"Can Sony Make HD Radio A Winner?"

[PocketRadio]

"Can Sony Make HD Radio A Winner?"

"Question: when was the last time you spent $200 for a table-top clock radio? What locale will have to freeze over before you pay it now? Can you think of 20 AM and 20 FM stations you'd like to store in its memory? Or any memory? Your memory? Are there 20 AM and FM stations in the entire nation worth storing in memory. Hey, the input jack is neat... Sony is crazy and the radio industry is crazier to think this is going to help their HD problem. Hello! There's no good programming on HD. Hell, there's no programming -- forget good."

http://insidemusicmedia.blogspot.com/2007/05/can-sony-make-hd-radio-winner.html

Jerry, you really crack-me-up !

 

[clouseau]

"Can Sony Make HD Radio A Winner?"

"Question: when was the last time you spent $200 for a table-top clock radio? What locale will have to freeze over before you pay it now? Can you think of 20 AM and 20 FM stations you'd like to store in its memory? Or any memory? Your memory? Are there 20 AM and FM stations in the entire nation worth storing in memory. Hey, the input jack is neat... Sony is crazy and the radio industry is crazier to think this is going to help their HD problem. Hello! There's no good programming on HD. Hell, there's no programming -- forget good."

http://insidemusicmedia.blogspot.com/2007/05/can-sony-make-hd-radio-winner.html

Jerry, you really crack-me-up !

He cracks me up too.

It is an amazing list in his article. It's the Whos Who of retailing and manufacturing. And Jer would have us believe that "They're all wrong and I'm right". All while whining about his precious WCBS-FM oldies.

I know Jerry owned "Inside Radio" for a while. Has this fossil even programmed a radio station since deregulation?

His reliance on "These guys made a mistake once, they're doing it again" is really laughable.

What's the phrase... Those that can, do... Those that can't ......

Clouseau

 

[Mike Walker]

If you don't like terrestrial radio, then WHY THE HELL DO YOU FREQUENT THIS BOARD, pissing off broadcasters? Wait, I answered my own question.

I have NO TROUBLE filling the 70 memories on my receiver, and I live in a rural area. YES, the air is full of interesting radio catches around here...country, bluegrass, folk, classical, jazz, alternative, news, sports, talk, gospel, adult contemporary, alternative rock, album rock, and on HD2 channels there are even unusual formats like "shuffle radio" a mix of all genres of popular music, a classic soul channel, and one that offers nothing but comedy. And again, I live in Wilkes County, NC (look it up on the map...talk about the middle of nowhere!) There's PLENTY to listen to, all free, and much of it in noise free HD.

As for "Sony making HD a winner", I don't think that's their job. Simply making competitive products will make their RADIOS a winner. Since Sony doesn't own any radio stations, networks, or groups, that's about what they can contribute. Which is plenty.

 

[radiopilot]

"Can Sony Make HD Radio A Winner?"

"Question: when was the last time you spent $200 for a table-top clock radio? What locale will have to freeze over before you pay it now? Can you think of 20 AM and 20 FM stations you'd like to store in its memory? Or any memory? Your memory? Are there 20 AM and FM stations in the entire nation worth storing in memory. Hey, the input jack is neat... Sony is crazy and the radio industry is crazier to think this is going to help their HD problem. Hello! There's no good programming on HD. Hell, there's no programming -- forget good."

http://insidemusicmedia.blogspot.com/2007/05/can-sony-make-hd-radio-winner.html

Jerry, you really crack-me-up !

PocketRadio

Keep posting this article to every post against you... soon these pro-HD types will learn soon enough the consumers are not that stupid as they think!

Radiopilot

 

[Mike Walker]

Yeah, because there's no momentum for HD in the marketplace, or the marketplace of ideas. There are no new stations, products, retailers, formats, etc. And none on the way. You're SOOOOO right. What could we have been thinking?

 

[radiopilot]

Yeah, because there's no momentum for HD in the marketplace, or the marketplace of ideas. There are no new stations, products, retailers, formats, etc. And none on the way. You're SOOOOO right. What could we have been thinking?

There are plenty of products out and with momemtum but without acceptance by the consumers... gotta have them to make the products successful.


Just because the radio geeks on these boards and others have bought these HD products does not mean full acceptance by the public... funny but how fast did the satelite products get sold as soon they they were introduced into the market, and what about Ipods and mp3 players? How fast did they get bought up by the public... so quick that there are 100's of these players and they keep getting bought up.. THAT is an example of public ACCEPTANCE...

Radiopilot

 

[PocketRadio]

Yeah, because there's no momentum for HD in the marketplace, or the marketplace of ideas. There are no new stations, products, retailers, formats, etc. And none on the way. You're SOOOOO right. What could we have been thinking?

Make sure you check-out my comments on Jerry's post.

 

[radiopilot]

Mike

Try Walmart again for HD radios... it still only list the JVC Mobile HD Receiver/CD Player KD-HDW10 car tuner as the ONLY HD product in it's website and catalog... that's funny you said to me some time back that once Walmart start selling HD radios, you remember my previous posts that listed HD clock radios being sold by Walmart and now they don't... is an example of NO consumer acceptance of HD radio products.

Imagine that Walmart abandoning HD clock radios! What does that tell you?

Radiopilot

 

[PocketRadio]

If you don't like terrestrial radio, then WHY THE HELL DO YOU FREQUENT THIS BOARD, pissing off broadcasters? Wait, I answered my own question...

I have been listening to SW and DX AM for the past 40 years - almost every night I listen to out-of-state news/talk/sports on AM. Unfortunately, SW also suffers from poor programming, as most of it is religious propaganda, and the like. I can bearly stomach all of the commercials on AM, but still enjoy listening to the Reds and Cubs baseball, as I did growing up, and some talk shows, such as Truckers Network. Back in the 1960's I built a Knight Kit Star Roamer, with my Dad, and have owned the excellent RS DX-440 and the Sony ICF-2010. Now, I just have various AM/FM radios, a pocket-radio being the favorite - my first pocket-radio, back in the 1960's, was the Realtone TR-1871. Now, this sure sounds like someone who really hates "radio" !

 

[dbdigital]

"Can Sony Make HD Radio A Winner?"

"Question: when was the last time you spent $200 for a table-top clock radio? What locale will have to freeze over before you pay it now? Can you think of 20 AM and 20 FM stations you'd like to store in its memory? Or any memory? Your memory? Are there 20 AM and FM stations in the entire nation worth storing in memory. Hey, the input jack is neat... Sony is crazy and the radio industry is crazier to think this is going to help their HD problem. Hello! There's no good programming on HD. Hell, there's no programming -- forget good."

http://insidemusicmedia.blogspot.com/2007/05/can-sony-make-hd-radio-winner.html

Jerry, you really crack-me-up !

This is a great rant from Jerry. I especially liked his opening statement: "Now consumers are now going to rush out and buy new HD radios." This is exactly how the boosters and even the media have painted Sony's entry into the HD-R market.

But two anemic entries into the HD-R market do not a revolution make. A "me too" table radio and car stereo adaptor are timid products. But I suppose Sony can be forgiven for this since, in the past, they have invested heavily into formats and products that proved to be stillborn.

Hey, could it be that Sony knows something about HD-R that we don't?

db

 

[wgliradio]

It is an amazing list in his article. It's the Whos Who of retailing and manufacturing. And Jer would have us believe that "They're all wrong and I'm right". All while whining about his precious WCBS-FM oldies.

CBS-FM as an oldies station was one of the last great stations... you know, like the original Z-100, the old WABC, the original HOT 103/97 etc. We don't have these kinds of stations anymore, which is making radio more and more irrelevent as there is no connection to listeners. Stations aren't great anymore, they are placeholders until something ELSE is programmed. Which is why the multicast, which is a great idea, will be blundered. Here, they've invested all this money in HD to program a jukebox.. and afterthought. Sad.

 

[davideduardo]

CBS-FM as an oldies station was one of the last great stations... you know, like the original Z-100, the old WABC, the original HOT 103/97 etc. We don't have these kinds of stations anymore, which is making radio more and more irrelevent as there is no connection to listeners. Stations aren't great anymore, they are placeholders until something ELSE is programmed. Which is why the multicast, which is a great idea, will be blundered. Here, they've invested all this money in HD to program a jukebox.. and afterthought. Sad.

That's not so... what you are really saying is that there is no staiton that is great to you in accordance with your tastes and preferneces.

I had, recently, a chance to talk to the listeners of a larger market hip hop station that has strong personalites and well programmed music. The listeners loved it, personally identified with it, used its website, went to events, etc.

"Great" is differently defined by different listener groups.

 

[dbdigital]

Well, it appears that one of our topics got deleted. I can only imagine why.

So in the interest of keeping out discordant debate, staying on-message and maintaining a sunny face on this forum, let me just say:

"that Sony's entry into the HD-R market will really kick start sales of HD Radio. That teens, who are avid listeners of terrestrial radio, will openly embrace this technology and demand it in future mp3 players. That HD-R is a smart investment for both the consumer and broadcaster. That radio properties will only get more valuable as HD-R achieves greater market penetration. And that listening to radio by any means other than conventional OTA (meaning internet, satellite, cell phone, etc.) is only a temporary fad and will, in time, fade away. Station owners have nothing to worry about and can carry on business as usual."

There, now that should please everyone, including the moderator.

db

 

[scanman1]

"Can Sony Make HD Radio A Winner?"

"Question: when was the last time you spent $200 for a table-top clock radio? What locale will have to freeze over before you pay it now? Can you think of 20 AM and 20 FM stations you'd like to store in its memory? Or any memory? Your memory? Are there 20 AM and FM stations in the entire nation worth storing in memory. Hey, the input jack is neat... Sony is crazy and the radio industry is crazier to think this is going to help their HD problem. Hello! There's no good programming on HD. Hell, there's no programming -- forget good."

http://insidemusicmedia.blogspot.com/2007/05/can-sony-make-hd-radio-winner.html

Jerry, you really crack-me-up !

Dude, you crack me up by posting this trash all the time. With SONY on board, it's almost certain HD radio is going to be all right. I will most likely buy one these radios (when they're out) to see just how good they are.

And, there are plenty of good choices on radio, you just need to tune around a bit and find them. 8)

 

[dumber than a box of hair]

With SONY on board, it's almost certain HD radio is going to be all right.

Not so fast. Ever use a late-model Sony radio? Sensitivity and selectivity, to put it bluntly, stink. They're going to have to do a LOT better than what they've been doing lately to make a competitive HD product.

 

[wgliradio]

That's not so... what you are really saying is that there is no staiton that is great to you in accordance with your tastes and preferneces.

I had, recently, a chance to talk to the listeners of a larger market hip hop station that has strong personalites and well programmed music. The listeners loved it, personally identified with it, used its website, went to events, etc.

"Great" is differently defined by different listener groups.

Great to me is generally considered great within the industry. And we all know what crap sounds like and you don't need the funny new radios to find it. We know the call letters over the last 75-80 years.

And within the last 5-10 years, not one station launched in a major market will ever probably be considered a "legendary" or "great" station, except to those who's egos are operating them.

And a great station does not have to fit my preference. Hot 103/97 in New York is a legendary station and not my cup of tea. Jazz is not my taste either, but there is no doubt where WBGO has its place and where WRVR had it's place. I will also note that while I do not like talk radio, there is no doubt what stations like WOR, WMCA and WABC in New York did for the genre. So your assumption is incorrect.

It's nice if you think what you're programming today is great by your standards, but when one looks back 50 years from now, they'll say Mike who? and David who? compared to what others have done in programming... and the stations you and others are programming today will be afterthoughts, but someone, somewhere, will know what KHJ was, what WQXR was, what WABC was, what WLS was, what WCFL was, what WSM was, what WLW was. But nobody will care about or even remember the KSCA's and KQBU's of the world.

 

[PocketRadio]

"Can Sony Make HD Radio A Winner?"

"Question: when was the last time you spent $200 for a table-top clock radio? What locale will have to freeze over before you pay it now? Can you think of 20 AM and 20 FM stations you'd like to store in its memory? Or any memory? Your memory? Are there 20 AM and FM stations in the entire nation worth storing in memory. Hey, the input jack is neat... Sony is crazy and the radio industry is crazier to think this is going to help their HD problem. Hello! There's no good programming on HD. Hell, there's no programming -- forget good."

http://insidemusicmedia.blogspot.com/2007/05/can-sony-make-hd-radio-winner.html

Jerry, you really crack-me-up !

Dude, you crack me up by posting this trash all the time. With SONY on board, it's almost certain HD radio is going to be all right. I will most likely buy one these radios (when they're out) to see just how good they are.

And, there are plenty of good choices on radio, you just need to tune around a bit and find them. 8)

Let me get this straight - just because Sony puts their name on a product, consumers are going to rush out and buy Sony HD radios ? So, a specific brand name is going to stir consumer interest in HD Radio ? Jerry teaches at USC, where he has direct access to Gen Y - every time he posts about HD Radio, he points out that Gen Y thinks HD Radio is laughable. The whole concept of adding more stations, to an already over-crowded dial, IS laughable ! Even with our new in-dash Sirius, that came with our new 2007 Ford Fusion, is very frustrating to use because there are too many channels to choose from - this is where the concept of Slacker and Pandora, where one gets to create personalized playlists "radio stations" is going to clobber HD Radio (which has already stalled).

 

[Mike Walker]

Actually WGIL, CBS FM STILL EXISTS...ON HD! A great reason to buy one...you'll miss great programming without it!

 

[rbrucecarter5]

Sony rushed into the market with AM stereo radios. And we all remember how that made AM stereo a success. Sony has the money to gamble on new technologies - and if they don't pan out, Sony will cut their losses and get out.

I will probably buy a couple, so I can sell them on eBay 20 years from now at a huge profit to HD fanatics listening to the last few dozen stations still broadcasting IBOC.

 

[rbrucecarter5]

Sony rushed into the market with AM stereo radios. And we all remember how that made AM stereo a success. Sony has the money to gamble on new technologies - and if they don't pan out, Sony will cut their losses and get out.

I will probably buy a couple, so I can sell them on eBay 20 years from now at a huge profit to HD fanatics listening to the last few dozen stations still broadcasting IBOC.