CCrane's new ACOUSTIC ENERGY WI-FI INTERNET RADIO

[IBOCRocks]

My point is this:

What does any of this have to do with HD Radio, and in particular, CCrane's new WiFi radio?

Take it to private email or something. Sheesh.

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

Because the Internet, to include Wi-Fi radio, are direct threats, to the well-being, of HD radio.

 

[autopaint-1]

"Because the Internet, to include Wi-Fi radio, are direct threats, to the well-being, of HD radio"

When is that, 200010 or 2020? Where are the car radios and the infrastucture? Most people leave their homes. What do you expect them to do hum? Only terrestrial radio can presently bring local news, weather and Sports (the sats get their sports programing from terrestrial sattions. Tproduce nothing in the way of sports themselves.) You're talking about the possibility of a technology that as of this time does not exist in the majority of the United States, outside of a few "hot-spots"..

 

[SayNoToIBOC]

Actually, wireless Internet is presently being put into communities, and automobile maufacturers are excited about putting Internet into their cars. A well-known fact, that the programming on terrestrial radio leaves a lot to be desired - HD Radio does not address that issue; Wi-Fi/Internet and satellite radio offer many times the programming options.

 

[autopaint-1]

"automobile maufacturers are excited about putting Internet into their cars."


Where'd you come up with this Mr Ford? Wi_Fi in communities means nothing. No radios exist and most car companies don't manufacture their own radios. This is a dream. Get Wi_Fi ionto cities like LA or NY and you might have something but I think you have many years before that happens.


"A well-known fact, that the programming on terrestrial radio leaves a lot to be desired"


By whome? This is like those cable news shows who tout, "we're number one on cable". Well in reality the numbers at the cable level are miniscule compared with traditional broadcasters. With all the talk about the cable hit Sopranos, it's numbers are minimal comored with a successful OTA program, numbers wise. Most americans do not have access to HBO, OTA TV is another matter. The same for cable which for the most part is comprised of old television programs and movies.




- HD Radio does not address that issue; Wi-Fi/Internet and satellite radio offer many times the programming options.

 

[vsa]

AUTOPAINT-! WROTE: "Where are the car radios and the (BROADBAND WIRELESS INTERNET) infrastucture?"

Do you know who Craig McCaw is? He's the man who made a fortune popularizing cell phone service. His new venture is called Clearwire. Intel and Motorola just pumped almost a billion dollars into the company. An article from BusinessWeek Online at the link below will answer some questions and open a few eyes on radios real threat.

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/06_30/b3994051.htm

 

[davideduardo]

Actually, wireless Internet is presently being put into communities, and automobile maufacturers are excited about putting Internet into their cars. A well-known fact, that the programming on terrestrial radio leaves a lot to be desired - HD Radio does not address that issue; Wi-Fi/Internet and satellite radio offer many times the programming options.

Who says "A well-known fact, that the programming on terrestrial radio leaves a lot to be desired"

Certainly not the listeners radio targets. Listening levels in 18-54 are within a few percent of historic levels. Except for teens and 55+, who we do not target (except as a "magnet strategy") the reports of a decline are radically overstated.

Let's look at an average I did of a couple of top 10 markets. In Spring of 1998, the cume rating (which is the percentage of the universe using radio) for 18-54, the audience terrestrial radio serves, was 96.7.

8 years later, after satellite, iPods, phones with new gaming and entertainment options, new portable video gaming devices, HDTV, etc., etc., came on the scene, the cume share is 96.2.

Gee, radio is dead. We lost 0.5%... five-tenths of one percent... in reach in 8 years... 8 years that have seen an exponetial growth of new entertainment delivery methods.

And YOU complain that I do not give links! Your statement is just not true in so many ways.

 

[davideduardo]

AUTOPAINT-! WROTE: "Where are the car radios and the (BROADBAND WIRELESS INTERNET) infrastucture?"

Do you know who Craig McCaw is? He's the man who made a fortune popularizing cell phone service. His new venture is called Clearwire. Intel and Motorola just pumped almost a billion dollars into the company. An article from BusinessWeek Online at the link below will answer some questions and open a few eyes on radios real threat.

It's not a threat. This is because many of the major broadcasters are forming alliances with Motorola for content, especially local content.

For decades, FMs simulcast a sister AM. Now, this technology will simulcast terrestrial radio and provide certain new content.

You didn't think they were just going to plug a bunch of iPods into the thing, did you?

 

[IBOCRocks]

Because the Internet, to include Wi-Fi radio, are direct threats, to the well-being, of HD radio.

Nice try, but that wasn't my point.

You can certainly talk about your opinion about Wifi killing HD. My comment was directed at David and the other guy arguing about Arbitron and the bank. That has nothing to do with HD.

 

[autopaint-1]

"Do you know who Craig McCaw is?"

I sure do. His father once owned WINS in NYC and sold it for over 10 million dollars to Westinghouse in the 60's. Either he or his father lost most of the family money except for McCaw wireless in Seattle. He worked to develope cell phones. Cell phones are not going to replace radio. have any of you been in a national emergency? I have. I was in NYC on 9-11 at a work and we lost ISDN and cell phone use because that infrastucture was flooded when a hole was clown in the side of the lower Manhattan Verizon building. that technology is nowhere near as robust as terrestrial broadcasting. I was there. I know from first hand information and experience. I saw the buildings go down myself I saw the F 16's flying over head. I was running master control for our network when it occured. I saw how collegues used our log periodic on the roof of our building when they had no other means of contacting our collegues at offices in another city. I saw the major WTC cell site disappear in minutes after the planes hit. Don't tell me that in an emergency you'd be happy counting on the lousy, highly compressed cell phone when you have to reach millions of people. I was there, so don't try to get over on me.

 

[jessegraffam]

Where'd you come up with this Mr Ford?

I don't know where he got it from, but I'll confirm it. In fact MANY people have been talking to Ford, GM, Toyota, Benze, BMW, etc, etc, etc... and speaking of Ford & GM both, my company among many others are involved and we've been talking to them for over 5 years now.

And I wont even honor your WiFi statement cos you pulled that out of thin air.

"A well-known fact, that the programming on terrestrial radio leaves a lot to be desired"
By whome?

You can count my vote. You can also count the vote of radioio's investors, a veritable who's who of corporate radio... the people who made much of it happen didn't even like the outcome! They DUMPED you guys, and moved on!!! It's happening to David Eduardo too, right now.

But the real first people corporate-radio dumped was the public. They gave up caring in favor of making cash. Now the lackies and stockholders are getting dumped over the last few years too.

FACT: Corporate radio SUCKS!!! [EDIT]

This is like those cable news shows who tout, "we're number one on cable". Well in reality the numbers at the cable level are miniscule compared with traditional broadcasters. With all the talk about the cable hit Sopranos, it's numbers are minimal comored with a successful OTA program, numbers wise. Most americans do not have access to HBO, OTA TV is another matter. The same for cable which for the most part is comprised of old television programs and movies.

NEWS FLASH: Corporate TV sucks too!!!

popularity is only good if it's you making money... it's NOT good for the consumer. why do you think the world is turning so damned politically correct... cos that's all you idiots want to do anymore is deliver content that will appeal to the largest majority of people, despite it's quality..... ALL in the name of the mighty dollar.

you'll NEVER get it David. you wouldn't know REAL local content that actually cares about what ALL the listeners want if it bit you in the ass. and even if you did, you'de buy it so you wouldn't have to compete.

[EDIT=vulgar]

 

[davideduardo]

[You can count my vote. You can also count the vote of radioio's investors, a veritable who's who of corporate radio... the people who made much of it happen didn't even like the outcome! They DUMPED you guys, and moved on!!! It's happening to David Eduardo too, right now.

But the real first people corporate-radio dumped was the public. They gave up caring in favor of making cash. Now the lackies and stockholders are getting dumped over the last few years too.

FACT: Corporate radio SUCKS!!! [EDIT]

you'll NEVER get it David. you wouldn't know REAL local content that actually cares about what ALL the listeners want if it bit you in the ass. and even if you did, you'de buy it so you wouldn't have to compete.

[EDIT=vulgar]

I do not know who you are addressing this too, as you use my name at the end, and answer another poster's questions.

"Nothing" is what is happening to me right now in the context of your first paragraph. Our controlling investor, one of the most innovative producers in TV and entertainment, is doing retirement planning. We love who we are now and will love whoever is next, since we are in the only inflation-beating sector of radio or TV today.

And, as an aside: I worked in radio back when the FCC capped owners to 7 AM and 7 FM. Most of the owners were not nice. No benefits, no job security. And their concern was how much money each station made each month. When you only have a few stations, you are very tight in controlling each one, because you can not afford to develop new formats, develop talent, explore niches. Instead, you controlled how much toilet paper was used and did not have a 401k or insurance.

Of course, ad rates are set by how many lsiteners you have. So it is ingenuous to say that "corporate radio" duped the audience. The biggest effort is made to get as much audience as possible. You do that by providing what the listeners tell you they want. Duh.

Aside: I looked at the 1968 Broadcasting Yearbook. I could not find more than a handful of non-corporate owned stations in the US even then. So I have not a clue what you mean by "corporate radio."

"Local content" is whatever local listeners want to hear. It may just be non-stop songs. In other formats, it may be news, traffic, weather and talk. I think having done about the only 100% live and local AM news talker in the US makes me fairly knowledgable of local content.... oh, the station became top 3 in a year, and 5 years later is still there. No syndication, no outside voices, no network news, 100% out of the station studios. Your turn:

 

[autopaint-1]

"And I wont even honor your WiFi statement cos you pulled that out of thin air."

Huh? Can you tell me on what highway I can drive in the NY Metro area (15 million plus citizens in our market) listening to Wi-Fi? If you can I'll go out tomorrow and purchase a radio. I'd love to have Wi-Fi in my car. Not everyone in the NY area has access to Hi speed let alone Wi-Fi. Are you a New Yorker? Do you live in the Tri State area?


"I don't know where he got it from, but I'll confirm it. In fact MANY people have been talking to Ford, GM, Toyota, Benze, BMW, etc, etc, etc... and speaking of Ford & GM both, my company among many others are involved and we've been talking to them for over 5 years now"

All that talk must be working. Everyhwere I look I see Wi Fi radios in cars. Of course BMW has a HD radio as an option so they must be speaking to others as well.


"NEWS FLASH: Corporate TV sucks too!!!

popularity is only good if it's you making money... it's NOT good for the consumer. why do you think the world is turning so damned politically correct... cos that's all you idiots want to do anymore is deliver content that will appeal to the largest majority of people, despite it's quality..... ALL in the name of the mighty dollar.

you'll NEVER get it David. you wouldn't know REAL local content that actually cares about what ALL the listeners want if it bit you in the ass. and even if you did, you'de buy it so you wouldn't have to compete."

Uh Oh, I guess that means the TV nework in our operation better start packing up. Wait, what do they do about their cable interests, one of which is located within our facilities. Wait, we also distribute one of the smaller networks as well. boy I'll just suggest to all my TV colleagues that they not bother coming in tomorrow.

http://www.nielsenmedia.com/DMAs.html


I love the corporate this or that sucks. Great use of the language. The vast majority of citizens disagree with your appraisal.

"[EDIT=vulgar]"


Not to insult our trusty moderator but if you got edited for language considering what goes on here, you must have some spectacular vocabulary. I do love the fact that this is a board dedicated to digital radio and yet we have to deal with disgrunteled DXers, W-Fi freaks, satellite folk and they all have one thing in common. It's that tizzy fit over the fact that IBOC is starting to appear and like the child who sticks their fingers in their ears while yelling nya nya nya, they think they can make the reality which is upon us disappear. It's truly a sad commentary on how adults will behave under the right circumstances.



(added a missing l to the word will)

 

[SUPERCASTER]

No major city will have city wide wireless WI-FI?
http://www.computerworld.com/action/webcast.do?command=viewWebCastDetail&contentId=9001277
Those Acoustic Energy type WI-FI radios are looking better and better!
Arbitron shows their discrimination, bias, inacuracy and misrepresents results by excluding public and non-commercial stations from their main report. You have to make a special request to get the full report including all stations!

 

[autopaint-1]

Terrific, now in about 15 or 20 years we'l be able to travel from one city to another and enjoy Wi-Fi coverage. I guess I'd better order that Wi-Fi car radio right away. You're talking small potatos here. It'll take years before Wi-Fi is available nationally. What should we do in the meantime? By the way Super, it's amazing how much your type looks like SayNo's and the use of links is familiar too. Just an observation.

 

[davideduardo]

Arbitron shows their discrimination, bias, inacuracy and misrepresents results by excluding public and non-commercial stations from their main report. You have to make a special request to get the full report including all stations!

Sorry to disappoint you, but Arbitron is a sales tool. They exclude non-commercial (public stations are non-coms) stations from the publicly released data which is only 12+ and given free... because that is what it is worth.

The ratings "report" is not even printed any more. The Electronicly delivered Maximizer data has every station that got diary mentions in it... public, private, etc. There is no "special request" as the data all comes via a Maximiser download.

Non-coms get a different report, not sales focused, which they can use for programming analyis and fundraising. It is the same data, but presented in a different form and, of course, less expensive.

 

[SUPERCASTER]

Terrific, now in about 15 or 20 years we'l be able to travel from one city to another and enjoy Wi-Fi coverage. I guess I'd better order that Wi-Fi car radio right away. You're talking small potatos here. It'll take years before Wi-Fi is available nationally. What should we do in the meantime? By the way Super, it's amazing how much your type looks like SayNo's and the use of links is familiar too. Just an observation.

Shows how often you are wrong!
Since when can you travel from city to city and carry an HD Radio signal. HD Radio is primary coverage only, remember?
As far as WI-FI wireless cities, it seems as if there are soon going to be quite a few:
"Wireless Silicon Valley promises to bring ubiquitous broadband wireless Internet access to residents and businesses throughout Silicon Valley. It will be a boon to the growth of small businesses and high tech and biotech startups in the region, and to all of our residents. It's an exciting public/private project and another example of what makes Silicon Valley a special place to live and work."

- Brian Moura, Assistant City Manager, City of San Carlos, Smart Valley board of directors, Chairman of SAMCAT
http://www.jointventure.org/programs-initiatives/smartvalley/projects/wirelesssv/wirelesssv.html

The other "pilot communities" of the initiative are: Corpus Christi, Texas; Portland, Ore.; Mangaratiba, Brazil; Dusseldorf, Germany; Gyor, Hungary; Jerusalem, Israel; Seoul, South Korea; and Westminster, UK.

During a press conference for the announced initiative, Intel's Chandrasekher said the company hopes to have as many as 100 cities worldwide and was contributing technology resources and consulting on the rollout of city-wide wireless systems.
He indicated companies looking beyond existing WiFi and mesh network solutions are focused on WiMax, which may also be used to reach more remote and rural areas.

http://www.technewsworld.com/story/45603.html
http://www.muniwireless.com/

EDITORIAL
Wi-Fi and the Cities
Published: June 6, 2006
Wide dissemination of Wi-Fi is not the future. It is now.

http://www.nycwireless.net/articles
http://www.govtech.net/magazine/channel_story.php/100187

http://gigaom.com/2005/09/30/google-confirms-san-francisco-wifi-plans/

 

[autopaint-1]

"Shows how often you are wrong!
Since when can you travel from city to city and carry an HD Radio signal. HD Radio is primary coverage only, remember?
As far as WI-FI wireless cities, it seems as if there are soon going to be quite a few:
"Wireless Silicon Valley promises to bring ubiquitous broadband wireless Internet access to residents and businesses throughout Silicon Valley. It will be a boon to the growth of small businesses and high tech and biotech startups in the region, and to all of our residents. It's an exciting public/private project and another example of what makes Silicon Valley a special place to live and work."


Great I'll head right out and have that Wi-Fi capable radio installed in my car today. Here's another forcast;
it will be cloudy all next week with a chance of showers in the hills. Today though the sun is shining throughout the region. Or Ms Cleo, Calll me now I can predict the future.