the next police officer is gunned down or killed . . . is it fair to blame you? Because I am going to give you partial blame.

"Put that in your legacy for your husband."

How, pray tell, is that not "tak(ing) this woman to task personally"?

Or was he misquoted?

If that's what he said, there is no excuse for his comments. And no excuse for your supporting it.

So, let me get this straight: It is okay to take Bruce to task for expressing his opinion in the public forum, however it is not okay to take a woman to task for expressing her opinion in the public forum.

Bruce feels that it is counterintuitive for the wife of a slain police officer to advocate on the side of amnesty for illegal immigration, when it was an illegal immigrant that committed the crime against the police officer. Had their been better enforcement of the law on all levels, this crime may have been prevented. That is the basic context for Bruce's opinion.

This is not all that dissimilar to many who feel Cindy Sheehan is tarnishing the legacy of her son by her very negative actions/opinions against the war, the US government, the country in general and support of people such as Hugo Chavez.

This isn't about whether I agree or not, but I just think it's shameful that some of you are holding up a double standard. If this were a woman sitting in her home minding her own business and suddenly Bruce just came on the radio and said, "you know, this Julie Erfle is just..." well then that would be a different story. However, by putting herself in the PUBLIC SPOTLIGHT, she has become a PUBLIC figure, much in teh same way that any broadcaster is a public figure by going on the public airwaves. She was asked to speak and she chose to do so, therefore she has entered the public arena on a very controversial issue. Bruce has every right to say whatever he feels about her, the issue, etc, much in the same vein that she has every right to say what she wants about him.

I realize that there's some 'code' about protecting people, women/widows and so forth, but that 'code' goes by the wayside when that person choses to step into the public, period.

Once again, and I'll hammer this point until you people either get it or I simply tire of saying it; when you don't listen to a show and then proceed to comment on it I believe that it deflates the credibility of your commentary substantially. I know that this board is anti Jacobs for the most part, I get that I'm swimming against the current trying to argue logically with people that can't stand Jacobs (not all of you are that way, but there are quite a few).

You don't have to agree with Bruce at all, but you should at least be fair.

 

[DrAkbar]

Once again, and I'll hammer this point until you people either get it or I simply tire of saying it; when you don't listen to a show and then proceed to comment on it I believe that it deflates the credibility of your commentary substantially. I know that this board is anti Jacobs for the most part, I get that I'm swimming against the current trying to argue logically with people that can't stand Jacobs (not all of you are that way, but there are quite a few).

You don't have to agree with Bruce at all, but you should at least be fair.

Hammer away, as there was nothing "fair" about Jacob's vicious attack on the officer's widow and children. And this observation comes from two people who regularly listen to Bruce Jacobs and are often accused of being board operators for KFWhyEye. Nurse Jeff and I stand by our call for Jacobs to sincerely apologize and accept responsibility for the harm he has caused.

 

[KOHS]

KMGX,

I don't have a problem with Jacobs taking Julie Erfle to task over her involvement with immigration issues--that's fair game. I do, however, take exception to the comments highlighted in the Rag where he laid into Julie Erfle and invoked the memory of her dead husband. Tacky and way out of line, in my opinion.

You must have been listening to the Nearly Bald One this morning. Your previous comment sounds exactly like what Mr Youn had to say. And you know what, he is right.

I've had a chance to calm down and think things through. I'm still pissed off at Bruce for some of what he said and how he said it--New Yorkers can be mean-spirited at times--but he has every right to take her to task for supporting a plan he views as amnesty.

 

[Market15Schmifteen]

"So far, at least one company has suspended advertising with KFYI reports the Arizona Republic. Casino Arizona has suspended September advertising pending a review and police said McDonald's is also planning to withdraw its advertising." (08-26-08)

 

[Radiojunkie05]

i listened to bruce jacobs talk about julie erfle and her actions with phil gordon, i thought he was just telling her the truth plain and simple. i agree with kmgx she made herself a public figure and when you do that you gotta be able to take the criticism of the media.

 

[rkchgo]

I'll say with absolute respect to all who have posted in this thread that you're totally off base. If you heard Bruce's show last Thursday and Friday in it's entirety--or even MOST of it, you will understand he didn't take this woman to task personally.

Admittedly I did not listen. I did, however, read AZCentral. "According to a transcript provided to reporters..." I can only assume that's legitimate. And from that transcript:

"You ought to be ashamed of yourself, Julie Erfle," [Jacobs said Wednesday, according to a transcript provided to reporters.] "I don't know how you can look at your kids and do this. . . . When the next police officer is gunned down or killed . . . is it fair to blame you? Because I am going to give you partial blame.

"Put that in your legacy for your husband."

How, pray tell, is that not "tak(ing) this woman to task personally"?

Or was he misquoted?

If that's what he said, there is no excuse for his comments. And no excuse for your supporting it.

So, let me get this straight: It is okay to take Bruce to task for expressing his opinion in the public forum, however it is not okay to take a woman to task for expressing her opinion in the public forum.

Bruce feels that it is counterintuitive for the wife of a slain police officer to advocate on the side of amnesty for illegal immigration, when it was an illegal immigrant that committed the crime against the police officer. Had their been better enforcement of the law on all levels, this crime may have been prevented. That is the basic context for Bruce's opinion.

This is not all that dissimilar to many who feel Cindy Sheehan is tarnishing the legacy of her son by her very negative actions/opinions against the war, the US government, the country in general and support of people such as Hugo Chavez.

This isn't about whether I agree or not, but I just think it's shameful that some of you are holding up a double standard. If this were a woman sitting in her home minding her own business and suddenly Bruce just came on the radio and said, "you know, this Julie Erfle is just..." well then that would be a different story. However, by putting herself in the PUBLIC SPOTLIGHT, she has become a PUBLIC figure, much in teh same way that any broadcaster is a public figure by going on the public airwaves. She was asked to speak and she chose to do so, therefore she has entered the public arena on a very controversial issue. Bruce has every right to say whatever he feels about her, the issue, etc, much in the same vein that she has every right to say what she wants about him.

I realize that there's some 'code' about protecting people, women/widows and so forth, but that 'code' goes by the wayside when that person choses to step into the public, period.

Once again, and I'll hammer this point until you people either get it or I simply tire of saying it; when you don't listen to a show and then proceed to comment on it I believe that it deflates the credibility of your commentary substantially. I know that this board is anti Jacobs for the most part, I get that I'm swimming against the current trying to argue logically with people that can't stand Jacobs (not all of you are that way, but there are quite a few).

You don't have to agree with Bruce at all, but you should at least be fair.

When Bruce's wife is killed, and he steps into the spotlight about whatever issue it was that got her killed, and someone rips him a new one for it, I'll be happy to slam the "ripper" on that one as well.

For that matter, who in the HELL is HE to decide what opinion Julie Erfle should have on the topic?

He's wrong wrong wrong all the way around. And you are too. Shamefully.

 

[phil]

Where was Bruce this morning? I missed the first hour, and they wouldn't explain what was going on later in the show.

 

[DrAkbar]

Where was Bruce this morning? I missed the first hour, and they wouldn't explain what was going on later in the show.

Obviously at a CCU crash course in Sensitivity Training, subtitled "Don't Screw With The License". Nurse Jeff and I heard understudy Mike Broomhead say Bully Bruce will be back in the saddle Friday morning.

 

[Legend City]

Should be funny as hell tomorrow.

Bruce and his foaming friends failed to to turn in any signatures for the Recall Mayor Gordon petition.

Bruce, you were so sure, every day, every couple of minutes, you hawked this.

Maybe he needs to understand that he is entertainment, not information. ;D

 

[thenewz]

Should be funny as hell tomorrow.

Bruce and his foaming friends failed to to turn in any signatures for the Recall Mayor Gordon petition.

Bruce, you were so sure, every day, every couple of minutes, you hawked this.

Maybe he needs to understand that he is entertainment, not information. ;D

Bruce, Barry, and JD's recall drive couldn't even get enough signatures, to get on the ballot. How humiliating after they pushed it everyday.

 

[DrAkbar]

Here's a freebie for the Master Blogger to use with our permission: KT'R...where our talkers don't require a rabies vaccination every year! A little stronger than Talk Radio For Normal People we'd say.

 

[KMGX]

When Bruce's wife is killed, and he steps into the spotlight about whatever issue it was that got her killed, and someone rips him a new one for it, I'll be happy to slam the "ripper" on that one as well.

For that matter, who in the HELL is HE to decide what opinion Julie Erfle should have on the topic?

He's wrong wrong wrong all the way around. And you are too. Shamefully.

Who in the HELL are YOU to decide what opinion Bruce should have? The answer: EVERYONE is ENTITLED to have an opinion on any issue they so chose, and everyone has a forum in which to express it. Opining on issues is part of the job of a talk show host--and if he disagrees with someone else he has every right to express that.

Oddly though, you believe you're right and will excoriate him for being "wrong" as you say, yet he can't do the same thing? I swear some of you are reaching way down into the bag-o-bullcrap to throw anything at the wall now.

I think what bothers most of you is that this has already pretty much blown over and nothing happened, God that's just gotta burn the haters.

 

[DrAkbar]

I think what bothers most of you is that this has already pretty much blown over and nothing happened, God that's just gotta burn the haters.

It's blown over because Bully Bruce's sure-thing recall of Philaberto failed miserably.

 

[KMGX]

I think what bothers most of you is that this has already pretty much blown over and nothing happened, God that's just gotta burn the haters.

It's blown over because Bully Bruce's sure-thing recall of Philaberto failed miserably.

I see, so Bruce is responsible for an entire recall drive simply because he supported it?

I just think it's hysterical that Bruce has been on KFYI for 6 years now and back then he was going to fail miserably and wouldn't last six months. Now that another controversy has emerged everyone said (again) "he's done", meanwhile the ratings are still high, he's still employed and everyone seems to hate the guy. I realize the guy doesn't infuse nothing but negative sarcastic banter with a sound effect every 2 seconds ala Stephanie Miller, nor is he a polished, professional with a deep voice who does nothing but take calls for three hours, but I mean at some point the vitriol should probably be toned down just a tad.

I like Bruce if for no other reason than because he totally infuriates all of you.

 

[KOHS]

That, I think, is part of Bruce's appeal- he isn't polished. He is Sean Hannity's evil twin. ;D

Wouldn't it be fun to get the two of them into a room together and have them discuss politics?

 

[pattiwacki]

I think what bothers most of you is that this has already pretty much blown over and nothing happened, God that's just gotta burn the haters.

It's blown over because Bully Bruce's sure-thing recall of Philaberto failed miserably.

I see, so Bruce is responsible for an entire recall drive simply because he supported it?

I just think it's hysterical that Bruce has been on KFYI for 6 years now and back then he was going to fail miserably and wouldn't last six months. Now that another controversy has emerged everyone said (again) "he's done", meanwhile the ratings are still high, he's still employed and everyone seems to hate the guy. I realize the guy doesn't infuse nothing but negative sarcastic banter with a sound effect every 2 seconds ala Stephanie Miller, nor is he a polished, professional with a deep voice who does nothing but take calls for three hours, but I mean at some point the vitriol should probably be toned down just a tad.

I like Bruce if for no other reason than because he totally infuriates all of you.

;D

 

[jayzerjayzer]

Dr. Akbar (et al)

Mrs. Erfle suffered a terrible loss. Her husband, a Phoenix police officer was shot and killed. The depth of our sympathy can not be fully worded. A criminal shot and killed an officer of our community. That officer's wife should be lauded for her courage and her strength. The spouses of police officers live with the fear of a phone call 24 hours a day. Each time their spouse returns from duty they breath a sigh of relief. He or she is safe until the next shift. For officer Erfle there is no next shift. For his family there is only emptiness.

For anyone in our community to use that woman as a punching bag is........I can't even find the word that fits.

Jay

 

[DrAkbar]

For anyone in our community to use that woman as a punching bag is........I can't even find the word that fits.

That's what a bully does and Bully Bruce will have to live with the consequences of his actions! Normally the Nurse and I are in his corner, but not this time.

 

[KMGX]

My God.

So, she is allowed to express whatever opinion she likes and is completely free of reprisal for it, despite the fact that she entered the public arena on a public issue?

If you're brave enough to take a stand, then you need to be brave enough to take a punch--this is true in all aspects of life, an internet message board, a radio show, in front of a congressional delegation, etc. If you take a stance then be prepared to defend it.