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CKLW and WJR Radio

Hey, Nightfly -- did you try to provide a link to the jingle we all heard when we read you posting? (if so, it didn't make it thru.) Sure would be great to have a link to hear it again.

As for the idea of penetrating buildings with 500 watts, CKWW is at 580 AM, so the longer low end of the dial waves do a lot better getting out than comparable wattage further up the dial. And the retort is usually to listen to a webstream on your office computer anyway, if your work allows you to listen to talk radio without being distracted.

If people in this industry are serious about fending off the demise of AM radio, I think the CRTC must consider making better use of AM 800. As CKLW now stands, it is actually part of the reason for the decline of AM listening. Very few people being measured outside of Essex County bother to tune in anymore. Because the programming is dull, irrelevant, or duplicated American syndicated shows also airing on lots of other nearby signals.

Even if moving the oldies format to AM 800 didn't draw a substantially larger cume in and outside of SW Ontario, at least it provides programming on a big signal that few people can get anymore in the adjacent markets. They will be able to sell more regional advertising on it. And bringing it back as a sort of reincarnation of the old CKLW -- OK, even on the cheap, minus the 20-20 "news," minus all of the hyper live jocks, minus the live engineers with dual carts of all the songs, spots, and jingles, and minus the late night calls from Bill Drake to the control room -- but with the old jingle package, and a lot of the old songs - even if it included some specialty shows on the weekends, etc, I am willing to bet it would make a big splash across the Detroit River and Lake Erie, even if it had to depend on word of mouth to promote it.

Otherwise, as I have suggested for years now, let the CBC have that signal. But the latest CBC regime in Toronto may not see the value in moving CBE to AM 800 anymore, even tho' it would certainly be a real boost, being able to reach a couple million potential listeners who can't presently access their programming on AM1550 or on FM. Or who never heard of the CBC before they could find it loud and clear on their car radio while driving a few hours down I-75 or the Ohio Turnpike.
 
Goldilocks94941 said:
Otherwise, as I have suggested for years now, let the CBC have that signal. But the latest CBC regime in Toronto may not see the value in moving CBE to AM 800 anymore, even tho' it would certainly be a real boost, being able to reach a couple million potential listeners who can't presently access their programming on AM1550 or on FM. Or who never heard of the CBC before they could find it loud and clear on their car radio while driving a few hours down I-75 or the Ohio Turnpike.

The CBC has no interest in reaching US listeners. It's funded by Canadian taxpayers with a mandate to broadcast to Canada, and its management believes (correctly, I think) that it can reach a broader swath of Canadians, including younger listeners, by being on FM. Even the big-signal Radio 1 AMs out west have now spawned "nested" FM relay transmitters to serve urban listeners in Winnipeg/Regina/Edmonton, etc.

As for outreach to U.S. listeners (and to Canadians abroad), that's what Radio Canada International is for. It has a separate funding scheme, and a separate mission.

As a longtime listener to the old CBL 740 from here in upstate NY, I miss the big-signal CBC AMs, too. They were nice while they lasted.
 
Well, but it IS in the interest of most Canadians for their American neighbors (aka the elephant in the bed) to know they exist. As one who was raised within spitting distance of the old channel 9 CKLW-TV tower on Riverside Drive, I know most Canadians complain that their American neighbors know little or nothing about them and their country. And how American policies affect them. Or how things work, or don't, in Canada, in order to learn a little more about offering, for example, a national health care system like in the rest of the developed world.

Remember when Ohio was the lynchpin in the 2004 federal election? Wonder if a few more Americans being able to hear non-partyline talk radio from Canada might have made a difference in the evenly split electorate? Unless you think the GOP had things locked up with the county elections offices, anyway, and the vote outcome was predetermined.

My point is, isolation doesn't do anybody any good. And, contrary to what the young and itchy guardsman on the US side of the Ambassador Bridge yelled at me, "Sir what were you doing in a foreign country like Canada, sir!?" -- I think it would help reduce the "foreign-ness" of Canada if the Canadians would use what's at their disposal to try to reach some American audiences.

They get all of the US network TV channels on their cable systems in Canada. How many American cable systems even bother to offer one Canadian channel, like CBC?

There has been (recently I might argue to the contrary) some worthwile programming on Canadian TV that never gets seen in the US. Why shouldn't AMericans be able to see Corner Gas, news and kids shows, heck, even Coronation Street and Little Mosque on the Prairie -- on one or two of their hundred of identical cable channels? Same deal goes for radio - particularly what's left of the AM dial.
 
CKWW can be heard indoors without any problem in Windsor and Essex County. And don't forget, CKLW's news/talk format was originally on CKWW years ago. In those days, I'm pretty sure CKWW did well in Windsor (maybe someone with memories of ratings numbers can chime in here) so moving news/talk back there would be no problem. I certainly think the stations' owners could make more money selling oldies on 800 than 580, especially now that WOMC has ceded the 1950s and 1960s. And hopefully, CKLW could get one of those border city exemptions on Cancon regs and play just 10 or 15 percent rather than 30 percent or more. As things stand, virtually no one is listening to CKLW today, stateside. One thing I wouldn't do is dwell on the "oldies for old people" angle. I know lots of younger people who like music from the 1960s and 1970s. I'd even include some new music...after all, that's what CKLW was all about when they were on top. Michael Franti's "Say Hey" (I Love You)" would sound perfectly fine next to any CK "oldie". Especially with a beloved CK jingle in between! (Thanks to nightfly61 for posting the CK Christmas jingle btw!)
 
Even if CKWW is crystal clear in most of Windsor, advertisers are not going to pay the same money for 500 watts vs. 50,000. I don't know that 580 reaches all of the outlying areas. I'm sure Charlie O'Brien would love to profgram a Retro Big 8 on 800, but it doesn't seem to be in the cards. The CBC is there to program to Canada. It certainly isn't there to try to influence U.S. elections, nor should it. I don't believe a powerful CBC AM station would have won any votes for Obama in Ohio. The talk audience that listens to Rush, etc., isn't budging into the "we love big government" camp. You wouldn't have any measurable number of young people listening to oldies. Certainly there a a few, and you'll find a few young people like big band, old country, classical and even polka. They are just never going to be measurable. CKLW AM ran a 55+ format as Music of Your Life, now the original top 40 audience is the same age. Does seem that the few high powered signals that tried oldies didn't last too long, such as WSAI and WWKB.
 
"WILL has an FM as well, as well as WBAA in Lafayette, IN. Somehow I don't see FM NPR listeners switching over to AM in any large numbers."

They did in Rochester and Buffalo when fulltime AM signals devoted to news and talk 24/7 broke off from their FM sisters (freeing them to do wall-to-wall classical and fine arts programming). In Rochester the AM grew to match the FM in audience and became the second-most-popular of a dozen fulltime AMs in the market according to Arbitron. So, yes, if you program it, they will come to AM...
 
Scott Fybush said:
Goldilocks94941 said:
Otherwise, as I have suggested for years now, let the CBC have that signal. But the latest CBC regime in Toronto may not see the value in moving CBE to AM 800 anymore, even tho' it would certainly be a real boost, being able to reach a couple million potential listeners who can't presently access their programming on AM1550 or on FM. Or who never heard of the CBC before they could find it loud and clear on their car radio while driving a few hours down I-75 or the Ohio Turnpike.

The CBC has no interest in reaching US listeners. It's funded by Canadian taxpayers with a mandate to broadcast to Canada, and its management believes (correctly, I think) that it can reach a broader swath of Canadians, including younger listeners, by being on FM. Even the big-signal Radio 1 AMs out west have now spawned "nested" FM relay transmitters to serve urban listeners in Winnipeg/Regina/Edmonton, etc.

As for outreach to U.S. listeners (and to Canadians abroad), that's what Radio Canada International is for. It has a separate funding scheme, and a separate mission.

As a longtime listener to the old CBL 740 from here in upstate NY, I miss the big-signal CBC AMs, too. They were nice while they lasted.

I'm not too happy with the CBC as of late...especially with Radio 2.

CBC North does operate on 9625 kHz, carrying Radio 1 programs, as well as programming in French, Inuktitut & Cree. There's has been a plan afoot to operate several overlapping SW transmitters carrying CBC programming covering the entire North (and much of the rest of the continent), but given funding cuts and what-not, I don't know where this project currently stands.

~BG
 

Bonaire is off the western Venezuelan coast, with the closest big city being Maracaibo. The Lesser Antilles, oddly, include the ABC islands, despite being far from the sting of islands starting with the USVI and ending at Trinidad... Bonaire is really an islando off the Venezuelan coast.

XELO ran 150 kw consistently from well before CKLW went to the Top 40 format; there was no "upgrade" in the 70's... just a rebuild of the facility by Bruce Earle before it became XEROK... transmitter and audio chain all "put back together" for CHR sound.
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Thank you David for the clarification. I was not sure whether there was a power upgrade or just a facility upgrade in processing equipment or "tweaks". I just recall from my DX days that one day CKLW was gone and this fire breathing monster took over 800kc. It was a lot of fun back in the day to DX from the "heartland" being in the middle of nowhere or should I say centrally located the opurtunities for DX were very interesting.
Now if I could only dredge up the call sign of the AM I used to hear as a regular from Belize, my fading memory will be restored. I "think" it was in the area of 1200-1300kc however I must admit I've slept since then.LOL

Also may I add that I greatly enjoy your website and have learned much from your excellent work and astonishing career.
The photos are a real time capsule treat and I look forward to more.
Best Regards
Jay Walker
 
ratingsgeek said:
KyDXIn said:
Does anyone have any Gary Burbank stories from his time at CKLW? I'm lucky enough to have heard him at his first station WAKY, and listened to him at WHAS where many of his characters were developed. When he left WAKY, Gary gets shot during his last hour on WAKY in 1973 http://www.79waky.com/airchecksgaryburbank.htm
Not a first-hand story. In 1974 when I was doing overnights in Toledo, I stayed up one morning (that is, instead of hitting the sack or hitting a bar) and airchecked Burbank on The Big 8--the Old Fashioned Way, starting & stopping the cassette recorder on my pre-boom-box portable. Just a completely random morning, selected only because I wasn't tired enough to conk out after six hours on-air or energetic enough to fight off the hookers hanging at the kind of bars open in The Glass City at 6 AM...

Sent the unedited (well, manually edited via start/stop) aircheck off to another jock buddy in a distant market, and forgot all about it. About a year ago, out of the blue, I got an email from that same guy, who had found me via Googling my name + "radio" and I invited him to stop by for a visit. And, lo and behold, he turns up with this same 1974 Gary Burbank CKLW aircheck. And it turns out to be terrific. Very, very funny... fast, dynamic... and competely original. But not just a precursor to WLW Days. Rather, uniquely The Big 8. A great jock. A great radio station.

Yeah, Burbank was great on The Big 8. Even 35 years later!
It would be awesome if you could get that digitized and posted online.
 
nightfly61 said:
CK didn't slack on crossover country. Charlie Rich (TMBGITW), Behind Closed Doors, Billy Swan, Anne Murray, B.J Thomas, Freddie Fender, Kenny Rogers, ...in fact, CKLW is where I heard the parody "You Picked A Fine Time To Leave Me Loose Wheel".
Is this the same song you were mentioning? Who sang the song?
 
Jay Walker said:
Now if I could only dredge up the call sign of the AM I used to hear as a regular from Belize, my fading memory will be restored. I "think" it was in the area of 1200-1300kc however I must admit I've slept since then.LOL

834 was the former British Honduras Broadcasting Service... 20 kw. If it had calls, it had a Zed at the beginning...

And thanks for the comments on the site. I wish I had more time to work on it!
 
An answer to a post of some time ago. "AWAITING ON YOU ALL" By SILVER HAWK was recorded in Canada. The group was from Detroit and this was their only record. It's on Westbound Records (Funkadelic, Denise LaSalle, Detroit Emeralds, and Westbound's biggest hit "The Americans" by CKLW newsman Byron MacGregor!)

SOME WESTBOUND RECORD HITS PLAYED ON CKLW...

"You Want It, You Got It" by The Detroit Emeralds
"You and Your Folks, Me and My Folks" by Funkadelic (From their excellent "Maggot Brain" LP)
"A Man Sized Job" by Denise LaSalle
 
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