Can someone show channel 3 a map of the valley...

[fusejockey]

I think he is referring to the outer lanes. Much easier that saying West/South Lanes or East/North Lanes. The "Outer Loop" are the lanes on the outside of the circle, driving in a counter-clockwise manner. "Inner Loop" are the lanes on the inside of the circle, driving in a clockwise direction.

While that's true in some cities (eg., Washington Beltway), here, the entire Loop 101 is the Outer Loop, while I-10 and I-17 around downtown make up the Inner Loop. I was used to the same setup growing up around Rochester NY, so it took me a little while to figure out that when DC-area reporters were talking about an "inner loop" and "outer loop", they were talking about the same freeway.

According to some real estate literature I had read, the Town of Paradise Valley was incorporated in 1961 "to preserve open space". I wonder if part of the reason for incorporation was to provide organized opposition to the freeway which was planned to run about where Lincoln Drive is now?

Boy, does this bring back memories.... The political fighting about the freeways finally getting built and the big money neighborhoods opposing nearby freeways.
This is just as much fun as reading about KRUX, KRIZ and KXIV in the 1960's. BTW: Thanks to Keith for the map.
Also, the Phoenix 40 had LOTS of sway with the horrible looking high rise elevated freeway going over Central Avenue. They had that artist's concept picture on TV News and the front page of the AZ Repulsive !!

 

[oldiesfan6479]

Then-Republic/Gazette owner Gene Pulliam...and KOOL's Tom Chauncey...

Almost makes you want to go back in time so you could arrange for a couple of things
to occur...

Repulsive editorial cartoonist "Uno Who" (no, not Benson :) grows a pair and does a
scathing cartoon about old man Pulliam. Reg gets fired, but Pulliam has to leave town,
never to return, and freeway construction resumes.

Chauncey wakes up one morning to find an Arabian horse head in his bed. Immediately
he orders a new "equine" station ID: "Blessed is the station that IDs the horse, of course,
of course...KOOL-TV channel 10 Phoenix, on tape."

 

[KeithE4]

Boy, does this bring back memories.... The political fighting about the freeways finally getting built and the big money neighborhoods opposing nearby freeways.
This is just as much fun as reading about KRUX, KRIZ and KXIV in the 1960's. BTW: Thanks to Keith for the map.

You're welcome. ArizonaRoads.com has some good info on every state, US, and Interstate highway in Arizona. It hasn't been updated in quite a while, though.

Also, the Phoenix 40 had LOTS of sway with the horrible looking high rise elevated freeway going over Central Avenue. They had that artist's concept picture on TV News and the front page of the AZ Repulsive !!

I'm guessing that since Tom Chauncey was one of the leaders of the Phoenix 40, Channel 10 was the main perpetrator of what turned out to be not as bad as was made out. IIRC, that picture turned out to be a hoax.

"Blessed is the freeway that never gets built. KOOL-TV Channel 10 Phoenix, on tape." ;D

 

[sandiegoinexile]

I think he is referring to the outer lanes. Much easier that saying West/South Lanes or East/North Lanes. The "Outer Loop" are the lanes on the outside of the circle, driving in a counter-clockwise manner. "Inner Loop" are the lanes on the inside of the circle, driving in a clockwise direction.

While that's true in some cities (eg., Washington Beltway), here, the entire Loop 101 is the Outer Loop, while I-10 and I-17 around downtown make up the Inner Loop.

No, that's not what I meant. OK, there is a single highway called "The 101". It is comprised of two loops of traffic, one which goes counter-clockwise and another that goes clockwise. The "inner" loop of the 101 ALWAYS goes clockwise. The "outer" loop of the 101 ALWAYS goes counterclockwise.

Maybe this will help. Draw a circle. Then draw another circle just outside that circle. The space between the circles is the barrier between oncoming traffic. Sometimes it's a grassy knoll. It used to be that ever-popular single-chain-links. Now, it's mostly it's a concrete barrier. That barrier separates two loops, an inner and an outer.

So when traffic reporters refer to the Outer Loop, they are referring to the traffic driving counter-clockwise. When they refer to the Inner Loop, they are referring to the traffic driving in a clockwise direction. When Detour Dan says that traffic is piled up on the Outer Loop of the 101, he refers to the traffic driving counterclockwise.

As you accurately noted, in other cities with additional freeways, there may in fact be concentric circular highways, separated by miles and miles.

 

[dhett]

I think he is referring to the outer lanes. Much easier that saying West/South Lanes or East/North Lanes. The "Outer Loop" are the lanes on the outside of the circle, driving in a counter-clockwise manner. "Inner Loop" are the lanes on the inside of the circle, driving in a clockwise direction.

While that's true in some cities (eg., Washington Beltway), here, the entire Loop 101 is the Outer Loop, while I-10 and I-17 around downtown make up the Inner Loop.

No, that's not what I meant. OK, there is a single highway called "The 101". It is comprised of two loops of traffic, one which goes counter-clockwise and another that goes clockwise. The "inner" loop of the 101 ALWAYS goes clockwise. The "outer" loop of the 101 ALWAYS goes counterclockwise.

Maybe this will help. Draw a circle. Then draw another circle just outside that circle. The space between the circles is the barrier between oncoming traffic. Sometimes it's a grassy knoll. It used to be that ever-popular single-chain-links. Now, it's mostly it's a concrete barrier. That barrier separates two loops, an inner and an outer.

So when traffic reporters refer to the Outer Loop, they are referring to the traffic driving counter-clockwise. When they refer to the Inner Loop, they are referring to the traffic driving in a clockwise direction. When Detour Dan says that traffic is piled up on the Outer Loop of the 101, he refers to the traffic driving counterclockwise.

As you accurately noted, in other cities with additional freeways, there may in fact be concentric circular highways, separated by miles and miles.

I knew what you meant, but you are mistaken about Detour Dan. He is not referring to clockwise/counterclockwise; he is referring to separate concentric loops.

 

[coyoteaz]

From what I remember of Phoenix traffic reports, the "Inner loop" was usually in reference to 10 EB from the stack to the split, being part of both the loop immediately surrounding downtown and the direction going clockwise.

 

[sunspot51]

They are at it again. A report of a house fire on the 5pm news was near "Northern and Glendale". Map anyone?

 

[Sammi Brie]

They are at it again. A report of a house fire on the 5pm news was near "Northern and Glendale". Map anyone?

This newscast is brought to by non-Euclidean geometry, where parallel lines CAN intersect...

 

[formeraa]

They are at it again. A report of a house fire on the 5pm news was near "Northern and Glendale". Map anyone?

Did they say the intersection of Northern and Glendale? Technically, the house could have been located halfway between Northern and Glendale, thereby close to both streets.

 

[Dave Andrews]

They are at it again. A report of a house fire on the 5pm news was near "Northern and Glendale". Map anyone?

Did they say the intersection of Northern and Glendale? Technically, the house could have been located halfway between Northern and Glendale, thereby close to both streets.

Uhhh....that would put the house on Morten.

 

[formeraa]

They are at it again. A report of a house fire on the 5pm news was near "Northern and Glendale". Map anyone?

This newscast is brought to by non-Euclidean geometry, where parallel lines CAN intersect...

Nice comment, by the way! A fellow mathematician, perhaps?

 

[Sammi Brie]

They are at it again. A report of a house fire on the 5pm news was near "Northern and Glendale". Map anyone?

This newscast is brought to by non-Euclidean geometry, where parallel lines CAN intersect...

Nice comment, by the way! A fellow mathematician, perhaps?

Merely me reading too much.