"Clear Channel: iPhone Not a Competitive Threat"

[PocketRadio]

"Clear Channel: iPhone Not a Competitive Threat"

"There is a future for radio people, but it's not on terrestrial radio... And you can see how ridiculous an HD radio looks right now as well... It's over. You're finished... There's a reason Steve Jobs didn't put a radio in the iPhone. Radio is to the next generation -- what a typewriter is to all of us today... Not only is iPhone a competitive threat to radio. It is the killer app. We've reached the tipping point."

Yea, just like Satellite Radio the iPhone is not a competitive threat !

"Hell, Clear Channel backed out of its subscription radio experiment with Sprint earlier this year."

Great - so much for HD Radio in cell phones !

http://insidemusicmedia.blogspot.com/2007/07/clear-channel-iphone-not-competitive.html

 

[PocketRadio]

"Maybe we should have called it 'iHD'"

"Weekend estimates indicate that about 500,000 iPhones were sold in their debut bow. Meaning...Apple moved more iPhones in three days than the radio industry has moved HD Radios in three years."

http://www.hear2.com/2007/07/maybe-we-should.html

 

[radiopilot]

"Maybe we should have called it 'iHD'"

"Weekend estimates indicate that about 500,000 iPhones were sold in their debut bow. Meaning...Apple moved more iPhones in three days than the radio industry has moved HD Radios in three years."

http://www.hear2.com/2007/07/maybe-we-should.html

Apple and experts indicate over 100 million of these iPhone units may be sold in less than 4 years time, that means it's that many people without an portable HD radio in their hands or listening to radio, not that radio is dead but that's how many people will not be listening to radio, also there are reports that Europeans want the iPhone as well, would that also mean less DAB listeners there too?

HD radio may as well stop broadcasting now and continue it's 'status quo' of lousy programming, bad content, on it's analog signal.

Radiopilot

 

[R.F. Burns]

"Clear Channel: iPhone Not a Competitive Threat"

"There is a future for radio people, but it's not on terrestrial radio... And you can see how ridiculous an HD radio looks right now as well... It's over. You're finished... There's a reason Steve Jobs didn't put a radio in the iPhone. Radio is to the next generation -- what a typewriter is to all of us today... Not only is iPhone a competitive threat to radio. It is the killer app. We've reached the tipping point."

Yea, just like Satellite Radio the iPhone is not a competitive threat !

"Hell, Clear Channel backed out of its subscription radio experiment with Sprint earlier this year."

Great - so much for HD Radio in cell phones !

http://insidemusicmedia.blogspot.com/2007/07/clear-channel-iphone-not-competitive.html

Boy, what a bitter post. What's the matter, couldn't make it in the business so now you will have a tantrum against the entire industry. Sorry pal, not everyone has the talent to make it.

 

[Mike Walker]

Satellite radio may not even exist in a decade. They WILL DIE if they don't quit bleeding red ink. Neither service has done anything to date other than lose BILLIONS. OUCH! And listeners bitch if they dare to run a commercial. Of course they'd also bitch if they raised rates. MOST people who get trial subscriptions with new cars allow those subscriptions to lapse.

Less than one in five Americans EVER listen to streaming radio. Only about 15 million people subscribe to BOTH satellite radio services combined...about the same size as the New York metro. And just because they subscribe to satellite raido, doesn't mean they no longer listen to terrestrial. You seem incapable of grasping the fact that, just as HBO doesn't replace ABC or CBS, satellite or internet radio doesn't replace AM or FM. 95 percent of Americans use terrestrial radio every week. Howard Stern OFTEN bitches about how he gained riches, but lost what he really valued...AN AUDIENCE! He used to have more listeners in some cities than he now has in the entire country.

 

[Play Freebird]

Less than one in five Americans EVER listen to streaming radio. Only about 15 million people subscribe to BOTH satellite radio services combined...about the same size as the New York metro. And just because they subscribe to satellite raido, doesn't mean they no longer listen to terrestrial. You seem incapable of grasping the fact that, just as HBO doesn't replace ABC or CBS, satellite or internet radio doesn't replace AM or FM. 95 percent of Americans use terrestrial radio every week.

While the figures you cite may be true today, what about the trends? Shouldn't we be more concerned about the direction listeners are headed?

Bridge Ratings has been following this area closely. Take a look at the following, and be sure to scroll down to "Primary Daily Device Used" the bottom of the page. (I'll add emphasis on the word PRIMARY) So what color does that 0.02% in the pie chart refer to? Its sad that so much money and time has been spent on something an overwhelming majority of people evidently don't care about:

http://www.bridgeratings.com/press.05.23.07.CompMediaUse.htm

A major impact of the iPhone is its Wifi capability, which opens up all sorts of possibilities to download audio files - not just music, but news, sports, and weather - on demand, on the go, and in many cases, for free. Apple's competitors like Nokia, Motorola, Samsung ,etc. are sure to follow, because WiFi costs so little to include. This will lead the cell phone's 22% share to merge with Internet radio's 17% share. 22 + 17 = 39, which is (frighteningly) the same as terrestrial radio's share!

The message to anyone with an open mind should be clear.

 

[jras20]

I just cant see my self paying 2,000$ for a phone service :

 

[radiopilot]

Less than one in five Americans EVER listen to streaming radio. Only about 15 million people subscribe to BOTH satellite radio services combined...about the same size as the New York metro. And just because they subscribe to satellite raido, doesn't mean they no longer listen to terrestrial. You seem incapable of grasping the fact that, just as HBO doesn't replace ABC or CBS, satellite or internet radio doesn't replace AM or FM. 95 percent of Americans use terrestrial radio every week.

While the figures you cite may be true today, what about the trends? Shouldn't we be more concerned about the direction listeners are headed?

Bridge Ratings has been following this area closely. Take a look at the following, and be sure to scroll down to "Primary Daily Device Used" the bottom of the page. (I'll add emphasis on the word PRIMARY) So what color does that 0.02% in the pie chart refer to? Its sad that so much money and time has been spent on something an overwhelming majority of people evidently don't care about:

http://www.bridgeratings.com/press.05.23.07.CompMediaUse.htm

A major impact of the iPhone is its Wifi capability, which opens up all sorts of possibilities to download audio files - not just music, but news, sports, and weather - on demand, on the go, and in many cases, for free. Apple's competitors like Nokia, Motorola, Samsung ,etc. are sure to follow, because WiFi costs so little to include. This will lead the cell phone's 22% share to merge with Internet radio's 17% share. 22 + 17 = 39, which is (frighteningly) the same as terrestrial radio's share!

The message to anyone with an open mind should be clear.

The problem is not the iPhone but the jealousy of the pro-HD crowd not reckonizing that HD radios failure is that only 'radio geeks' bought them and that the general public does not want HD radio and could care less... they want Wifi based products with internet capability, their own content based on mp3 as they want, and everything self contained in one slick product.. iPhone hits that target, and now they (the pro-HD crowd) now are crying that HD needs to be on Ipods, Iphones, etc. because it's the only way to get this defective product in the eyes of consumers.

Sorry that ship has sailed and HD radio wasn't on it... no amount of your rhetoric to the contrary is going to change that.

Radiopilot

 

[R.F. Burns]

Less than one in five Americans EVER listen to streaming radio. Only about 15 million people subscribe to BOTH satellite radio services combined...about the same size as the New York metro. And just because they subscribe to satellite raido, doesn't mean they no longer listen to terrestrial. You seem incapable of grasping the fact that, just as HBO doesn't replace ABC or CBS, satellite or internet radio doesn't replace AM or FM. 95 percent of Americans use terrestrial radio every week.

While the figures you cite may be true today, what about the trends? Shouldn't we be more concerned about the direction listeners are headed?

Bridge Ratings has been following this area closely. Take a look at the following, and be sure to scroll down to "Primary Daily Device Used" the bottom of the page. (I'll add emphasis on the word PRIMARY) So what color does that 0.02% in the pie chart refer to? Its sad that so much money and time has been spent on something an overwhelming majority of people evidently don't care about:

http://www.bridgeratings.com/press.05.23.07.CompMediaUse.htm

A major impact of the iPhone is its Wifi capability, which opens up all sorts of possibilities to download audio files - not just music, but news, sports, and weather - on demand, on the go, and in many cases, for free. Apple's competitors like Nokia, Motorola, Samsung ,etc. are sure to follow, because WiFi costs so little to include. This will lead the cell phone's 22% share to merge with Internet radio's 17% share. 22 + 17 = 39, which is (frighteningly) the same as terrestrial radio's share!

The message to anyone with an open mind should be clear.

Wi-Fi isn't going to compete with terrestrial radio due to its limited coverage and Wi-Max infrustructure isn't in place and who knows when it will be able to provide seamless coverage as our present radio system does and that includes the ability to operate through emergency conditions. .

 

[dbdigital]

Less than one in five Americans EVER listen to streaming radio. Only about 15 million people subscribe to BOTH satellite radio services combined...about the same size as the New York metro. And just because they subscribe to satellite raido, doesn't mean they no longer listen to terrestrial. You seem incapable of grasping the fact that, just as HBO doesn't replace ABC or CBS, satellite or internet radio doesn't replace AM or FM. 95 percent of Americans use terrestrial radio every week.

While the figures you cite may be true today, what about the trends? Shouldn't we be more concerned about the direction listeners are headed?

Bridge Ratings has been following this area closely. Take a look at the following, and be sure to scroll down to "Primary Daily Device Used" the bottom of the page. (I'll add emphasis on the word PRIMARY) So what color does that 0.02% in the pie chart refer to? Its sad that so much money and time has been spent on something an overwhelming majority of people evidently don't care about:

http://www.bridgeratings.com/press.05.23.07.CompMediaUse.htm

A major impact of the iPhone is its Wifi capability, which opens up all sorts of possibilities to download audio files - not just music, but news, sports, and weather - on demand, on the go, and in many cases, for free. Apple's competitors like Nokia, Motorola, Samsung ,etc. are sure to follow, because WiFi costs so little to include. This will lead the cell phone's 22% share to merge with Internet radio's 17% share. 22 + 17 = 39, which is (frighteningly) the same as terrestrial radio's share!

The message to anyone with an open mind should be clear.

Wi-Fi isn't going to compete with terrestrial radio due to its limited coverage and Wi-Max infrustructure isn't in place and who knows when it will be able to provide seamless coverage as our present radio system does and that includes the ability to operate through emergency conditions. .

Yet. That's the qualifier. We all know this technology changes rapidly and what doesn't exist 'yet' will be here tomorrow. The fact that a lot of heavy hitters, including Microsoft, are investing in Wi-MAX and more and more cities are committing to muni wi-fi indicates that it will be here much sooner than later.

The reasoning, 'yes, but you can get HD-Radio now,' betrays a short-sighted thinking. By the time HD-Radio acheives any significant penetration (assuming it ever does) Wi-MAX will be everywhere and the public will be listening to radio on their next generation smartphones or wi-fi enabled iPods.

That's the future, we'll just have to get ready for to it.

db

 

[R.F. Burns]

Less than one in five Americans EVER listen to streaming radio. Only about 15 million people subscribe to BOTH satellite radio services combined...about the same size as the New York metro. And just because they subscribe to satellite raido, doesn't mean they no longer listen to terrestrial. You seem incapable of grasping the fact that, just as HBO doesn't replace ABC or CBS, satellite or internet radio doesn't replace AM or FM. 95 percent of Americans use terrestrial radio every week.

While the figures you cite may be true today, what about the trends? Shouldn't we be more concerned about the direction listeners are headed?

Bridge Ratings has been following this area closely. Take a look at the following, and be sure to scroll down to "Primary Daily Device Used" the bottom of the page. (I'll add emphasis on the word PRIMARY) So what color does that 0.02% in the pie chart refer to? Its sad that so much money and time has been spent on something an overwhelming majority of people evidently don't care about:

http://www.bridgeratings.com/press.05.23.07.CompMediaUse.htm

A major impact of the iPhone is its Wifi capability, which opens up all sorts of possibilities to download audio files - not just music, but news, sports, and weather - on demand, on the go, and in many cases, for free. Apple's competitors like Nokia, Motorola, Samsung ,etc. are sure to follow, because WiFi costs so little to include. This will lead the cell phone's 22% share to merge with Internet radio's 17% share. 22 + 17 = 39, which is (frighteningly) the same as terrestrial radio's share!

The message to anyone with an open mind should be clear.

Wi-Fi isn't going to compete with terrestrial radio due to its limited coverage and Wi-Max infrustructure isn't in place and who knows when it will be able to provide seamless coverage as our present radio system does and that includes the ability to operate through emergency conditions. .

Yet. That's the qualifier. We all know this technology changes rapidly and what doesn't exist 'yet' will be here tomorrow. The fact that a lot of heavy hitters, including Microsoft, are investing in Wi-MAX and more and more cities are committing to muni wi-fi indicates that it will be here much sooner than later.

The reasoning, 'yes, but you can get HD-Radio now,' betrays a short-sighted thinking. By the time HD-Radio acheives any significant penetration (assuming it ever does) Wi-MAX will be everywhere and the public will be listening to radio on their next generation smartphones or wi-fi enabled iPods.

That's the future, we'll just have to get ready for to it.

db

Again and again I repeat, we are talking delivery methods. If it takes 10 years to fit the entire country for Wi-Max (using what spectrum? BPL is under legal scruteny by the ARRL and others) that's 10 years of income and from what I'm reading here the anti IBOC folks believe that once the majors have to face the small time operator, their days are numbered. All I can say to that is, you're delusional if you believe that. I keep readinig how this new technology willl require that everyone buy a new radio (which isn't true if you dont want to take advantage of the HD technology), but not a peep about all of the new Wi-Max radios people would have to buy once there current radio transmitters disappear. Talk about land fill...lol. Then there's the HD radios are expensive argument and how $150 is way too much for new technology (But $300 for a Bose wave radio isn't), but not a word about the $500 dollar I-phone. These arguments we're presented with, when on topic have so many holes in them, it's difficult not to disbelieve what you're reading.

 

[PocketRadio]

The problem is not the iPhone but the jealousy of the pro-HD crowd not reckonizing that HD radios failure is that only 'radio geeks' bought them and that the general public does not want HD radio and could care less... they want Wifi based products with internet capability, their own content based on mp3 as they want, and everything self contained in one slick product.. iPhone hits that target, and now they (the pro-HD crowd) now are crying that HD needs to be on Ipods, Iphones, etc. because it's the only way to get this defective product in the eyes of consumers.

Sorry that ship has sailed and HD radio wasn't on it... no amount of your rhetoric to the contrary is going to change that.

Radiopilot

"iHD, anyone?"

"I’ve had an HD Radio for a few months now, and even though it’s my own industry, I don’t get the value proposition. The commercial stations are offering additional channels of the same crappy music, and many of the public stations (with notable exceptions like KUOW/KXOT) are offering unoriginal, turnkey content. Gee, that’s compelling. I think I’ll go stand in line for 25 hours to get me one of those."

http://toddmundt.com/blog/2007/07/03/ihd-anyone/

Another one from the broadcast industry realizes that HD Radio is a farce !

 

[SUPERCASTER]

Satellite radio may not even exist in a decade. They WILL DIE if they don't quit bleeding red ink. Neither service has done anything to date other than lose BILLIONS. OUCH! And listeners bitch if they dare to run a commercial. Of course they'd also bitch if they raised rates. MOST people who get trial subscriptions with new cars allow those subscriptions to lapse.

Less than one in five Americans EVER listen to streaming radio. Only about 15 million people subscribe to BOTH satellite radio services combined...about the same size as the New York metro. And just because they subscribe to satellite raido, doesn't mean they no longer listen to terrestrial. You seem incapable of grasping the fact that, just as HBO doesn't replace ABC or CBS, satellite or internet radio doesn't replace AM or FM.
95 percent of Americans use terrestrial radio every week. Howard Stern OFTEN bitches about how he gained riches, but lost what he really valued...AN AUDIENCE! He used to have more listeners in some cities than he now has in the entire country.

Satellite radio may not even exist in a decade.

and IBOC HD radio in it's present form probably has less time.

Less than one in five Americans EVER listen to streaming radio. Only about 15 million people subscribe to BOTH satellite radio services combined...about the same size as the New York metro. And just because they subscribe to satellite raido, doesn't mean they no longer listen to terrestrial.

I doubt they are listening to terrestrial at the same time, and certainly not to HD radio's they have decided not to buy.

satellite or internet radio doesn't replace AM or FM.

But they certainly are doing a great job at making HD radio an unnecessary, expensive, problematic, redundancy.

95 percent of Americans use terrestrial radio every week.

And virtually no one uses HD radio.
This is just another off topic HD proponent's red herring, distracting, misdirecting, disruptive, off topic diversion to avoid discussion about flawed and publicly rejected HD radio technology.

 

[R.F. Burns]

Satellite radio may not even exist in a decade. They WILL DIE if they don't quit bleeding red ink. Neither service has done anything to date other than lose BILLIONS. OUCH! And listeners bitch if they dare to run a commercial. Of course they'd also bitch if they raised rates. MOST people who get trial subscriptions with new cars allow those subscriptions to lapse.

Less than one in five Americans EVER listen to streaming radio. Only about 15 million people subscribe to BOTH satellite radio services combined...about the same size as the New York metro. And just because they subscribe to satellite raido, doesn't mean they no longer listen to terrestrial. You seem incapable of grasping the fact that, just as HBO doesn't replace ABC or CBS, satellite or internet radio doesn't replace AM or FM.
95 percent of Americans use terrestrial radio every week. Howard Stern OFTEN bitches about how he gained riches, but lost what he really valued...AN AUDIENCE! He used to have more listeners in some cities than he now has in the entire country.

Satellite radio may not even exist in a decade.

and IBOC HD radio in it's present form probably has less time.

Less than one in five Americans EVER listen to streaming radio. Only about 15 million people subscribe to BOTH satellite radio services combined...about the same size as the New York metro. And just because they subscribe to satellite raido, doesn't mean they no longer listen to terrestrial.

I doubt they are listening to terrestrial at the same time, and certainly not to HD radio's they have decided not to buy.

satellite or internet radio doesn't replace AM or FM.

But they certainly are doing a great job at making HD radio an unnecessary, expensive, problematic, redundancy.

95 percent of Americans use terrestrial radio every week.

And virtually no one uses HD radio.
This is just another off topic HD proponent's red herring, distracting, misdirecting, disruptive, off topic diversion to avoid discussion about flawed and publicly rejected HD radio technology.

And please tell us what inside knowledge you base these comments on. Is this just more wishfull thinking on your part? Up is down, right is wrong.

 

[Mike Walker]

Clear Channel doesn't make telephones, Apple doesn't make radios (or produce radio programming). They DO distribute programming produced by others, including Clear Channel. Clearly, these are not competitive technologies. Duh!

 

[radiopilot]

Clear Channel doesn't make telephones, Apple doesn't make radios (or produce radio programming). They DO distribute programming produced by others, including Clear Channel. Clearly, these are not competitive technologies. Duh!

Mike your observations are so astute as to amaze us on these boards!

When people are plugged into Ipods or any mp3 players are they listening to terrestrial radio?

When people are plugged into their cellphones listening to mp3 music and other content are they listening to terrestrial radio?

When people are listening to satelite radio are they listening to terrestrial radio?

When people are listening to internet radio (WiFi included) are they listening to terrestrial radio?

When you can answer those questions simply without losing your cool like RFBurns then maybe a good discussion about whether these are competing technologies with HD radio and for that matter analog radio.

Radiopilot

 

[R.F. Burns]

Clear Channel doesn't make telephones, Apple doesn't make radios (or produce radio programming). They DO distribute programming produced by others, including Clear Channel. Clearly, these are not competitive technologies. Duh!

Mike your observations are so astute as to amaze us on these boards!

When people are plugged into Ipods or any mp3 players are they listening to terrestrial radio?

When people are plugged into their cellphones listening to mp3 music and other content are they listening to terrestrial radio?

When people are listening to satelite radio are they listening to terrestrial radio?

When people are listening to internet radio (WiFi included) are they listening to terrestrial radio?

When you can answer those questions simply without losing your cool like RFBurns then maybe a good discussion about whether these are competing technologies with HD radio and for that matter analog radio.

Radiopilot

Please detail where I have lost my cool in any of these discussions. I'm a native NYer and maybe you don't understand our debating style. I have remained cool throughout. I have come here to discuss HD radio, not I-phones or cell phones or analog radio. What is so hard about that to understand?

 

[Mike Walker]

Actually most mp3 player models have FM radios. Many can record from them, turning them into "time-shift" machines. Even without radios, lots of what people do with mp3 players is listen to podcasts. Many of the most successful podcasts are broadcasts of terrestrial radio programs. Leo Laporte's tech programs, originating on KFI in Los Angeles, are distributed to many thousands as podcasts each week. NPR distributes podcasts to MANY people. There's even a "pubcatcher" rss program distributed specifically by public radio stations.

MANY (perhaps most) stations and/or groups distribute at least some of their programming via the internet streamed live, and/or through podcasts.

Thanks for the compliment. I'll now make another "astute observation"...YES, lots of what people listen to on mp3 players, even those without radios, is programming produced BY TERRESTRIAL RADIO. Sync to Itunes, and see how many podcasts of terrestrial broadcasts are available THROUGH THEM! So yes, people listen to terrestrial radio on Ipods every day. EVERY day.

 

[PocketRadio]

Actually most mp3 player models have FM radios. Many can record from them, turning them into "time-shift" machines. Even without radios, lots of what people do with mp3 players is listen to podcasts. Many of the most successful podcasts are broadcasts of terrestrial radio programs. Leo Laporte's tech programs, originating on KFI in Los Angeles, are distributed to many thousands as podcasts each week. NPR distributes podcasts to MANY people. There's even a "pubcatcher" rss program distributed specifically by public radio stations.

MANY (perhaps most) stations and/or groups distribute at least some of their programming via the internet streamed live, and/or through podcasts.

Thanks for the compliment. I'll now make another "astute observation"...YES, lots of what people listen to on mp3 players, even those without radios, is programming produced BY TERRESTRIAL RADIO. Sync to Itunes, and see how many podcasts of terrestrial broadcasts are available THROUGH THEM! So yes, people listen to terrestrial radio on Ipods every day. EVERY day.

iPods just feature FM-tuners as expensive add-on devices - consumers do not purchase iPods to get access to radio; there is good reason that Apple has not added an FM-tuner as a standard feature and never will. BTW, Apple has at least 80% of the MP3 market. Also, Clear Channel backed out of its subscription radio experiment with Sprint earlier this year.

 

[scanman1]

Clear Channel doesn't make telephones, Apple doesn't make radios (or produce radio programming). They DO distribute programming produced by others, including Clear Channel. Clearly, these are not competitive technologies. Duh!

Any entertainment device that allows you to listen to internet broadcasts, streaming music, or whatever is not broadcasting over the conventional commercial broadcast band, is a competitor to terrestrial radio.

When I'm listening to an MP3 player, internet stream or Satellite Radio channel. I'm NOT listening to a terrestrial radio station.