Cindy Skull and Robert Miguel ???Fired?? P&K takeover???

[whatever people]

okay smart people, then define classic rock.....but before you answer, are you under 40?....are you in radio?....have you ever worked in the music industry? if you say "yes" to any of those questions, radio stations could care less what you think....i'm just sayin

 

[Dndsh237]

okay smart people, then define classic rock.....but before you answer, are you under 40?....are you in radio?....have you ever worked in the music industry? if you say "yes" to any of those questions, radio stations could care less what you think....i'm just sayin

Ummmm....

How does the answer to any of those questions, determine what radio stations think?

But OK I'll bite...

1. I am close to 40
2. yes and have been since the mid 1980's
3. no

Please explain why those answers define what radio statitons think. I am extremely curious here.

 

[P1RadioListener]

Bring back Wendy Nailer she could program some music

 

[little1]

okay smart people, then define classic rock.....but before you answer, are you under 40?....are you in radio?....have you ever worked in the music industry? if you say "yes" to any of those questions, radio stations could care less what you think....i'm just sayin

Ummmm....
How does the answer to any of those questions, determine what radio stations think?
But OK I'll bite...
1. I am close to 40
2. yes and have been since the mid 1980's
3. no
Please explain why those answers define what radio statitons think. I am extremely curious here.

I'll take a stab at it- odds are if you're under 40, you're not the CR target market. And if you work in radio, or the music industry, you probably don't accurately reflect the tastes of the 'average' listener.

For example, you, and Rover, and I may all be sick to death of Freebird, Stairway, Sweet Emotion, etc...Problem is the 'average' listener, who doesn't hear this stuff near as much as those of us in radio aren't necessrily sick to death of those songs.

So to cross-reference this to the Lonestar thread, bands like the Drive By truckers may have their fans, they may be 'critics' darlings- but if their popularity doesn't translate to the 'mass' market, it's ratings suicide to play them, especially in heavy rotation.

The other problem with defining classic rock is that every single person is going to have their idea of what bands, artists or songs should be included. Take the stones- do you play the early (Satisfaction, JJFlash, Paint it Black) material, do you play the mid 70's (Exile, Goat's Head, Black and Blue) the late 70's early 80's (Some Girls LP, waiting on a friend, start me up, etc) or do you even go mid to late 80's to 90's (undercover of the night, bridges to Babylon, etc)...

Play "Mother's Little Helper" and you're playing a song that's almost FORTY FIVE years old. If you're trying to attract a 45-50 year old listener, playing a song almost older than them might not be the best bet. But okay, that 50 year old was he into music early, and knows the early 70's stuff, or did he bloom late musically, and you'd be better off with Some Girls and Tattoo you...

And that's just the stones. It can probably be repeated for EVERY band or artist. Early beatles or solo Lennon and solo Mccartney? Allman Brothers with Duane, or later when it was greg's band? REO Speedwagen when they were a guitar band (157 riverside avenue, flying turkey trot) or when they wanted to keep on loving you and turned into power ballad wimps? Like I said, it's different for every person. But you (as a programmer) have got to try and program a format that is going to appeal to the MOST people.

 

[5515]

I think they should definitely hire P&K. What station doesn't want an hour of American Idol chat, an hour of America's next top model chat, an hour of a girl with numerous plastic surgery procedures talking down about how superficial the Dallas hip crowd is, and an hour of a guy whining about what he can and can't eat? Sounds like a winner to me.

Stern made a fortune with doody jokes and throwing bologna at strippers. What's your point?

Hmmm. Well, doody jokes and throwing bologna at strippers is probably appealing to most men 25-54. However, American Idol, America's next top model, and whiny griping about everything else probably isn't.

 

[Albert19X]

I think they should definitely hire P&K. What station doesn't want an hour of American Idol chat, an hour of America's next top model chat, an hour of a girl with numerous plastic surgery procedures talking down about how superficial the Dallas hip crowd is, and an hour of a guy whining about what he can and can't eat? Sounds like a winner to me.

Stern made a fortune with doody jokes and throwing bologna at strippers. What's your point?

Hmmm. Well, doody jokes and throwing bologna at strippers is probably appealing to most men 25-54. However, American Idol, America's next top model, and whiny griping about everything else probably isn't.

LOL. Most men 25-54? Then count me in the minority. Doody jokes lost their appeal before I got my first driver's license and the novelty of hearing naked chicks on the radio wore off very fast. It took a month or two, but I tired of the same old shtick from Stern and O&A. I'm an adult. Sex isn't the mysterious novelty it was when I was 12 so I don't get any titillation from hearing it discussed on the radio. Nor do get enjoyment listening to Stern/O&A humiliate their respective interns and WackPacks. I get tired of the perpetual tone of conservative political outrage emanating from the AM stations so that leaves a niche that P&K filled perfectly for me. They provided lifestyle talk with a dry, clever wit and without the preening pretentiousness of BDH or the wacky zoo crew mania of Jagger.

 

[Albert19X]

okay smart people, then define classic rock.....but before you answer, are you under 40?....are you in radio?....have you ever worked in the music industry? if you say "yes" to any of those questions, radio stations could care less what you think....i'm just sayin

Ok. I have crossed the 50 line and have never worked in radio or music, although I did tend bar in a blues club many years ago.

To answer your question there is no standard definition of Classic Rock. Rock has been around for more than 50 years. As little1 pointed out rock has been in a continual evolution since it pulled itself out of the blues pool all those years ago. And each decade's rock is distinctive from the others'. Personally, I have a great fondness for 60's and 70's rock, up to the advent of Corporate Rock. I hate the LA hair bands, the "Prince of Darkness" bands, the metrosexual synth bands, the teen angst grungers and the 50's white bread covers of "race music."

So my Classic Rock station would be heavy on Cream, Zeppelin, Jefferson Airplane, John Mayall, pre-Christine McVie Fleetwood Mac, and a ton of other bands and performers you may or may not have heard of. On top of that I would throw in massive doses of folk and pop and blues, plus some Big Band, early jazz and a smattering of classical. My station would closely resemble the early free form FM incarnation of KNUS before Gordon McClendon figured what to do with it. However, I could guarantee to my advertisers a certain audience of only one - myself.

 

[wilsonbl5150]

okay smart people, then define classic rock.....but before you answer, are you under 40?....are you in radio?....have you ever worked in the music industry? if you say "yes" to any of those questions, radio stations could care less what you think....i'm just sayin

WHen all else fails consult the Wiki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classic_Rock.

Also Yes, no,no and my Ipod has everything from Cream to Stevie Wonder to Metallica to REM. That's why I have a sat. radio.

 

[girlie]

What about P&K? will they show up somewhere in Dallas?

 

[TheRover]

okay smart people, then define classic rock.....but before you answer, are you under 40?....are you in radio?....have you ever worked in the music industry? if you say "yes" to any of those questions, radio stations could care less what you think....i'm just sayin

Ummmm....
How does the answer to any of those questions, determine what radio stations think?
But OK I'll bite...
1. I am close to 40
2. yes and have been since the mid 1980's
3. no
Please explain why those answers define what radio statitons think. I am extremely curious here.

I'll take a stab at it- odds are if you're under 40, you're not the CR target market. And if you work in radio, or the music industry, you probably don't accurately reflect the tastes of the 'average' listener.

For example, you, and Rover, and I may all be sick to death of Freebird, Stairway, Sweet Emotion, etc...Problem is the 'average' listener, who doesn't hear this stuff near as much as those of us in radio aren't necessrily sick to death of those songs.

The other problem with defining classic rock is that every single person is going to have their idea of what bands, artists or songs should be included. Take the stones- do you play the early (Satisfaction, JJFlash, Paint it Black) material, do you play the mid 70's (Exile, Goat's Head, Black and Blue) the late 70's early 80's (Some Girls LP, waiting on a friend, start me up, etc) or do you even go mid to late 80's to 90's (undercover of the night, bridges to Babylon, etc)...

Play "Mother's Little Helper" and you're playing a song that's almost FORTY FIVE years old. If you're trying to attract a 45-50 year old listener, playing a song almost older than them might not be the best bet. But okay, that 50 year old was he into music early, and knows the early 70's stuff, or did he bloom late musically, and you'd be better off with Some Girls and Tattoo you...


But you (as a programmer) have got to try and program a format that is going to appeal to the MOST people.

Okay, Little1, I just would ask, Why can't we pick songs by these already establish Classic Rock bands, that would both satisy the older, and the newer fans of these bands, and at the same time, would not offend the older fans, who have heard certain songs too many times already.

I mean, are there not Many lesser played songs, that are of worth, that would both allow the younger, and, the older fans, to Rock Out ?

In your Stones example, I would pass on Miss You, and I would pass on Midnight Rambler..... But, would not fans of classic rock of all ages be satisfied to hear the Stones "Rock And A Hard Place" ? ? ? Wouldn't that satisy both, and offend none (or little??).

There are many songs like that, by MANY bands, that can be played that should have old and new fans Rockin'.

I'm jsy proposing that there is music that can satisfy both, old and new, or, average fans of Classic Rock Bands.

 

[TheRover]

Times have changed...this ain't the early 70's. Dallas can't support a "commercial" AAA....much less a "deep, cool, groovy AOR". I got better service at Western Auto in 1976, but I have to go to Wal Mart now for most things. Times change. Get over it.

Sorry to hear that jphnqdoe.... I get great service from the guys at the local Midas Muffler shop ( they do other things besided Mufflers... like Brakes....etc.)

BTY, times may have changed, but people still the groovy music of the 70's.

And lots of young people could and would relate to it, if there was only a chance for big radio to stick to a deep, cool, groovy, AOR playlist. But Big radio has those blinders on, and they can only see the an MTV of today approach.

MTV changed, I will not get over it. Thanks International Conglomerate Viacom ! You've found a niche for your advertisers.....

Viacom.... has No Soul. I guess that's why they're in the Entertinment Bizness!!

 

[Dndsh237]

And lots of young people could and would relate to it, if there was only a chance for big radio to stick to a deep, cool, groovy, AOR playlist. But Big radio has those blinders on, and they can only see the an MTV of today approach.

Well you're wearing rose colored glasses too.

And I'd be more likely to hurl my lunch over "Rock & A Hard Place".

The thing is, programmers have to do what will appeal to the vast majority. You're not the vast majority, and there is nothing wrong with that. But if a programmer took your ideas and spun a format of deep cut rock, the station would bomb. Why? Because deep cuts appeal more to die hard record collectors, than the average Joe. There are way more average Joe's vs. die hard record collectors.

It's amusing to me how you keep asking the exact same questions, even after they have already been answered.

You don't like terra radio, and that's fine. We get it already. You're the target demo Ipods and Sat Radio wants to attract, but you are too lazy or stubborn (maybe both) that you dismiss the technology because you seem to think Terra radio will answer your call.

That's not going to happen in the era of deregulated radio.

 

[5515]

I think they should definitely hire P&K. What station doesn't want an hour of American Idol chat, an hour of America's next top model chat, an hour of a girl with numerous plastic surgery procedures talking down about how superficial the Dallas hip crowd is, and an hour of a guy whining about what he can and can't eat? Sounds like a winner to me.

Stern made a fortune with doody jokes and throwing bologna at strippers. What's your point?

Hmmm. Well, doody jokes and throwing bologna at strippers is probably appealing to most men 25-54. However, American Idol, America's next top model, and whiny griping about everything else probably isn't.

LOL. Most men 25-54? Then count me in the minority. Doody jokes lost their appeal before I got my first driver's license and the novelty of hearing naked chicks on the radio wore off very fast. It took a month or two, but I tired of the same old shtick from Stern and O&A. I'm an adult. Sex isn't the mysterious novelty it was when I was 12 so I don't get any titillation from hearing it discussed on the radio. Nor do get enjoyment listening to Stern/O&A humiliate their respective interns and WackPacks. I get tired of the perpetual tone of conservative political outrage emanating from the AM stations so that leaves a niche that P&K filled perfectly for me. They provided lifestyle talk with a dry, clever wit and without the preening pretentiousness of BDH or the wacky zoo crew mania of Jagger.

You lost me when you said P&K were clever.

 

[TheRover]

And lots of young people could and would relate to it, if there was only a chance for big radio to stick to a deep, cool, groovy, AOR playlist. But Big radio has those blinders on, and they can only see the an MTV of today approach.

Well you're wearing rose colored glasses too.

And I'd be more likely to hurl my lunch over "Rock & A Hard Place".

The thing is, programmers have to do what will appeal to the vast majority. You're not the vast majority, and there is nothing wrong with that. But if a programmer took your ideas and spun a format of deep cut rock, the station would bomb. Why? Because deep cuts appeal more to die hard record collectors, than the average Joe. There are way more average Joe's vs. die hard record collectors.

It's amusing to me how you keep asking the exact same questions, even after they have already been answered.

You don't like terra radio, and that's fine. We get it already. You're the target demo Ipods and Sat Radio wants to attract, but you are too lazy or stubborn (maybe both) that you dismiss the technology because you seem to think Terra radio will answer your call.

That's not going to happen in the era of deregulated radio.

You responses make me want to hurl...

I do NOT care about the influence of i-pods, sat radio, or internet radio.

I do Care about the influence that Terr radio has. That, is who I am.

I Love the Medium of Terr Radio.

I Hate the use that it has ended up with, as concers the Musical content of it.

I could care less about how many Rush's there are on AM.

But, on FM, I bemona the fact that there is not a place on FM Rock radio for deep cuts.

Just though I'd say that, in case you missed that, while eating your Lunch Dndsh237.

 

[johnqdoe]

Do you REALLLLLLY think a deep cuts, "groovy rock" station would succeed if it was on a 100K stick in Dallas, Tx.????

 

[Dndsh237]

Do you REALLLLLLY think a deep cuts, "groovy rock" station would succeed if it was on a 100K stick in Dallas, Tx.????

No.

 

[TheRover]

Do you REALLLLLLY think a deep cuts, "groovy rock" station would succeed if it was on a 100K stick in Dallas, Tx.????

And, I would ask you.... What is sucess ? ?

 

[bodizypha]

Some classic rock playlists also include some of the hard-rock and heavy metal bands of the 1980s such as Guns N' Roses, Metallica and Van Halen as classic rock; again, particular songs or musical eras from these acts may be more conducive to the format than others, and nearly every station fine-tunes its playlist by adding or deleting songs and artists to differentiate itself from competing stations. Similarly, more modern material in the same style is seldom included unless it is by a recognized classic rock artist; such music often gravitates to top 40 or adult album alternative stations.

Furthermore, some radio stations have began to implement certain "alternative" acts of the late 1980s and 1990s, including bands such as Nirvana, Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Red Hot Chili Peppers, U2 and R.E.M.