Do you have a point to make here? I'm not being dismissive or demeaning or just mean... I don't see what you are arguing for or against.
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Do you have a point to make here? I'm not being dismissive or demeaning or just mean... I don't see what you are arguing for or against.
Originally Posted by Robert Bass
"Actually from my non-corporate chair here, it's the people whining for deep playlists who typically hijack threads."
No, we usually begin the threads, you guys tend to intervene, because you insist we're always wrong and our stations that we listen to are irrelevant and don't matter.
"Actually from my non-corporate chair here, it's the people whining for deep playlists who typically hijack threads."
No, we usually begin the threads, you guys tend to intervene, because you insist we're always wrong and our stations that we listen to are irrelevant and don't matter.
Okay, this is nothing but off-topic TROLLING. Frank, I dare you to call him out on this one.
Look at the TOP of this board: Classic hits 60s/70s/80s. This particular board is NOT "the business of radio." That is elsewhere on this site.
But I understand, it must suck to be you. You are trying to defend a dying, decaying industry. Oh, it isn't dying? Oh, I am sure you would have told me the same thing about AM radio, circa 1978. The current crop of radio guys are the same ones who brought us the failure of AM radio. They just moved it over to FM. Sorry, guys, this AIN'T 1975. We got choices. You CAN'T stick it to us like you could a generation ago.
Need more proof? Look at the signature line of some of these guys on here. They have migrated onto 'netcasting. Radio is too stiff, too rigid, too inflexible, too dependent on the generation LEAST likely to listen to them. You guys are on a sinking ship, and you know it. You tell us how you survived television, MTV and on and on in the past, but your latest wounds are SELF-inflicted. You can't blame us for any of that. You let the MTV of a generation ago pick the music that you played, because radio abdicated.
The makers of the Titanic bragged a little over a century ago like you are bragging now.
Radio: the medium of the 20th century trying to stay relevant in the 21st century.
Gurgle, gurgle, gurgle.
I wouldn't want to be you.
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No one who didn't initiate a thread can claim to have a thread hijacked, because they didn't even have a thread to hijack at all!
And you saw it here once again. Another of these corporate bullies is accusing ME of being a troll. Only he accuses me of hijacking the entire industry. That is some serious CHUTZPAH coming from the likes of him.
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It's not just kids! I'm so old that radio advertisers don't want my money any more! I guess that despite spending a lot, my money's somehow tainted by my age. And I use my MP3 players in both my car and at home as my primary source of musical entertainment. I also use the music-only channels on my cable TV, the Palladium network sometimes, and of course, my 12-string guitar.
I've worked in far too many retail environments where music reproduction technology devices are sold, and I've heard far too many people listening in public to music playback devices other than OTA radios to believe the standard line the suits keep repeating that radio is listened to now more than ever. That's just too different from what my own to eyes and my own two ears tell me. I've attempted to engage people I run into about their favorite radio stations. Regardless of their age, almost no one ever mentions any radio station. The most common "favorite" music source is some alternative to OTA radio.
People can direct us to self-serving industry websites where the official line that OTA radio is alive and well is repeated, but that doesn't change reality. To be totally honest, I'd prefer some sort of OTA radio station if I could only find one that wasn't so mind-numbingly BORING with tight little playlists and overblown "imaging". But since that's not going to happen, most of my entertainment listening is to my own music reproduction technology devices. And, to most people I encounter, that's what they think as well.
And as long as the suits claim that the radio ratings allegedly "prove" that OTA radio listening is still strong and growing, in direct opposition to simple observed reality, I will not believe the claims that the radio ratings are worth more than a pitcher of warm spit.
Now "always" wrong, but a lot of times. Since these threads are about radio programming, I'd suggest it's helpful and instructive to know why certain decisions are made. Otherwise, your thread stops with everyone in agreement. So a thread begins, all five music fans agree, and then it stops. We come in and explain why, and then the five of you argue with our reasons. What's more interesting to you?
As I said earlier, the business of radio is not programming. Classic Hits is a radio format. This is a radio programming board, not a music board. Once again, if the reaslity of radio bothers you, they offer the ignore button.
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Without listeners, you don't matter.
It's amazing that these guys have this ENTIRE board, yet still accuse US of "trolling."
KM...Usually we begin the posts about radio's shortcomings or certain radio stations that lack. YOU guys intervene and begin saying negative things about radio stations we listen to or that program they way we'd like them to. And you keep denying that WOGL is #2, when it is. We present you with facts, you deny them. Of course, that's what makes these discussions interesting, but don't accuse us of hijacking, when 90% of the time, we start the threads. Did you start this 80's thread? How about all the KRTH threads here and on RI dating back to 2006?? And the list goes on..........
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I remember when people put station bumper stickers on their cars. I don't see that much anymore. Station loyalty is just not there anymore. Stations drop formats and change formats on a whim. And it ain't just US noticing it.
We have lots of listeners. We program to our listeners. Not to music fans who want to hear their own personal music collection on the radio. For them, there are mp3 players and lots of other personal devices. You guys often say you don't listen, or you don't listen to the stations we program. So you've already defined yourself as a non-listener.
Stations stopped doing bumper stickers a long time ago. Maybe 20 years ago. Not because people didn't use them, but they discovered it wasn't really effective promotion.
But more to your point, there is a lot of station loyalty. When WCBS flipped from oldies to Jack, there was a huge outcry that ultimately resulted in the station going back to classic hits.
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I certainly DON'T expect everyone to agree with me. There are probably differences between my opinions and those of the other music fans. But I don't know what they are right now.
But it doesn't do your side any good when your guys come on here and brag like you are God's gift to radio. I have worked in radio. I know too much for any of these guys to try to pull a snow job on me. And I see the "snottitude" that they bring to this board, and I suddenly remember why I LEFT radio.
It was never about playing what I wanted to hear. It always made me feel great when I got a request, and could actually find it AND play it. Some listeners even called me back to thank me for playing it for them!
I don't know about the other guys, but earlier today, I defined myself as a weekend listener. I like the specialty programs. Wish that there were more of them. But again, y'all don't program to me. You decided that, not me. Chasing me off became a self-fulfilling prophecy.
Billboards seem to have fallen the way of the wind, too. I don't see too many of them anymore.
We listen to stations that appeal to us, whether it be Hippie Radio, Superhits or WOGL. We don't listen to stations that play the same junk every 6 hours, everyday. We listen to live, good stations, but you downplay them as inferior or low rated.
Here's the thing. We don't really know what they think because they don't start any threads here. They just wait for us to post something, and then denigrate it. If I were programming one of these big-city blowtorches, I would be grateful for the non-coms because they take guys like me OUT of the equation for corporate radio. Instead, they run them down, usually for having a bad signal, or something like that. But I have solutions for issues like that. I mentioned them earlier in this thread.
Personal music taste is YOUR decision, not ours. You COULD have more pedestrian taste, but you don't. That's YOUR decision. We are in the mass media. That's the business we're in. Programming to the masses. That's not you.
As for billboards, a lot of radio companies own billboard companies. So I don't know what you're talking about. But how a station spends its marketing money has nothing to do with your point. It's an internal station decision.
Great. Have a nice day. But that's not where it stops. You then go on to attack the stations that DON'T do what you like, saying it's boring or bad. As you did in the above post.
Factually and truthfully, they happen to be low rated. That's the truth. You prefer that we lie? The reality is that there aren't a lot of fast food sushi places. You want something specific, you probably have to drive out of your way. Maybe even have to pay a little more.
A lot of that comes from the generation in which I grew up. And I have no control of that. And I did not choose NOT to like radio. Radio decided that I did not matter. It's the chicken or the egg argument.
Still waiting for you corporate guys to start some of your OWN threads to tell us how "wrong" we are.
Personally I don't see the point in starting those kinds of threads. I'm not here to attack anyone.
But take a look at how many posts you get when actual discussion takes place, vs. how many posts when everyone agrees. We're at over 170 posts. If we weren't here to challenge you, the thread would stop at #5.
Still wondering where these corporate guys expect us to go when we age out of their coveted demographic. Yeah, I have choices. I was probably the last generation to grow up on AM radio. But I am not ready to be shipped off to the graveyard just yet. My parents are still alive, and live just a mile or so from me. They listen to WSM. It would probably bore me to death very quickly, but that is about all that they have at their age. They won't even listen to the local small-town station because it sucks so badly that even THEY won't listen to it.
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