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CC cuts

I used to care, but CC and the other mega-cons turned me off when they took the local fun and creativity out of the equation about 10+ years ago!!!

I go the route of Pandora.com and reelradio.com when I want either 15-in-a-row with no commercials or radio shows WITH PERSONALITY and EXCITEMENT, respectively. And if all else fails, I resort to listening to my iPod or CDs.

It's sad when a low-end $100 Mp3 player can have a bigger library and less repetition than a $1M+ group of stations combined.
 
Listening to old airchecks from "The Real" Bob James from WGAR 1220 AM Cleveland 1976-1979, or Dancin' Danny Wright while he was at WGCL 98.5 FM-are just awesome...it was jocks like these who cared about what they did on the air, they always did something that made you laugh, the fun phone calls, Bob James with "Rate-A-Joke", or Danny's "News No One Knows", they put alot of work into a show, especially using reel to reel tape, and they made it work...
You never knew what was coming up next-silly phone calls, comedy bits, etc. They did something that is not found too often in today's radio, like take live request, live temps, live weather, it was a talent to pull off so much stuff every night while on the air---if you get the chance, listen to an aircheck from Bob James or Danny Wright, and you will hear something different from today...Thanks to people like you who knew how to make my day back then!
 
JNight said:
Listening to old airchecks from "The Real" Bob James from WGAR 1220 AM Cleveland 1976-1979, or Dancin' Danny Wright while he was at WGCL 98.5 FM-are just awesome...it was jocks like these who cared about what they did on the air, they always did something that made you laugh, the fun phone calls, Bob James with "Rate-A-Joke", or Danny's "News No One Knows", they put alot of work into a show, especially using reel to reel tape, and they made it work...
You never knew what was coming up next-silly phone calls, comedy bits, etc. They did something that is not found too often in today's radio, like take live request, live temps, live weather, it was a talent to pull off so much stuff every night while on the air---if you get the chance, listen to an aircheck from Bob James or Danny Wright, and you will hear something different from today...Thanks to people like you who knew how to make my day back then!
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[size=10pt]And this is relevant to the firings how? Here's an idea, have a point.[/size]
 
The relevance of the reminisces about "The Real Bob James", Danny Wright...etc... to the current crop of lay-offs may be the implicit idea that if local radio stations had entertaining hosts who provided entertainment that enhanced the music... where the music was only one element that people tuned in for, that maybe there would be less lay-offs because the stations would be doing better business because the shows would be "appointment radio" for a good number of listeners, and the shows would be more then just background music thus increasing the likelihood that listeners would really hear the commercials, and more of them would react to them by visiting or otherwise contacting the advertiser.
 
Wow...you are way out of touch aren't you? The reason for the lay offs at CC, and other companies, is the severe lack of advertising dollars coming in. That lack of revenue, in case you haven't noticed, is directly related to the economic problems plaguing the country at the moment.

This post is about those who were let go...you have basically said, they were let go because "they suck". Nice one genius.

I wish you swift unemployment status :-*
 
I was just offering a possible explanation of why the post about entertainers was offered. Absolutely the state of the economy is the primary culprit.
 
How about we reach out to our brothers and sisters and offer our support.... instead of...."Dont care" ,"CC sucks", "talent sucks", my IPOD is better", "Jocks were better 30 years ago", "Knew it was coming because Im a big hoo-hoo insider".

Seriously, you people sicken me with your self centered elitism.
 
I loved WGAR back in the day, especially Phil Gardner. I believe there's a Real Bob James aircheck on reelradio. I have no idea if the Real bob james is still in the business, or still living for that matter. Chances are today he'd be doing a straight talk/personality show (like Gary Burbank did on WLW), rather than jokes and comedy bits between songs. Except for some morning shows, it seems that music listeners want only music and talk/personality listeners don't want music.
 
I won't go into a lengthy post here but IMO, it hasn't been about the music for many years. Listeners stayed with stations because of the jocks or the personality of the station as a whole. Listeners tend to follow personalities. Not ALL listeners but I think the majority. If Triv goes to another station, he'll take a good share of WTAM listeners with him. Same with Trapper Jack or Lanigan or any name with ratings.

tone-def - this won't do any good but wherever all this hostility comes from, howzabout you ratchet it down a bit? I think it's a legit point that radio has squeezed a lot of personality out of what's offered today. And when you can get music from literally anywhere, a personality is the only thing a station can offer to differentiate itself. When so many stations are VT'ing, there's really no need for personality radio. Tomorrow, if a station filled every shift with big-time personality and started killing in the ratings, others would follow BUT ... they won't because they don't have to. If you're serious in your posts, I'm thinking you'd be a terrific candidate for the Peace Corps - you can really do so good with all that energy.

BTW - on the front page of radio-info, a Lubbock TX station drops the hideous "Jack" format, calling it "crappy" and goes to an all-live country format. I have detested the silliness of "Jack" since it emerged and am pleased to see it being kicked to the curb, station by station ...
 
The "Real" Bob James is doing fine and still teaches communications down in Tenn.
 
CC has cut up, chopped up, and defunked things since their days as Jacor...I aint disputing that. The original post was that people lost their jobs and no one cares. Callously, posts were added that it was just CC doing their thing. That disturbs me. These last several months have had massive lay-offs across the board in radio, and television, as the economy goes to pot and advertising revenues dry up. If any of you believe this is just business as usual you are sadly mistaken. This is the economic demise of the radio business as we know it. People have lost their livelihoods in a business that may never recover. Have a little sympathy for them.
 
tone-def - I'm with ya but what can any of us do? When the firings come wave after wave, eventually it kind of numbs those left behind. As you might also, I am ver well acquainted with the feeling of one day being on the air and feeling totally plugged and literally sitting at home the next, staring out a window and wondering "what happened?" feeling very unpligged. What can former co-workers do? There's a few e-mails, even fewer calls - and their lives go on.

As do ours ,,,
 
WKomm said:
tone-def - I'm with ya but what can any of us do? What can former co-workers do? There's a few e-mails, even fewer calls - and their lives go on.

As do ours ,,,
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Be a part of their "network". Make them a friend on My Book or Face Space. Keep in contact. Be a reference. Send a joke. They may not keep in constant contact. They may move on. But having way to keep in touch may one day come in very handy.

Been there, been chopped. Having my friends and "network" has paid in spades.

TD
 
tone-def said:
Wow...you are way out of touch aren't you? The reason for the lay offs at CC, and other companies, is the severe lack of advertising dollars coming in. That lack of revenue, in case you haven't noticed, is directly related to the economic problems plaguing the country at the moment.

This post is about those who were let go...you have basically said, they were let go because "they suck". Nice one genius.

I wish you swift unemployment status :-*
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The economy is one thing. You can't fix that by cannibalizing your sales staffs and pretend that no one will notice.

But try this: if a business you frequent keeps treating you, and all the other customers that are there, like crap, you won't go back. Absolutely one of the many reasons why newspapers are in deep financial trouble. Yeah, the classifieds were rendered irrelevant by the internet, and the same goes with news gathering, but the papers themselves are at fault with failing to deliver on CONTENT.

That's John's point, and gr8's point. CC, Citadel, Cumulus and CBS (wow, a lot of "C's" there!) have had a lot to do with the dumbing-down of talent. Ditto with FM radio being over-researched and over-analyzed to death. It destroyed personality to the point where ratings as a whole are irrelevant. Dancing' Danny Wright, Bob James, "Jeff 'n Flash," "Lanigan, Webster & Malone," the WIXY Superman, the WHK Good Guys, etc., etc. All great examples of personality. All ratings winners (remarkably so with WIXY, no?) ... even with Danny's three stints in Cleveland. It worked for him.

If ownerships gave at least the resources and support to current deejays, who knows what we would have. After all, Rover, Maxwell and (yes) Triv all became successes because they were given just that. Ditto when Jimmy Malone, who had other main jobs even in the mid-80s, joined Lanigan on Thursdays mornings on WMJI to host an hour of silly news stories. Give them the chance.

It doesn't help that there is virtually no farm system for talent, either. No way that a promising jock can be "discovered" out of Sandusky, Peoria IL, or Barstow CA. It's gone. All gone.
 
Back in the old days, It mattered to station owners that one (or more) of their stations INDIVIDUALLY beat their competitors.

Nowadays in the conglomerated, homogenized radio world, the suits don't really give a damn if their AC station beats out the competitors AC station in head-to-head ratings. All they care about nowadays is if at the end of the day, when you add the ratings for ALL of their stations TOGETHER, that the number is more than the total ratings of the competitor's group of stations.

Hence why it was always a battle, initially, on what big name radio group got the most stations in a market.

Hence why the same big name groups don't put much effort into making their stations sound good anymore...Just as long as their 5 stations combined beat the rival's 5 stations combined in total ratings!
 
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