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Channel 6 observation

I listen to the radio most of the day at work. I've noticed that all promotions for WPVI are for 6-ABC except Action News. It is still the Channel 6 Acion News. There is no 6-ABC Action News. The rest of the day, there is no Channel 6. It is 6-ABC.

Channel 10 has NBC-10 News and over at KYW, they now have the CBS-3 Eyewitness News.
 
Yeah, it been that way for a while now. They first started the 6abc ID in 1997 I believe. At first channel 6 was dropped all together. They even updated the closing for action news (From 6abc, this has been Action News...), but apparently people complained (I think moreso about the music change), so Action news, and Action news programs became Ch6 again, while the rest of the day stayed 6abc. It also worth noting that even on Action News, whenever the anchor is promoting a program other then Antion news, they will say 6ABC. Also not too many stations have the channel, followed by the network. Why 6ABC, and not ABC6?

BTW, I hate the whole network branding of local stations (thanks FOX).

> I listen to the radio most of the day at work. I've noticed
> that all promotions for WPVI are for 6-ABC except Action
> News. It is still the Channel 6 Acion News. There is no
> 6-ABC Action News. The rest of the day, there is no Channel
> 6. It is 6-ABC.
>
> Channel 10 has NBC-10 News and over at KYW, they now have
> the CBS-3 Eyewitness News.
>
 
> BTW, I hate the whole network branding of local stations
> (thanks FOX).
>

Correct me if I'm in error, but, isn't WPVI an ABC Network O&O (owned & operated) TV station? If so, that sobriquet is right on the money, no?
 
> > BTW, I hate the whole network branding of local stations
> > (thanks FOX).
> >
>
> Correct me if I'm in error, but, isn't WPVI an ABC Network
> O&O (owned & operated) TV station? If so, that sobriquet is
> right on the money, no?

Yes it is. And "6 ABC" sounds quite odd and abnormal, as it should be "ABC 6" instead.
Now, for what it is worth, WABC is Channel 7 Eyewitness News, but when its time for Oprah its ABC 7, but in the promo/ID for "New York's Most Watched Station" its Channel 7. So you guys have it a bit better than those of us who watch ABC 7 or is it Channel 7. . .<P ID="signature">______________
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> Yes it is. And "6 ABC" sounds quite odd and abnormal, as it
> should be "ABC 6" instead.

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> > Yes it is. And "6 ABC" sounds quite odd and abnormal, as
> > it should be "ABC 6" instead.
>
> However, you definitely remember the 6 ABC, don't you?

Yes, because it was so abnormal. No idea when, though.<P ID="signature">______________
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> ..."6 ABC" sounds quite odd and abnormal, as it
> should be "ABC 6" instead.

ABC tends to put "ABC" before or after the channel rather interchangably. For example -- ABC owns two ch.13s: KTRK in Houston (WPVI's sister station since the early-1970s) and WTVG Toledo; both have similar logos (though KTRK's was done in a Texas flag motif). As for how they're named, KTRK is "ABC 13" while WTVG is "13 ABC".

Personally, I prefer the network name before the channel rather than after it -- it flows more easily than the other way.

Though if I had my way, I'd precede channel numbers with "channel" or "TV", rather than the network they're affiliated with.
 
You are in error. WPVI is owned by The ABC Television Stations Group. It and the ABC Network (among others) are Disney subsidiaries. The network does own or operate the station.

WPVI was never an ABC O&O. Channel 6, WFIL-TV was originally "The Philadelphia Inquirer Station" and was acquired by Capital Cities Broadcasting 17 years before Cap Cities acquired ABC, Inc. If anything, WPVI and other Cap Cities stations owned and operated ABC.

>
> Correct me if I'm in error, but, isn't WPVI an ABC Network
> O&O (owned & operated) TV station? If so, that sobriquet is
> right on the money, no?
>
 
> You are in error. WPVI is owned by The ABC Television
> Stations Group. It and the ABC Network (among others) are
> Disney subsidiaries. The network does own or operate the
> station.
>
> WPVI was never an ABC O&O. Channel 6, WFIL-TV was
> originally "The Philadelphia Inquirer Station" and was
> acquired by Capital Cities Broadcasting 17 years before Cap
> Cities acquired ABC, Inc. If anything, WPVI and other Cap
> Cities stations owned and operated ABC.

Nitpicking at an extreme level.

While the license is indeed held by a separate subsidiary of Disney from the network, that's pretty standard legal practice everywhere these days.

As a practical matter, WPVI (and KYW, WTXF and WCAU) are all bound just as tightly to their network management as the old-line O&Os once were, and they're considered O&Os by everyone in the industry.<P ID="signature">______________
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> While the license is indeed held by a separate subsidiary of
> Disney from the network, that's pretty standard legal
> practice everywhere these days.

For the most part this is true, even WABC falls into this boat.
And most of the NBC owned stations and have copyrights like "© 2005 NBC Subsidiary (KNBC-TV), Inc." or something like that. WNBC, however uses something "© 2005 NBC Universal, Inc." which is seen on NBC News programs.
CBS, seems to split it between CBS Broadcasting and CBS Worldwide, one is for the ex-Group-W and one is for the original o&os like WCBS and KCBS. I can't recall which is used for which.

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More observations

Et tu, Fybush? As one who enjoys your column each Monday, I am surprised you would condone such sloppy use of a broadcasting term with a very specific meaning. The specific meaning of the phrase "O&O" does not accurately reflect the relationship today between a station like WPVI and the management of the ABC television network.

The managements of these local stations are not bound "just as tightly" to network management as old line O&O's. Station managers do not report to network managers and they are not accountable to network managers.

"O&O" is not redundant. The phrase came into use in the National Broadcasting Company. (Stations owned Mutual, not the other way around. CBS was slower to acquire stations.) NBC was the broadcast subsidiary of the Radio Corporation of America. RCA was a patent trust owned by AT&T, GE and Westinghouse. GE and Westinghouse both had their own radio stations. AT&T withdrew from the broadcasting end of the trust and turned its stations over to RCA. NBC was set up to feed programs from the New York stations to the other RCA, GE and Westinghouse stations plus a group of "independent affiliated stations." On the network maps, RCA stations were designated "owned and operated." NBC also operated the stations licensed to GE and Westinghouse (designated "operated stations"). The two NBC "affiliates" were co-owned in many markets and operated as a duopoly (Philly was an exception). In a couple of cases, RCA/GE/Westinghouse had a license for one "affiliate" but the station was operated by the local owner of the other affiliate (an "owned" station - but not operated). (This what happens when an undergraduate gets stack priviledges in the university library, and the library has Broadcasting and Broadcasting Yearbook back to issue 1).

Into the 1960's, the network did manage their owned stations, and local managers reported to network managers. In the production centers, local stations were often a network of one. The "network" had one production center and distributed programs to different loops on the network, to outside broadcasters (like the CBC or regional networks), or to the local station. Same facility; same people. Master control pushed a button and sent a program from a given studio to the network, the West coast, to the local station transmitter (or someplace else).

In Philadelphia in the late 50's and early 60's (Philadelphia only had indpendent affiliated stations prior to that), the local newscasts on WRCV-TV and WCAU-TV were produced by their respective network news divisions. Local owned stations followed network business, advertising and programming standards policies. In the mid-60's, former WCAU General Manager (he had also held the title CBS Vice President while at WCAU) Jack Schneider as CBS president re-organized CBS, Inc setting up the station group. By that time, the broadcast corporations had realized the stations were the more profitable part of the enterprise and this move was designed to allow local stations to be even more profitable. The ABC and NBC followed suit. Free of "network" control, owned stations, for example, could put more commercials in the newscasts and follow looser standards on what commercials would be accepted. This reorganization provided the inspiration for one of the sub-plots 10 years later in the movie "Network." William Holden resigns in protest when his network news division is stripped of responsiblity for local TV news, for radio network news or for local radio news, which is part of what happened in the CBS, Inc. re-organization.

Bottom line: WPVI is a profit center and local management is responsible to management of the stations group; not to the network. The relationship might best be described as "co-owned affiliated station." This is not nit-picking. Some appear to assume that WPVI management will act in the interests of network management. That is not their job. Their first concern is the profitability of their station. Profitability of the network (or Disney movies, theme parks or any other corporate division) is secondary. In much the same way, the ABC television network buys programs from Fox, Warners (WB), Paramount (CBS/UPN) or Universal (NBC) and sometimes turns down programs produced by Disney/Touchstone. Disney/Touchstone, in turn, offers programs to other networks. What you have is a "silo" corporate structure; each division or subsidiary is a separate silo in a group of silos. Each is a profit center. Each profit center is responsible for its own profitability.

And not "everyone" in broadcasting misuses the term "O&O." although many do. The term is an anachronism in today's corporate structure but it does sound impressive. And using the network "brand" on local stations is good marketing (which is why many affiliates owned by other companies follow the practice). At the same time, many stations are dropping their news brands: Eyewitness, Action, Newscenter, etc and using just the network brand plus channel number across the board. Next: Look for channel numbers to be phased out in the transition to HDTV.
 
Oh I see. ABC has a Ch 6 in Rhode Island, which indeed goes by the name ABC-6. So I assume they took on the network branding before WPVI did? Which is why WPVI is 6-ABC, and not ABC-6?

> ABC tends to put "ABC" before or after the channel rather
> interchangably. For example -- ABC owns two ch.13s: KTRK in
> Houston (WPVI's sister station since the early-1970s) and
> WTVG Toledo; both have similar logos (though KTRK's was done
> in a Texas flag motif). As for how they're named, KTRK is
> "ABC 13" while WTVG is "13 ABC".
>
>
 
Re: More observations

Your points are solid ones, and you know your history. Extra points for correctly identifying the "operated but not owned" status of stations like WBZ, WGY, KOA and KGO within the NBC network structure in the thirties and forties. It bears noting that Westinghouse and GE were separated from RCA fairly early in the game, and that the subsequent NBC operation of Westinghouse and GE stations was a purely contractual matter, with lease agreements that were virtually identical to a modern-day LMA. (CBS played that game, to a far smaller extent, by operating stations like WCCO in the thirties.)

You're correct, as well, in identifying the changed nature of the relationship between station groups and the networks with which they're co-owned these days.

It's important to note, though, that those changes have been in the works for decades in some networks. Look at the ABC radio stations as early as 1960, when WLS and WABC were set free from network management and quickly became profit centers in their own rights, answerable not to the ABC radio network but to the very top level of ABC management. WABC radio, in particular, was just about the only profitable part of the company for some years in the early sixties, which bought it a tremendous amount of autonomy. That was forty years ago. (Today, of course, the ABC radio stations are so autonomous that they're up for sale. That's another matter altogether.)

That sort of autonomy from the network structure has spread, as you correctly note, to the other networks. To an extent, that was inevitable. It was one thing for the network news operation to also run the New York local news operation in the days when the New York local news was 15 minutes long at 6:45 and 11. That would be impossible today, when each New York station alone puts out four or five hours of local news today, with as much or more being produced at each of 18 or 20 sister stations around the country. There's no way the old centralized management structure could handle today's local operations.

That said, though, there remains a distinct difference between the station groups that are co-owned with networks and the ones that aren't. I know. I was working at WBZ when it moved from Westinghouse to CBS in the mid-nineties.

Yes, the management structure at WBZ-TV doesn't report directly to the network in the way that WCBS-TV or WCAU-TV once did, but the network still exerts influence. WBZ was once one of the biggest pre-empters of NBC network programming. Under "CBS Broadcasting," or whatever name's on the license this week, WBZ can't pre-empt. I'm pretty sure WBZ's local management would prefer not to be "CBS4," either, or to do interminable "Survivor" and "CSI" tie-ins on the late news, but that's out of their hands as well.

Even on the radio side, which is more autonomous from the network than the TV stations are, there were certain non-negotiables. WBZ radio had been the big ABC Information affiliate in New England. It still clears some ABC inventory to get Paul Harvey, but the hourly newscasts overnight and the special reports and network audio during the day now come from CBS. The WSJ business reports became CBS Marketwatch. A 60 Minutes simulcast showed up Sunday nights. These were not local decisions, nor were they decisions an autonomous group owner would have made. They were dictated at the network level.

My point is this: the relationship between "O&O" stations and networks has changed, just as the rest of the business has changed. As the size of the station groups has grown, it's inevitable that the stations will carry more weight vis a vis the networks - after all, almost by definition in today's regulatory environment, those station groups are responsible for the most important 25% (or more) of the network's distribution. That said, they are not as autonomous as you'd make them out to be. No matter how strongly the management of WPVI might believe that the station's ratings or revenues might benefit by pre-empting a network offering, it won't happen. (Look, for instance, at the number of ABC affiliates in reasonably large markets that don't run Nightline at 11:35. They have sound economic reasons for doing that. WPVI probably would as well, but it's simply not an option.)

The NBC stations, in particular, are especially tightly bound to the network. WCAU was never operated, in a literal sense, from New York when CBS owned it. Today, its master control is quite literally at 30 Rock, in a room down the hall from NBC network master control on the second floor, right alongside WVIT, WNBC, WRC, WCMH and so on. And with Roger Ailes taking command of the Fox stations' local news operations, we're about to see a level of network control of local stations' news that hasn't been seen in decades - and this at a network that doesn't even really have a "network" news operation in the traditional sense of the term.

You may consider it to be misused in a historical context, but "O&O" is still the term of art in the TV industry for stations like WABC-TV - or WPVI. There is, in any event, no useful distinction that can be drawn between those two stations and their relationship to the ABC network. They are, for all practical purposes by 2005 standards, O&Os, anachronistic as the term may be.

If the term is disappearing anywhere, it's in radio. As it stands, there are only two "traditional" networks that have co-owned stations, and that will soon be down to one with the sale of the ABC Radio stations. CBS Radio is really just one programming arm of Westwood One these days, and there are only a handful of Infinity radio stations, under a common corporate umbrella, that behave anything like the old O&Os did. I would agree with you that within a few years, the concept of a radio O&O will be obsolete. I don't see it going anywhere in TV.<P ID="signature">______________
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Re: Still More observations

Thanks.

Yes, when you get to the top of the various division-silos, you have corporate, to whom both stations and the network report. And sometimes, corporate may have one division or the other give way to further what's seen as the best interests of the corporation.

But I would also say that, in general, local stations overall are pre-empting the network feed less frequently today. This has more to do with the changed economics of the business. In the past, large group owners like Group W (Storer also comes to mind) could enhance station profitability by judiciously pre-empting the network, and by opting out of weaker performing network shows entirely. It's my observation that independent affiliates (as well as "co-owned affiliates") do a lot less pre-empting now. Independent affiliates also now tie themselves more closely to the network brand than in the past.

What's changed?
<ul>
[*]Often network pre-emptions were for news or public affairs specials. FCC brownie points are less of an issue now.
[*]Less syndicated product is available to replace network programming.
[*]In a world of only three channels, an affiliate could stick an off-network re-run in the schedule to replace a weak network show. Now, the networks are quicker to pull weak shows. And in a world of over 100 channels available, a re-run is less likely to work for a network affiliate.
[*]Outside of news, stations don't do much local production any more. Stations used to drop out of the network for local jock-talk, local game shows, even local courtroom re-enactment shows (all could be done fairly cheaply and draw an audience).
[/list]

The competitive bar has been raised (along with local ad rates in prime time). Now it is more profitable to stay with the network.
 
Re: More observations

That is misleading: WPVI as a profit center, and not responsible to the network. That is more misleading than the original statement of WPVI as an ABC O&O.

Network pressure and network decision making trumps local decision making at WPVI. It isn't merely a co-owned affiliated station, as decisions for the stations are made up at the top of the corporate ladder, Disney, which owns only one broadcast network ABC. The network or its parent company, Disney, is largely responsible for WPVI, as they program most of its schedule including syndicated programming, handle retrans with the cable and satellite operators, and most other aspects of the station.

WPVI had to scale back on local profitable programming, because of network pressure from ABC in NY.

AM Live, which aired during the 90s, was the most-watched program at 10AM. However, the launch of The View sealed AM Live's fate. The network wanted The View to have daytime exposure in Philadelphia. It was driven from decision up (New York, whether you say ABC Network or Disney), to cut back the local but profitable AM Live program, to move Rosie O'Donnell to 10AM, and air The View live at 11AM. Wally Kennedy was given a show 'Philly After Midnight', but network pressure to put the Bill Maher show on WPVI, cancelled that show.

Allbritton, more specifically its flagship WJLA 7, on the other hand, choses against airing Wayne Brady, now Tony Danza, produced by Buena Vista, an arm of Disney. They felt Jane Pauley, now Martha, would be a better choice for the station. The local management at WPVI doesn't have the same choice; their choice of program for the 10AM timeslot is not up to them anymore, but by the network. And, Regis & Kelly switch from CH.10 to CH.6, was again a move/decision by an up at Disney, not the local WPVI. Including Tony Danza or his replacement, and Who Wants to be A Millionaire, all programs by a Disney's Buena Vista, will stay put on WPVI.

A lot of ABC stations didn't air Port Charles in the last years in daytime, not too long ago. Not the Disney owned ones. They didn't have the choice. WPVI is O&O, maybe if you nit-pick, Disney O&O.

.
>
> Bottom line: WPVI is a profit center and local management is
> responsible to management of the stations group; not to the
> network. The relationship might best be described as
> "co-owned affiliated station." This is not nit-picking.
> Some appear to assume that WPVI management will act in the
> interests of network management. That is not their job.
> Their first concern is the profitability of their station.
> Profitability of the network (or Disney movies, theme parks
> or any other corporate division) is secondary. In much the
> same way, the ABC television network buys programs from Fox,
> Warners (WB), Paramount (CBS/UPN) or Universal (NBC) and
> sometimes turns down programs produced by Disney/Touchstone.
> Disney/Touchstone, in turn, offers programs to other
> networks. What you have is a "silo" corporate structure;
> each division or subsidiary is a separate silo in a group of
> silos. Each is a profit center. Each profit center is
> responsible for its own profitability.
>
> And not "everyone" in broadcasting misuses the term "O&O."
> although many do. The term is an anachronism in today's
> corporate structure but it does sound impressive. And using
> the network "brand" on local stations is good marketing
> (which is why many affiliates owned by other companies
> follow the practice). At the same time, many stations are
> dropping their news brands: Eyewitness, Action, Newscenter,
> etc and using just the network brand plus channel number
> across the board. Next: Look for channel numbers to be
> phased out in the transition to HDTV.
>
 
Re: More observations

American stations, even when owned by the network, actually have a lot of autonomy compared to Canadian O&O network affiliates. The CBC exercises 100% control over all of its stations, and the stations are owned directly by the network - so they are true O&Os. CBC O&Os have absolutely no control, and they all air almost or completely identical schedules, with some minor local differences for news (and hockey games if you live in Ottawa). CBC had American-style network branding years before FOX came on the scene. Montreal's CBMT 6 was known as "CBC 6" as early as the mid-70s; CBKT 9/4 Regina/Moose Jaw was known as "CBC 9 & 4" in the early 80s; Toronto's CBLT 5 had a "CBC 5" logo in the 80s, and Ottawa's CBOT 4 had a "4 CBC" logo at the same time. CBC still has a handful of English and French affiliates not owned by the network, mostly in small markets where CBC/SRC, CTV, Global, CHUM, TVA, or TQS are unlikely to purchase a station. A number of them are American-style affiliates, still identifying channel number and call letters.

CTV and Global are really de facto networks, as they are ownership groups and not legally recognized as networks (although CTV does operate an American-style network of three separately-owned stations that air CTV programming, and a fourth station airs CTV national news programmes). In the United States, it would be like Metromedia still existing and directly owning independent stations in most major markets, and calling all the stations "Metromedia" or "MM". As for station autonomy, I don't believe stations owned by CTV or Global have much autonomy at all. Global-owned stations tend to act more like independent stations with a common name, as they have more variance in programming schedules and levels of local programming. CTV on the other hand uses a cookie-cutter approach, and there are virtually no differences between any of the stations. It used to be that Canadian television was just a carbon copy of American television, as there were two English and two French networks, with a limited number of O&Os and stations being identified by call letters and channel numbers. Today it looks much more like England.<P ID="signature">______________
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> Oh I see. ABC has a Ch 6 in Rhode Island, which indeed goes
> by the name ABC-6.

Though I believe that station (WLNE) is not ABC-owned -- Freedom owns it, I believe.

Stations not owned by the nerwork can name their channel any way they want.
 
Re: More observations

> The CBC exercises 100% control over all of its
> stations, and the stations are owned directly by the network
> - so they are true O&Os.

I think there used to be some variations of the schedules from station-to-station, but in light of budget cots over the last several years, the CBC felt it was economical to give the stations the exact same schedule -- exceptions being ads, the local half of "Canada Now", and, of course, hockey. Time zones and private stations aside, CBET ch.9 in Windsor, ON (across the river from Detroit) is the only one that generally has a different schedule, due to the few American shows and movies that are on CBC (including Disney and reruns of "The Simpsons").

During the past year, the CBC expressed a desire to increase more local news and programming, among other things. The only trouble, though, is that there's no money to make it come true, especially since the recent Canadian federal budget provided no new funding for the CBC.

http://www.morecbc.ca/ explains the problem more in detail.

> Today it looks much more like England.
>
Agreed -- today's CBC is analogous to Britain's BBC, but with commercials on TV, and no TV licenses. CTV and Global are both analogous to ITV, though ITV's homoginisation of their TV companies didn't begin until a couple of years after CTV and Global began theirs.

Of course, CTV and ITV both have a lot in common -- both were originally cooperatives for independently-owned TV stations. Now, they're both corporations that have a substantial lock on their affiliates, which are almost all owned by the network itself.
 
> CBS, seems to split it between CBS Broadcasting and CBS
> Worldwide, one is for the ex-Group-W and one is for the
> original o&os like WCBS and KCBS. I can't recall which is
> used for which.
>
Though I wonder how it's going to be, once CBS and its stations are spun off from Viacom.
 
> > Yes it is. And "6 ABC" sounds quite odd and abnormal, as
> it
> > should be "ABC 6" instead.
>
> However, you definitely remember the 6 ABC, don't you?
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I can only think of one other station across the country that puts the channel number before the network name. Detroit's CBS O&O, WWJ-TV 62, was known as "62 CBS" from 1995-2002, and the logo had the '62' to the left of the CBS eye. Now they're known as "CBS Detroit".<P ID="signature">______________
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