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Cable channel lineup oddities

Woodstock-Shenandoah County, Virginia ( Shentel )

2. Channel Guide
3. WHSV Harrisonburg ( ABC )
4. WRC Washington ( NBC)
5. WTTG Washington ( FOX )
6. WDCA Washington ( MY 20 )
7. INSP ( ?? )
8 Simply Local
9. WUSA Washington ( CBS )
10. The Weather Channel
11. WDCW Washington ( CW )
12. WVPT Front Royal ( PBS )
13. WPXW Washington ( ION )


Martinsburg, West Virginia ( Comcast )

2. Home Shopping Network
3. WDCW Washington ( CW )
4. WRC Washington ( NBC )
5. WTTG Washington ( FOX )
6. WDCA Washington ( My 20 )
7. WJLA Washington ( ABC )
8. News Channel 8 ( a service of WJLA )
9. WUSA Washington ( CBS )
10. Local Information ( from Martinsburg's WRNR radio )
11. WHAG Hagerstown
12. QVC
13. C-Span
 
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OK...that one might be one of a kind. Instead of having something semi-common like TBS or CNN at ch 12, they put in Investigation Discovery? That is very odd. Does Charter think Brainerd residents need a little bit of "Who the (Bleep) Did I Marry," "Fear Thy Neighbor" and "Fatal Vows" very low on the dial? Wonder what the crime rate is for that part of MN...
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Charter is all digital so they can put channels at whatever number they want since its all digitally controlled. Charter is doing this in alot of their markets. I see the Minneapolis burbs and St Cloud have ID at channel 12. NFL and MLB nets are at 14 & 15 ;)

Crime rate in that area is pretty minimal until the summer when the tourists come up from the cities (Mpls/St Paul) and then it goes up...not much but when crime is minimal to being with any crime is big there. (I lived up there for a while)

Brainerd did a channel shuffle a few years ago right before they went all digital. They use to have PBS on 4 and CBS on 12 and that was due to them getting KCCW Walker (12) for CBS instead of WCCO Minneapolis (KCCW is a satellite of WCCO). Now most cable companies went with the universal 4 for CBS in that area (instead of 12). When they did the shuffler they left only the locals as ITC and scrambled everything else (requiring a box)
 
unclehonkey said:
Charter is all digital so they can put channels at whatever number they want since its all digitally controlled. Charter is doing this in alot of their markets. I see the Minneapolis burbs and St Cloud have ID at channel 12. NFL and MLB nets are at 14 & 15 ;)

Crime rate in that area is pretty minimal until the summer when the tourists come up from the cities (Mpls/St Paul) and then it goes up...not much but when crime is minimal to being with any crime is big there. (I lived up there for a while)

Brainerd did a channel shuffle a few years ago right before they went all digital. They use to have PBS on 4 and CBS on 12 and that was due to them getting KCCW Walker (12) for CBS instead of WCCO Minneapolis (KCCW is a satellite of WCCO). Now most cable companies went with the universal 4 for CBS in that area (instead of 12). When they did the shuffler they left only the locals as ITC and scrambled everything else (requiring a box)
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When they went all-digital in northern Michigan, there were some channel shuffles on the low end. TBS moved from 5 to 15, HSN got a big jump from 71 to 5, the local MNT affiliate went from 72 to 11 (brands as My12, but WGN America is still on cable 12), among others. In Ludington and Big Rapids, there were more channel changes. WCMU (PBS) went from 3 to 6, WFQX (FOX) went from 5 to 3, WPBN (NBC) went from 7 to 4, and WGTU (ABC) was added on 8 (until then, the in market ABC wasn't seen in either place; WZZM remains on 13 in those places; also, WWTV (CBS) was already on 10). Those were to match the low end of the lineup with the rest of the DMA's systems (above 13, the lineup has more in common with their Grand Rapids area systems)
 
Midcontinent-Sioux Falls

3 KELO - CBS
4 CNN
5 KDLT - NBC
7 KSFY - ABC
8 KUSD - PBS
9 KTTW - FOX TV Everywhere
10 KELO My Network TV
11 QVC
12 The Weather Channel
13 C-SPAN
 
Midco-Ely, MN
2 CNN
3 KDLH - CBS
4 KQDS - FOX
5 KDLH - CW
6 KBJR - NBC
8 WDSE - PBS
9 Inspiration
10 WDIO - ABC
11 Local Channel
12 QVC
13 EWTN

What is weird is they carry the CW on channel 5 when its a sub on the CBS (KDLH-DT2) yet My Network (My9) which is also on a sub (KNJR-DT2) they put up in the 500's with the other subchannels (Metv, AntennatV, the PBS ones)
 
Midco-Outer Fargo, ND (Fargo proper is CableOne)

4 KXJB - CBS
5 TBS
6 WDAY - ABC
8 HSN
9 Discovery Channel
10 KVRR - FOX
11 KVLY - NBC
13 KFME - PBS
 
Midco-Grand Forks

2 City Channel
3 Local Channel
4 KXJB - CBS
5 HSN
7 FargoCW
8 WDAZ - ABC
10 KBRR - FOX
11 KVLY - NBC
12 CNN [
13 KCGE - PBS
 
note in the Midco examples those channels ARE part of lifeline/limited basic (unlike Charter that puts say ID at 12 yet its not part of lifeline)
 
Midco-Rugby, ND

2 Freeform
3 Univision
4 KXND - FOX
5 C-SPAN
6 KSRE - PBS
8 HSN
9 KMCY - ABC
10 KMOT - NBC
12 TBS
13 KXMC - CBS

Interesting that Univision is on 3 when according to wiki the Hispanic population is 1 percent
 
So I was looking at Zap2it trying to find local examples and came up with this gem of a lineup at one of the off-campus apartment complexes near Arizona State University. Be amazed at the fact that NOTHING is where it should be!

2 KNXV
3 KPHO
4 KASW
5 KSAZ
6 KPNX
7 KTVK
8 KUTP
9 KTAZ
10 KTVW
11 A&E
12 Freeform
13 AMC

The planning idea was simple: alphabetize everything (note how "ABC Family" makes more sense for the 12). Unfortunately, that means that channels 2-10 are an inscrutable slaw. Local 5 on 3, local 10 on 5, local 12 on 6, local "6" on 4.

There's another one that's similar in idea, but it starts at channel 6 and so for some reason A&E is on 13. And another one that has A&E, Freeform, Animal Planet and BBC America on 10-13.

And then there's this lineup that actually manages to put all the locals on logical numbers:

2 TNT
3 KTVK
4 USA
5 KPHO
6 KASW
7 KTAZ
8 KAET
9 KUTP
10 KSAZ
11 CNN
12 KPNX
13 KAZT [Cox cable carries it here even though it has branded as 7 for a long time]
[15 KNXV]
[19 KTVW] [obviously taking cues from Cox]

But then there's this disaster at another complex:

6 BET
7 HSN2
8 Bravo
9 American Heroes Channel
10 AMC
11 "Angel1" (religious)
12 CMT
13 Animal Planet

Looking for the locals? They're on 67-72. What were they thinking?

In downtown Phoenix, there's a lineup with C-SPAN on 2 and WGN America on 4 (again, indicating Cox was involved at some point - neither of those numbers are even in use now).

In another downtown Phoenix apartment complex, Bloomberg is on 10, CNBC on 11, MSNBC on 12 and CNN on 13.
 
You'll see things like that at college campuses or senior facilities
My grandma lives in an assisted living facility and they have a DIrectv "cable". No box in the apartments. The complex just has boxes in a telecom room and they output stations to different numbers like cable. Nice thing is everything is in HD. The locals are put in the right number (VHF's) with one exception. The UHF's are fill ins then it starts with cable stations in alphabetical order. There is only 29 cable stations (11-39) so they have made a couple changes. But as to the topic
2 KTCA PBS
3 In house computer (has lunch menu, weather, some "fun facts" and activitiy times)
4 WCCO CBS
5 KSTP ABC
6 WUCW CW (CW23)
7 WFTC MY (MY29)
8 KSTC IND (45)
9 KMSP FOX
10 KARE NBC (the oddball....KARE is 11)
11 A&E
12 Freeform (ABC Family)
13 AMC

They are alphabetized except for 2 of them
31 is ESPN2
30 WAS Nickelodeon....but the folks complained and now its HGTV
33 is Weather....but maybe they meant "THE weather channel" as 32 is TBS and 34 is TLC

couple notes
-27 is INSP and RFDTV....they have a timer set at 9am on Saturday to switch to RFDTV and on MOnday at 9 it switches back to INSP
-ESPN2 during college football season can be a bear if the "main" ESPN2 game is the same as the local ABC. Then it automatically switches to ESPN2-alt. So from the time the game is over until Monday when the maintenance man comes back you see the Directv logo and music.
 
According to Zap2it, a REAL ESTATE OFFICE in Irons, MI (Lake County - Traverse City DMA) has its own channel lineup (they might have some properties they rent out):
2 Nickelodeon
3 WWMT (CBS 3 Kalamazoo)
4 Local Access
5 WFQX (FOX 32 Cadillac)
6 QVC
7 WWTV (CBS 9 Cadillac)
8 WOOD (NBC 8 Grand Rapids)
9 WPBN (NBC 7 Traverse City)
10 (blank)
11 WXMI (FOX 17 Grand Rapids)
12 WGVU (PBS 35 Grand Rapids)
13 WZZM (ABC 13 Grand Rapids)
Full lineup: http://tvschedule.zap2it.com/tvlist...rence=false&lineupId=MI68414:-&aid=tvschedule

Golden Communications has two lineups, one in Irons (Traverse City DMA) and the other in Mears (Grand Rapids DMA).
Irons system:
2 INSP (The Inspirational Network) [Zap2it has Nickelodeon here]
3 Fox [Zap2it lists this as WFQX]
4 24 Radar Weather [from WZZM-DT2 according to Zap2it]
5 PBS (WCMU)
6 TBS
7 NBC (WPBN)
8 Weather Channel
9 CBS (WWTV)
10 TV Guide/Local Advertising
11 WGN
12 QVC
13 ABC (WZZM)
Full lineup: https://goldcommcable.com/customers/channel-lineups/irons/

Mears/Silver Lake system:
2 QVC
3 INSP (The Inspirational Network) [Zap2it has Nickelodeon here]
4 TBS
5 Local Access/Channel Guide
6 PBS [WCMW according to Zap2it]
7 NBC [WPBN according to Zap2it]
8 FOX [WXMI according to Zap2it; oddly, WFQX (as WWTV-DT2) is one of six QAM HD channels available according to Golden's website]
9 CBS [WWTV according to Zap2it]
10 DIY
11 WGN
12 Weather Channel
13 ABC [WZZM according to Zap2it]
Full lineup: https://goldcommcable.com/customers/channel-lineups/mears-silver-lake-stony-lake/
 
Piggybacking off Raymie's post, found several apartment complexes in the Michigan State University area that would qualify:

Abbott Place (http://tvschedule.zap2it.com/tvlist...8823&setMyPreference=false&lineupId=MI67504:-)
2 Program Guide
3 POP
4 Fox Sports Detroit
5 Reelz Channel
6 WLNS (CBS 6 Lansing)
7 NASA TV
8 Vme
9 HITN
10 WILX (NBC 10 Onondaga)
11 Evine Live
12 USA
13 TBS
[WHTV (MNT) is on 17, WKAR (PBS) is on 23, WSYM (FOX) is on 47, WLAJ (ABC) is on 53; also carries WPIX for CW on 60 instead of WLAJ-DT2]

Landings at Chandler Crossings (http://tvschedule.zap2it.com/tvlist...rence=false&lineupId=MI69781:-&aid=tvschedule)
2 Program Guide
3 WeatherNation TV
4 WILX (NBC 10 Onondaga)
5 WSYM (FOX 47 Lansing)
6 WLNS (CBS 6 Lansing)
7 WKAR (PBS 23 East Lansing)
8 WHTV (MNT 18 Jackson)
9 CNBC
10 CNN
11 HLN
12 Fox News
13 MSNBC
[WLAJ (ABC) is on 53]
(Two other lineups for Chandler Crossings [http://tvschedule.zap2it.com/tvlist...8823&setMyPreference=false&lineupId=MI69780:- and http://tvschedule.zap2it.com/tvlist...8823&setMyPreference=false&lineupId=MI69782:-] have 2-13 set up the exact same)

Crossing Place (http://tvschedule.zap2it.com/tvlist...8823&setMyPreference=false&lineupId=MI64887:-)
2 WILX (NBC 10 Onondaga)
3 WLAJ-DT2 (CW)
4 WHTV (MNT 18 Jackson)
5 WSYM (FOX 47 Lansing)
6 WLAJ (ABC 53 Lansing)
7 (blank)
8 ESPN
9 WLNS (CBS 6 Lansing)
10 TBS
11 HLN
12 (blank)
13 (blank)
 
Comcast Richmond VA (Independent City - Richmond DMA)
2 NBC Sports
3 Fox Sports 1
4 ESPN
5 ESPN2
6 Golf Channel
7 Comcast SportsNet
8 WRIC-8 (ABC) Richmond
9 WTVR-6 (CBS) Richmond
10 The Comcast Network MA
11 WRLH-35 (Fox) Richmond
12 WWBT-12 (NBC Richmond)
13 WUPV-65 (CW) Richmond
 
Now that we have jumped to apartments, universities and the like, I'll add a few:

Trailer Inns of America, Bellevue WA (an RV park off I-90 near Eastgate). Loads of cable networks to be found in 2-13.
2 KOMO Seattle (ABC)
3 KIRO Seattle (CBS)
4 KING Seattle (NBC)
5 KCPQ Seattle (Fox)
6 *Fox News*
7 *HLN*
8 *American Heroes Channel*
9 *NFL Network*
10 *The History Channel*
11 *FX*
12 *Bravo*
13 *Sportsman's Channel*
(Notes: KZJO, KCTS, KSTW, KBTC, KWPX NOWHERE TO BE FOUND! Also NO CNN. A major omission. This looks like one of those crappy LodgeNet motel lineups.)

Parkshore Senior Living, Seattle
2 Local Origination
3 *IFC* - what an oddity for this channel slot
4 KOMO Seattle (ABC)
5 KING Seattle (NBC)
6 KZJO Seattle (My)
7 KIRO Seattle (CBS)
8 KBTC Tacoma (PBS)
9 KCTS Seattle (PBS)
10 KWPX Bellevue (ION)
11 KSTW Seattle (CW)
12 Local Origination
13 KCPQ Seattle (Fox)
Notice one Seattle OTA omission? Yep...it's KONG-16 (IND). Nowhere to be found.

Here's a regular lineup from Easton, WA (Passcom Cable, zip 98925). Easton is about 15 miles east of Snoqualmie Pass on I-90...and it's just barely in Seattle DMA. No KNDO, KIMA, KAPP etc to be found here. From the westside, missing KSTW, KZJO and KONG.
2 Zap2It Program Guide
3 *Freeform*
4 KOMO Seattle (ABC)
5 KING Seattle (NBC)
6 *TBS*
7 KIRO Seattle (CBS)
8 *A&E*
9 KCTS Seattle (PBS)
10 *ESPN*
11 *Discovery Channel*
12 QVC
13 KCPQ Tacoma (Fox)

Affinity at Olympia, WA (Senior Living, again)
2 Community Channel
3 KCTS Seattle (PBS)
4 KOMO Seattle (ABC)
5 KING Seattle (NBC)
6 KCPQ Seattle (Fox)
7 KIRO Seattle (CBS)
8 KSTW Seattle (CW)
9 KONG Seattle (IND)
10 KUNS Seattle (UNI)
11 KWPX Bellevue (ION)
12 *The Weather Channel*
13 *CNN*
 
More to add, starting with Tobacco Valley Communications in Eureka, MT.
2 *CNN*
3 *HLN*
4 Zap2It Program Guide
5 *Fox News*
6 CFCN Calgary (CTV)
7 KSPS Spokane (PBS)
8 KPAX Missoula (CBS)
9 KCFW Kalispell (NBC)
10 CBUT Vancouver (CBC) - not CBRT AB here?
11 KAYU Spokane (Fox)
12 *TLC*
13 *Discovery Channel*

Here's a university lineup, the Manhattan School of Music in New York:
2 WCBS New York (CBS)
3 *TNT*
4 WNBC New York (NBC)
5 WNYW New York (Fox)
6 *Logo* - an oddity indeed
7 WABC New York (ABC)
8 *CNN*
9 WWOR New York (MY)
10 *USA*
11 WPIX New York (CW)
12 *TLC*
13 WNET New York (PBS)
The system also has WLIW up in the 30s somewhere, but no sign of WXTV, WNJU or WLNY.

How about CBS Television City in Los Angeles? They even have their own lineup!
2 KCBS Los Angeles (CBS)
3 *USA*
4 KNBC Los Angeles (NBC)
5 KTLA Los Angeles (CW)
6 *ESPN*
7 KABC Los Angeles (ABC)
8 *ESPN2*
9 KCAL Los Angeles (IND)
10 *CNN*
11 KTTV Los Angeles (Fox)
12 *E!*
13 KCOP Los Angeles (MY)
 
How about one other criteria?

Regular cable companies....not someone who takes a cable/satco company, remodulates the channels on other channels and has it in one apartment complex at a college or senior hi-rise :)
 
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