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Ch..Ch...Ch....Changes Cumulus/Citadel

onetake said:
Tyler Cox is good and he knows Dallas, and he does consistent format radio. This will be interesting to see the additional ways he can see a talk operation work. Too bad Graci didn't get a chance to really show it or prove it. Inheriting the #4 station in the Cumulus cluster at a time of management not wanting to commit to any change "until the merger" he and everybody there probably spent a lot of time making do with what they had...only to see the plug pulled.
Everything from contracts in place to managers on hold make for a difficult time to be creative.
Maybe now KLIF can. Maybe.
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Jim, is that you?

And yes, Tyler Cox is good. No excuses from him. His management style works well with on air talent & he'll get the Legendary KLIF back on track. His experience speaks volumes.
 
it's a waste of good money keeping Tyler, as his formatics are already in place at WBAP and it works...why keep paying the assembly line guy

....huh?....Mike, aren't you the one who keeps asking why corporations fire people who've had a longevity of success??!....It seems hypocritical to now suggest that Tyler should go because his "assembly line" is working at WBAP?!... Tyler seems to have done quite well for himself and his employers. Clearly, he is a proven performer. If he is given additional duties that might include KLIF, is there anyone who would suggest that might be anything but positive for KLIF?!
 
Steve, I usually reserve those sentiments for on-air people, NOT management. While I respect your opinion and your background, since when have we ever agreed on radio operations, anyway? For example, you yourself are the only voicetracker I know of who's a staunch supporter of voicetracking; meanwhile, 80% of your friends at ABCRN have lost their jobs there over it. The few remaining are getting paid $20 an hour for the flat 1.5 hours it takes to VT a regular shift. Yes, THAT'S the kind of crap I have a problem with.

Tyler's not on my personal payroll, he's no longer a friend, and I don't listen to WBAP anymore, anyway, so I'm really not all that concerned with what happens...I've mainly been watching this thread for reports of friends and familiar names that Cumulus decided they didn't need after the buyout. As for Cox, I do know that WBAP's demo is aging itself out of relevance, and that problem has not been addressed. I was told several years back that WBAP was propping up all of Citadel financially, on its own, and I wonder if that's been true since. Perhaps it's more a testament to the sales staff there that they can solicit orders from ColonBlow and other geriatric products, and still get top dollar for those spots. The fact that Texas is so polarized politically helps the station's cause, but, like with KAAM, you have a natural erosion of audience as the years go by. That's why I suggested that KLIF go moderate talk or "WBAP-Lite" to try to reel in a desired demo. You can't expect Hate Talk to survive without recruiting new, younger members. Look what happened to the KKK.

And not everyone agreed with the positive parts of my assessment of Tyler here. I got more than one private message that challenged my compliments on several fronts, and the consensus was not pretty. I will leave it at that.
 
MikeShannon914 said:
Steve, I usually reserve those sentiments for on-air people, NOT management. While I respect your opinion and your background, since when have we ever agreed on radio operations, anyway? For example, you yourself are the only voicetracker I know of who's a staunch supporter of voicetracking; meanwhile, 80% of your friends at ABCRN have lost their jobs there over it. The few remaining are getting paid $20 an hour for the flat 1.5 hours it takes to VT a regular shift. Yes, THAT'S the kind of crap I have a problem with.

Tyler's not on my personal payroll, he's no longer a friend, and I don't listen to WBAP anymore, anyway, so I'm really not all that concerned with what happens...I've mainly been watching this thread for reports of friends and familiar names that Cumulus decided they didn't need after the buyout. As for Cox, I do know that WBAP's demo is aging itself out of relevance, and that problem has not been addressed. I was told several years back that WBAP was propping up all of Citadel financially, on its own, and I wonder if that's been true since. Perhaps it's more a testament to the sales staff there that they can solicit orders from ColonBlow and other geriatric products, and still get top dollar for those spots. The fact that Texas is so polarized politically helps the station's cause, but, like with KAAM, you have a natural erosion of audience as the years go by. That's why I suggested that KLIF go moderate talk or "WBAP-Lite" to try to reel in a desired demo. You can't expect Hate Talk to survive without recruiting new, younger members. Look what happened to the KKK.

And not everyone agreed with the positive parts of my assessment of Tyler here. I got more than one private message that challenged my compliments on several fronts, and the consensus was not pretty. I will leave it at that.
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As far as aging I don't think that WBAP to KAAM age demo is a good comparison.

There is about a 20 year difference in that gap. Plus the WBAP audience can still get out and purchase products let alone show up more readily for remotes.

The KAAM audience? God love them but they are into 75+! Many who went to the dances are getting fewer and fewer each year. And the others? Well... they have hopefully gone on to their reward.

But hey, when you got people you paying you for Colon Blow! spots what do ya do?

Perhaps KLIF should go for the other end of the spectrum? Maybe that Progressive Talk stuff. More moderate like Ed Schultz and less that Air America stuff.

Yes it was tried here before but with a satellite of Air America tripe, very little local talk and on a crappy signal.

KLIF's reach would be great! You could get more local Prog talk vs National. And I believe some of AA 910's sales staff are working for Cumulus Dallas still. They have the mindset and have sold it before. Now they have the contacts but with a much better stick to work with!

But CC has tried this format as well. Many were flipped to Spanish or sports. But I think they should at least give it a chance.

-BGH
 
OHTBGH said:
The KAAM audience? God love them but they are into 75+! Many who went to the dances are getting fewer and fewer each year. And the others? Well... they have hopefully gone on to their reward.
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I suspect that someone with a decent signal and little else to do with it could blow KAAM out of the water AND lower the median age group from 'Near-Deceased" to something with a pulse. Say 60 or so, with significant listenership from about age 50 and up. I know that national ad agencies aren’t interested, but that’s not who you sell it to.

Since 70 is now the “new 50,” it could work. I know lots of people in their 60-70's who ride motorcycles, play with collector cars, buy boats and big RV’s, take expensive trips, and generally spend a lot of money. The early baby boom generation refuses to go down easily. Many of them would like their will to say “Being of sound mind, I spent it.” I know that is my attitude. It may not be radio, but somebody is going to make some money from this age group that has traditionally been ignored.
 
Steve Eberhart said:
Mike, the industry has changed. One either adapts and remains in it - or refuses to adapt and finds themselves out of it.
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Spoken like a corporate guy. The only complaint I have with your statement is that good people who are willing to adapt or even take pay cuts to stay, aren't given that opportunity.

Cuts and consolidation have to happen- but these radio companies have now taken it too far. The product is suffering- and the community isn't being served anymore.
 
And, their lack of concern for a decent product means that even little operators have less people even bothering to listen to radio at all because they are overall discusted with the substandard product called radio. That's the real shame of it all. The public has and will continue to seek other sources of entertainment to replace radio thanks to big companies poor attempt to entertain them.
 
Steve....you are correct in that we must all be able and willing to adapt in order to survive in this crazy-ass business. But Idiggraves is absolutely right. A lot of good, experienced people have been handed pink slips recently. Opportunities are dwindling daily. Point is, if you have a paycheck today, be grateful. If you are unemployed, good luck.

Jason Walker
 
Anybody noticed what The Wolf is doing? I do, I think The Wolf is going to shift to an older audience playing songs from the 90's to now like their sister station WSM-FM (Nashville) while KSCS is sticking to the younger audience playing the new country songs.
 
I wonder why they would not do the older audience with KSCS since "The Wolf" is doing fine with what they are doing. I think the older audience would do better with KSCS since Dorsey is still there. Just a thought. If "The Wolf" is working and is the in the top 10 , don't mess with it.
 
radioaircheck said:
I wonder why they would not do the older audience with KSCS since "The Wolf" is doing fine with what they are doing. I think the older audience would do better with KSCS since Dorsey is still there. Just a thought. If "The Wolf" is working and is the in the top 10 , don't mess with it.
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I just heard KPLX playing "Forever & Ever Amen" by Randy Travis, I haven't heard that song on here in a long while.
 
Too bad Graci didn't get a chance to really show it or prove it. Inheriting the #4 station in the Cumulus cluster at a time of management not wanting to commit to any change "until the merger" he and everybody there probably spent a lot of time making do with what they had...only to see the plug pulled.
Everything from contracts in place to managers on hold make for a difficult time to be creative.
Maybe now KLIF can. Maybe.
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Jim, is that you?

Funny, but no I'm not Jim. I'm sure he's done and bummed by the Dallas experience. But a friend knows him and when he arrived had some plans, inherited some problems, and was working with what he had til the merger settled. Like many of us, if he knew then what he knows now he'd never have bothered to try. KLIF has some talent with bad habits and hard heads to try and reinvent.
 
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