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CC Sucks

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DickNixon

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well, at least that's the overriding sentiment on these boards. mmmm. just checking here. I'm I the only one who's noticed that they have 6 of their 8 stations in the top 11 25-54, and they're currently pulling a 40% revenue share. They're up while everyone else is down. Oh, and KLOL appears to be the top rated spanish language station (gringo idiots)

we should all suck this bad. I wanna be easy money.

Trickie Dickie
 
why so much anger? Let them be! CC i think atleast knows what their doing KLOL is dominating in spanish and their sales are up aswell!
 
Microsoft makes good money also, but I still think that Windows Vista sucks! Went sat. radio a couple months back and it's been heaven!
 
ok fm's are doing somewhat good: last ppm i saw had koda @ #3 they used to be #1

but the am's are all sinking

740 when they did news used to be #7 now they're #11

950 radio no-go sank below ksev 700

790 3 way tie for last, best music ever at least was 2 notches higher than last.

wait until san antonio ask's michael berry why the am #'s stink
 
zork,
somewhat "well" might roll off your keyboard a little better. (see 2nd grade grammer book). you're right #3 really sucks. There's about 35 stations who'd sell their soul for that rank.

Fred - so right - that whole Microsoft thing has been a real disappointment. When did you guys get canned by the evil empire?

you're right 2 out of the 8 didn't fall into the top eleven. But hell, even betty crocker burns a cake now and again.

zork, I don't care what you say CC's doin' gooder than the competition.
 
The radio landscape (and the large corporate control) will change drastically in a few years when wireless internet based radio becomes common in cars...still working out the bugs in wiring everywhere as a hot spot and the sound quality is still less than FM, but that day is coming. The number of stations then will be infinite, far more than even XM or Sirius can offer.
 
zork said:
ok fm's are doing somewhat good: last ppm i saw had koda @ #3 they used to be #1

I will be the first to admit that I am no big fan of CC, as a company, but that being said, I must be fair. Their stations are solid, even in the wake of uncertainty that surrounds the deal to go private.

I have felt, of late, that KODA is trying to sound like Mix once did (Mix is trying to change their sound, too; to what yet, I'm not sure). I haven't listened to Sunny for any length of time for a few months, now, so maybe I'm no judge.

Still, that being said, #3 is a mark that many stations would like to achieve and that is up from #5, last month. Certain stations trend like this a lot. As I've witnessed over the years, KODA skyrockets in the ratings with the Christmas format, dips a little in the late winter, holds steady in the spring and drops a little to the rap, Top 40, and alternative, during the summer, while the kids are on summer break, before coming back again in the fall. I've seen this happen, year-to-year, and it is nearly as predictable as the sunrise in the morning. They're rarely to never lower than top 5, as a station.

As was stated when the ratings came up in a discussion last month, the PPM is never kind to AM stations and while 740 has taken a hit, how much of that is due to the fact that the PPM system is still rather flawed and unkind to the AMs? In my estimate, quite a bit.

Given my past history with CC, I am the last person who should stand in line to praise them, but I think we should be fair here; when six of the eight stations in the cluster make the top 11, they're, obviously, doing something right.
 
Dear Dick Nixon,

What a victory with so many Spanish stations.

Your no Dick Nixon.

Please don't insult the name!
 
In my circle of friends (real broadcasters...with a passion of/for real broadcasting), when someone says "Clear Channel Sucks," they're not (usually) refeering to the programming and/or ratings of any particular CC station. Those of you that are in this business, especially those of you who have worked for Clear Channel, know exactly what "Clear Channel Sucks" means.

As far as ratings and Clear Channel are concerned, one of the most impressive performances that I have EVER seen by a radio company is Clear Channel's continued/continual domination of the Louisville market. I can NOT remember a time when CC's WHAS-AM or WAMZ-FM weren't either #1 or #2 in that market. Sometimes WHAS was #1 and WAMZ was #2, sometimes WAMZ was #1 and WHAS was #2. I simply don't remember when any other station in the market was in either of those slots.
 
From artist to air personality all cheapened and capitalized to give shareholders the perception of unlimited future growth.
Don't worry, folks. Even with the privatization deal, they're gonna make out a lot better than one might think.

I fail to see the triumpth in Clear Channel's ratings victories. Just as I see no triumpth in Monsanto's quest to hold patents on the world's food supply or Halliburton's more efficient war machine.


Many under CC employ may enjoy this kind of thing (or the pay must be fantastic) otherwise they'd all be shopping for a different logo on their checkstubs.
 
truthsayer said:
Dear Dick Nixon,

What a victory with so many Spanish stations.

Your no Dick Nixon.

Please don't insult the name!

Yeah, the real "Tricky Dick" insulted it enough as president...("I am not a crook...no body ever asked me!! I would have told them...even Dan Rather!" :)
 
Just a thought on the eye-catching headline of the post...

What's with the animosity? It's pretty apparent that they don't suck, with 6 stations in T10.

I've been burned by CC, as many R-I participant have, but I still have to admire the tenacity of their sales and programming staff.

The market is in shambles and they are consistent and strong. Especially factoring the in the implication of PPM.
Where stations that had never even been in the game, finally charted and had a chance didn't take it, CC seemed to be right there, picking up the slack.
You have to see that they know what they're doing.

Even if you don't consider their programming ethics real "radio", what CC does, the public buys.

Isn't that the point?
Give the public what it wants?

CC by far plays more music and has a strategy to spot placement, an area that most stations nationwide have resisted.

It's a new game and CC adopted the most marketable point of broadcast.

Give 'em a little credit.
 
CC has done a great job.

1. It buys most of the strong frequencies and heritage stations across the country
2. Have the sales staffs use the fact they own multiple, big time stations in each market to effectively bully all the other kids on the block
3. Take the personality out of the stations and cut staff to pay off the debt from the company's massive buying spree
4. Then manage not to suck as much as the other stations who have to do the same thing to compete with CC, because after all, CC owns most of all the big time frequencies in each city that people have always listened to

Not bad.
 
petertrip said:
3. Take the personality out of the stations and cut staff to pay off the debt from the company's massive buying spree


BINGO!
 
petertrip said:
3. Take the personality out of the stations and cut staff to pay off the debt from the company's massive buying spree

That urban legend again... disproving this, of course, puts doubt on all your other points.

The vast majority of the "acquisitions" by Clear post-1996 were achieved via mergers (exchange in stock) or stock issuance (equity) neither of which cost anything and did not add any debt. Clear has a lower debt to equity ratio than GE... one of America's most respected companies.
 
fredthehead said:
A lower debt ratio than GE??? WTF? You're comparing CC to GE? Wow! what a reach

The point is that CCU did not amass an onerous amount of debt as most acquisitions were via merger or equity trade and the total debt is in the "usual and normal" range for large companies. Since CCU had way over $2 billion in EBITDA last year, it looks very good as a revenue producing entity.
 
GE probably has 2 billion in EBITDA in one quarter...it's not an apples to apples comparison D.E. but that's good circle talk throwing in 50 cent words like EBITDA. You should be in politics.
 
A couple of years ago David told me on this very board that Howard Stern would never go to satellite. What happened the following week?
 
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