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Channel 1023 now "The River"

Re: what he meant

> Not sure how long you have been living in Austin, but it is
> apparent that you are not that familiar with it. You don't
> need a demographics study to see how liberal most of the
> population is compared to other cities here in Texas.
> Having lived there before, I resent your assertion that
> Austin is “the heart of the bible belt”. Austin is a liberal
> and deep thinking city that happens to be located in a very
> conservative state. That’s not to say that Austinites
> aren’t faithful. Also, you have your pockets of
> conservative Christians in the central city. Even those
> conservatives are quite liberal compared to other
> conservative Texans and are somewhat tolerant of others who
> may not fall in line with their beliefs.

Ethan is a friend of mine, and this liberal/conservative thing is something we've never seen eye-to-eye on. He spent a substantial part of his life in California, which has become one of the most liberal places in the US. Anything more conservative than California and Massachusetts is conservative to him. I happen to disagree with his liberal/conservative definition having grown up in, mostly, Texas and Oklahoma with a couple of stops in New Mexico and Arizona along the way.

However, regardless of what people consider to be liberal or conservative, it doesn't really mean much when it comes to predicting the success of a contemporary Christian station. As an example, Nashville has a pretty good chunk of the contemporary Christian industry. However, AMFM/Clear Channel tried it on WZTO 101.1 a few years ago. It had sub-par ratings at best. CCM fans blamed it on a rimshot signal that was marginal in much of the market. However, the format was more marginal than the signal. Since dumping CCM for urban, 101.1 in Nashville has been number one 12+ several times and is always in the top-5. However, in Atlanta, if you add the 12+ shares of the two CCM stations, they would actually have beaten the top AC twice in the last year. The two markets are relatively similar to one another, but CCM succeeds in one and failed (and a new incarnation is struggling at about the same levels as WZTO) in the other. My point? It goes back to what one of my old PD's once said to me, "It's the quality, Stupid!" If Clear Channel puts a quality product on The River, it will succeed. Contemporary Christian stations, in general, target 25-54 females just like AC stations, and 80% of Americans classify themselves as belonging to some denomination of Christianity whether or not they attend church regularly. Even Salem stated they expect their "Fish" stations to appeal to 25-54 family women who don't put going to church at the top of their priorities. So, it's not a liberal/conservative issue.
 
Re: what he meant

Kent,

I agree... It is not a conservative/liberal issue whether The River will fit in the Austin market. Ethan was trying to make that argument...

I took issue with his assertion that Austin was a stereotypical southern conservative/religious town.

I have always said that while I consider myself a liberal Texan, I would be thought of as being conservative if I moved out west.

KPEZ will do ok if they image themselves a “positive alternative” without getting too evangelistic…
 
conservative versus liberal

Yeah, my boy Kent and I dont always share the liberal/conservative spectrum! Anyways, I do feel many parts of this country are liberal. A good chunk of the west coast including coastal CA, OR, WA--I think MA and a good chunk of NY are also fairly liberal. I would probably throw in parts of MD and VT in there as well.

The central core Austin is a liberal area by Texas standards. However, my opinion is somewhat skewed because of the horrendously conservative state of Texas. Austin is somewhat of a liberal island by most standards..but it doesn't take long getting out of the city until the cousin thumping, hillbilly lifestyle takes full hold.

I really don't feel that with several other Christian stations in the austin area (KNLE, KQJZ, etc) there is any need for another one. Correct me if im wrong Kent, but with the exception of Dallas (KLTY), I really don't think Christian stations ever pull in too much in the way of numbers. KC is a perfect example. I don't believe KCCV has EVER even made a 1 share, but its been around since before I even moved there in 2000. (that may not count because its sat. feed right?)

102.3 has an EXCELLENT signal covering all of metro austin well. I even think smooth jazz would be a better option. Rock or Oldies as well. Austin's rock and new rock choices are so subpar. CC has spoken here--it will be interesting to see what effect another christian station will have on the market.


> Kent,
>
> I agree... It is not a conservative/liberal issue whether
> The River will fit in the Austin market. Ethan was trying
> to make that argument...
>
> I took issue with his assertion that Austin was a
> stereotypical southern conservative/religious town.
>
> I have always said that while I consider myself a liberal
> Texan, I would be thought of as being conservative if I
> moved out west.
>
> KPEZ will do ok if they image themselves a “positive
> alternative” without getting too evangelistic…
>
 
Re: conservative versus liberal

> Yeah, my boy Kent and I dont always share the
> liberal/conservative spectrum! Anyways, I do feel many
> parts of this country are liberal. A good chunk of the west
> coast including coastal CA, OR, WA--I think MA and a good
> chunk of NY are also fairly liberal. I would probably throw
> in parts of MD and VT in there as well.
>
> The central core Austin is a liberal area by Texas
> standards. However, my opinion is somewhat skewed because
> of the horrendously conservative state of Texas. Austin is
> somewhat of a liberal island by most standards..but it
> doesn't take long getting out of the city until the cousin
> thumping, hillbilly lifestyle takes full hold.
>
> I really don't feel that with several other Christian
> stations in the austin area (KNLE, KQJZ, etc) there is any
> need for another one. Correct me if im wrong Kent, but with
> the exception of Dallas (KLTY), I really don't think
> Christian stations ever pull in too much in the way of
> numbers. KC is a perfect example. I don't believe KCCV has
> EVER even made a 1 share, but its been around since before I
> even moved there in 2000. (that may not count because its
> sat. feed right?)
>
> 102.3 has an EXCELLENT signal covering all of metro austin
> well. I even think smooth jazz would be a better option.
> Rock or Oldies as well. Austin's rock and new rock choices
> are so subpar. CC has spoken here--it will be interesting
> to see what effect another christian station will have on
> the market.

Ethan, why do you intentionally confuse conservative values with "cousin thumping" and hillbillies? Those thing aren't even close to being stereotypical. Do all liberals take a 4:20 bong hit? Are all liberals homosexuals? You are not being rational or reasonable, please try harder next time.

The majority of Christian stations do not pull big numbers. Christian talk stations don't usually get more than a 2 even in the most conservative of markets. In most other markets it is often under a 1 share. There is one exception to this trend which is WDAC in Lancaster, PA. In 12+ they are number 2 in the market and do exceptionally well in neighboring York and Harrisburg-Lebanon-Carlisle markets.

Christian music is what brings ratings. You mentioned KLTY, they do very well and have for many years. KCMS (Seattle), WFSH (Atlanta), and KXOJ (Tulsa)are three commercial stations off the top of my head who do very well in the 12+ and even better in the breakdowns.

There are also a many non-commercial Christian stations which also do quite well. WPOZ in Orlando is in the top 5 of their market. KSBJ in Houston is also usually near the top.

KLVW which is a K-Love station in Odessa-Midland was number 1 12+ a couple of books back.

There is a huge market for Christian radio in America. All of the current stations in Austin are pretty pathetic attempts on marginal signals. KPEZ could change that, although I am still a skeptic.

HR
 
Re: conservative versus liberal

> I really don't feel that with several other Christian
> stations in the austin area (KNLE, KQJZ, etc) there is any
> need for another one.

Clear Channel apparently feels differently. We'll have to wait to find out who's right. If the market can't support another CCM station, one will go away. I haven't seen ratings for KNLE for quite some time because the RRC doesn't provide them at this time, but I seem to remember they used to have average to below average showings in the past.

> Correct me if im wrong Kent, but with
> the exception of Dallas (KLTY), I really don't think
> Christian stations ever pull in too much in the way of
> numbers. KC is a perfect example. I don't believe KCCV has
> EVER even made a 1 share, but its been around since before I
> even moved there in 2000. (that may not count because its
> sat. feed right?)

Comparing KLTY to KCCV is like comparing KVET 98.1 to KLBJ 590 simply because both are secular. Both KLTY and KCCV may be Christian, but one is music while the other is talk. Music and talk are completely different birds. Christian talk normally does not get very good ratings, but ratings don't matter much if you run that format. Those stations are actually HUGE billers because preachers pay for their airtime in advance, which makes selling advertisements unnecessary and what little they get, even if it's $1 a pop, just adds to the bottom line. As another poster mentioned, plenty of CCM stations do very well. It goes back to the fact that good programming works and bad programming doesn't. As he mentioned, even Seattle, which you say you would consider liberal, has a very successful CCM station in KCMS.
 
> > > All Christmas music through the holidays, then 'Positive
>
> > > Music for the whole family' (according to the old
> > website).
> > > Smokescreen? Who knows... guess Bob-FM and KLBJ finally
>
> > put
> > > the nail into that coffin.
> > >
> > Let's all hope it's just a smokescreen. That format would
> be
> > a terrible waste of such a great local signal. But then
> > again, that's C.C. for you.
> >
>
> I am so tired of hearing people like "rockhard" (and there
> are many others) say that a station x or y is a "waste" just
> because they don't personally care for the format. Your
> taste are not shared by every other human.
>
> Your hubris makes me physically ill.
>
> HR
>

Do you think I care what you think. No, I don't. It's an opinion and nothing more. If you were intelligent you would know that already. Yes 101X sucks and needs a massive overhaul. Active rock would be a great fit for Austin (in my opinion).
 
Re: conservative versus liberal

> Ethan, why do you intentionally confuse conservative values
> with "cousin thumping" and hillbillies? Those thing aren't
> even close to being stereotypical. Do all liberals take a
> 4:20 bong hit? Are all liberals homosexuals? You are not
> being rational or reasonable, please try harder next time.

My sentiments exactly, HR!

Labeling those who have opposing political ideologies (conservatives in this discussion thread) as "cousin thumping", "hillbillies", Bible beaters and whatever other ignorant, offensive and narrow-minded adjectives really illustrates the lack of tolerance from the left. The left for decades have been the self-proclaimed tolerant ones in our society, while promoting Conservatives as evil, minority-hating, narrow-minded, intolerant, radical religious zealots. With statements from the left like those, where's the tolerance?

From this entire discussion thread, there seems to be a sense of fear from some concerning KPEZ's impending switch to a Cont. Christian format. Why? What's the fear? Are some afraid that a positive music format that doesn't praise (no pun intended) gangstas, degrade women, call for violence against the police and make you want to go to the Gun and Knife Show and pick up a 9mm might have a negative impact on the community?

No one seems to be concerned with the "music" played on Hot and the Beat, but how dare someone even consider programming a Christian format. Maybe the fear is that all Heaven will break loose.
 
I did not say that Austin was the only one. But most cities would think that is crazy. My point is that Austin is liberal.

> > Here is the truth:
> >
> > "Keep Austin Weird."
> >
> > How many cities would embrace that statement to the point
> of
> > putting it on bus transfers?
>
> Several other cities across the US, apparently.
>
> http://www.keeplouisvilleweird.com/
> http://www.keepportlandweird.com/
> http://www.keepamarilloweird.com/
http://booksense> -stores.booksense.com/images/nonbooks/01/00/FCNB14020001.JPG
>
>
> Honestly, Austin was never that weird to begin with. It
> just seemed that way compared to Dallas or San Antonio. ;)
>
> Apparently, Amarillo did, too.
>
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Re: what he meant

A friend of mine at church listened to The River and does not think that Rudolph The Red Nosed Reindeer is too evangelistic. She complained about their secular Christmas music. By the way, she lives in San Marcos and never lived in Austin, but works here.

> KPEZ will do ok if they image themselves a “positive
> alternative” without getting too evangelistic…
>
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Re: conservative versus liberal

For a map, check out those few states that are colored blue from the last presidential election. A few of the blue states were by a narrow margin and you may want to discount them. The clearly blue are the spots that you have mind. If Texas was colored by county, Travis would be one of a few blue counties in a state full of red counties.



> Yeah, my boy Kent and I dont always share the
> liberal/conservative spectrum! Anyways, I do feel many
> parts of this country are liberal. A good chunk of the west
> coast including coastal CA, OR, WA--I think MA and a good
> chunk of NY are also fairly liberal. I would probably throw
> in parts of MD and VT in there as well.
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Re: what he meant

> A friend of mine at church listened to The River and does
> not think that Rudolph The Red Nosed Reindeer is too
> evangelistic. She complained about their secular Christmas
> music. By the way, she lives in San Marcos and never lived
> in Austin, but works here.

Christmas music is not going to be the format after 12-25. Check back in January.
 
> Does this mean that Austin is not a "World Class" (music)
> city anymore? I remember those lectures from last year on
> Channel 102.3.
>
> Rest In Peace-Channel 102.3-Austin's World Class Radio
> Station
> Let us not forget Z-102, "Austin's only Classic Rock
> station," either.
>
> If anyone wants to mourn, I have airchecks from both
> formats.
>
> >
> > Austin, Texas, December 16, 2005 –[KPEZ] today announced
> the
> > launch of Austin’s first contemporary Christian station on
>
> > the FM frequency, “The New 102.3 The River.” The River
> began
> > flowing at noon with continuous Christmas music to air
> > through Christmas Day. On December 26, The River will
> > provide positive music and family safe entertainment with
> > songs that inspire from artists such as Steven Curtis
> > Chapman, Newsboys, Jars of Clay, and Mercy Me.
> >
> > “We are thrilled to bring this unique blend of positive
> > entertainment to Austin and plan to reflect the needs and
> > wants of our community,” said Mac Daniels, Regional Vice
> > President of Programming for Clear Channel Austin. “The
> > Austin community deserves a station where the spirit will
> be
> > celebrated year round and the reason for the holiday
> season
> > will flow throughout the year on The River. Contemporary
> > Christian music is one of the fastest growing music genres
>
> > in the country. People are hungry for music that’s
> > encouraging and uplifting—and that is safe for their
> entire
> > family.” Live talent is expected on The New 102.3 The
> River
> > in January.
> >
> >
> >
> > “Good radio is built on a foundation of
> serving
> > listeners and the community,” said Dusty Black, Regional
> > Vice President for Clear Channel Southwest. “Our goal at
> > 102.3 The River is to serve our listeners with
> entertainment
> > that truly relates to all facets of their life, from their
>
> > family life to their spiritual walk. If you have ever
> > searched the dial for music that picks you up and makes
> you
> > feel good—or music that really speaks to your life, you’re
>
> > going to enjoy 102.3 The River.”
> >
>


I personally just don't think it will work here in Austin... That is just my opinion.
 
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