CONNECTICUT SCHOOL OF BROADCASTING SHUTS DOWN

[ISaidSo]

Yeah, I see a pattern... What do you consider working with? Running the board? Screening calls? Walking thru the same room?

 

[scrtr84]

Yeah, I see a pattern... What do you consider working with? Running the board? Screening calls? Walking thru the same room?

"This guy is incorrigible". (Jim Carrey as "The Mask".)

 

[ISaidSo]

 

[analog78]

Yeah, I see a pattern... What do you consider working with? Running the board? Screening calls? Walking thru the same room?

And what do you do in this market?

Where is your list of "talent" on -air that so much better than those of us from Tech schools? I know several people on this market and many others from tech schools.

Just a different avenue to the same destination, we get your opinion, but again no one is bashing traditional education, which has it's share of failures and shortcomings as well. Yes many people did fail at CSB and probably ABS as well, and many more will never work in radio.

I think this is a measure of the individual, and his or her desire for the business. Same as if they had gone to UNT or TCU, which both have great programs, and I work with some of those people as well.

WORK. Not just in the same room, walking by, same parking lot, just running the board, answering phones, w/e.

 

[Brokenhearted Bill]

I guess there'll never be another Elkins School of Radio, later Elkins School of Broadcasting. But then the '50s are gone, too.

 

[ISaidSo]

Still waiting on the list of great talent from CSB or ABS........ Come on there must be one. ???

 

[RadioBrat78]

ISS, bear this in mind. The Dallas campus had only been open for a little under 3 years. Not NEAR enough time to build the type of list that someone of your broadcasting achievements would consider worthy. However, there are 4 people working in radio and television that went to that school at the same time. I am one. What is your bent against schools of this type? Why do you have it out for the people who went there to get themselves aquainted (however current the equip. was is not their fault) with radio or TV and it's trappings before trying to begin a career in a field that is possibly foreign to them? I applaud them for taking a step to better themselves and grow in a situation that could make their lives a bit happier.

Let it go, man. Move on with your life.

 

[Davradio2]

According to Houston's KTRK Channel 13-- this story was released by the Associated Press..
Good- bad- or indifferent-- all 25 campus' should be re-opened....

I have no idea how this will work out for the students or for that matter those who were instructors-- but none the less-- its back and for those in class good luck-- for those who think that this is a waste of time- thats your opinion-- and for others-- who don't care-- so be it!

Just a thought
Dave Michaels
Owner
Davradio Productions
KVCE 1160
News/Sports Director

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/national_world&id=6719899

HARTFORD, CT -- Attorney General Richard Blumenthal says the Connecticut School of Broadcasting has agreed to resume classes for 400 students across the country so they can finish their coursework. [EDIT]


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[analog78]

Still waiting on the list of great talent from CSB or ABS........ Come on there must be one. ???

OK, so we've been around for 3 years in Dallas.....

Where is your list.

One National "big shot" love him or hate him is Rush Limbaugh for CSB.....


And there are plenty more. But I'm interested in your list for Dallas.

Personally name dropping bores me, not why I entered the business. But, Game on....

 

[scrtr84]

If I was as over-obsessed with name lists as ISS is, I'd get a life. Lists are meaningless. Personally I'd rather hear from ABS / CSB grads directly, as opposed to someone's list. Thankfully though, I don't share ISS's obsession. ;D

I do agree that "all" training schools serve a purpose. With the economy like it is right now, having skills in many different areas, will come in handy.

 

[board monkey]

I'm an ABS grad. I've had a fairly successful radio career. ABS showed me how to develop my skills as a broadcaster. I did learn about the FCC rules and Regs, digital editing, copy writing, and a few other basic essentials. I used all of these skills and then some as I learned from being in the business over time. There is no way you will go from training school to hosting a show. Now I say this, MANY people go thorugh these schools thinking they are gonna be the next BIG THING. No Way. These tech school teach the "Programming Side" of the house. So if you went straight to promotions either "out of" or while "still in" school your wasting your time. Promo kids come and go by the dozen. I've seen my fair share of ABS and CSB grads come and go. I have worked with probably ten ABS grads in the programming department.

 

[ISaidSo]

Well, like I said despite the 3 years of during out broadcasters you got nothing. All of these great defenders, and NO list.... A whole bunch of good people out a bunch of cash for no reason.... The economy being bad actually hurts those who have got "Jobs" by going to csb and abs... They were the first to go... No full time promotion help, very few if any full time board-ops, The Fan rolling with no producers, just part-time hourly board-ops and intern call screeners.... Not One on-air full time Legit talent in this market...Three years is a long time to not turn out ANY!
Not sure why you guys would choose to defend them.... Unless you just need to justify spending your money, Or why you are still in a business making $8.00 and hour running a board after paying all that cash. I am only out to stop CSB and ABS from ripping off anyone else. PERIOD! I have worked at many stations in my career, and almost 90% of the support staff of these stations have been guys off the street that paid the dues, worked up the latter, and landed full-time gigs. All of you could do that, and never spend one penny at one of these trade schools. That is all I am trying to get across. Thanks for your time. 8)

 

[board monkey]

Well, like I said despite the 3 years of during out broadcasters you got nothing. All of these great defenders, and NO list.... A whole bunch of good people out a bunch of cash for no reason.... The economy being bad actually hurts those who have got "Jobs" by going to csb and abs... They were the first to go... No full time promotion help, very few if any full time board-ops, The Fan rolling with no producers, just part-time hourly board-ops and intern call screeners.... Not One on-air full time Legit talent in this market...Three years is a long time to not turn out ANY!
Not sure why you guys would choose to defend them.... Unless you just need to justify spending your money, Or why you are still in a business making $8.00 and hour running a board after paying all that cash. I am only out to stop CSB and ABS from ripping off anyone else. PERIOD! I have worked at many stations in my career, and almost 90% of the support staff of these stations have been guys off the street that paid the dues, worked up the latter, and landed full-time gigs. All of you could do that, and never spend one penny at one of these trade schools. That is all I am trying to get across. Thanks for your time. 8)

ISS, I agree with you about these schools. I found out after spending my money how to do this fresh off the streets. You do pay your dues when you come out of these schools, because You still have to prove yourself. Your right though, I know of NO ONE that has made it big from ABS.

 

[ISaidSo]

Right on Board Monkey... BTW Let's turn During in my post 8) to Turning. Thanks.

 

[scrtr84]

ISS you cleary don't have a clue. ABS has been around for 37 years! I rank their training program way above that dorky high school station that's still stuck in the 70s musically. I have personally seen both ABS and KEOM training first hand, so I know what I am talking about. Hell with it, ABS has been in operation 12 years longer than KEOM has! KEOM is just an ABS wannabe, and the taxpayers have to foot the bill for it. If you really insist on bashing radio schools, then bash KEOM. Otherwise, STFU!

 

[analog78]

ISS, not defending any phone screeners at the fan, but none are interns, only 2 aren't board ops. And they just hired a producer for Ben and Skin who came from movin and before that Kradick. Again not defending or arguing any points, just sharing info....

 

[ISaidSo]

The 3 years i was referring to was CSB, but if that is true (37 years) then it makes my case even stronger... 37 years, and you can give me Nobody that has come from there that is working in this market... Not One single Legit frontline talent! 37 years!!!! What a amazing rip-off. Please kids, run, run, run from the radio trade schools. KEOM is for high school students you idiot. It is for kids to experience something different, not take money and crank out promotion part-timers, and board-ops. You also, skim over the fact that you don't need the trade schools (ABS being the worst) to get a gig like that in radio. Stop giving them money!

As far as The Fan goes, having a board-op try and produce a talk show in Market 5 is a disgrace, and is why The fan sounds like it does. 8)

 

[scrtr84]

The 3 years i was referring to was CSB, but if that is true (37 years) then it makes my case even stronger... 37 years, and you can give me Nobody that has come from there that is working in this market... Not One single Legit frontline talent! 37 years!!!! What a amazing rip-off. Please kids, run, run, run from the radio trade schools. KEOM is for high school students you idiot. It is for kids to experience something different, not take money and crank out promotion part-timers, and board-ops. You also, skim over the fact that you don't need the trade schools (ABS being the worst) to get a gig like that in radio. Stop giving them money!

As far as The Fan goes, having a board-op try and produce a talk show in Market 5 is a disgrace, and is why The fan sounds like it does. 8)

ISS,

I am FULLY aware that KEOM is for high school students. MY POINT is, anyone in Mesquite who is thinking of taking the KEOM program, will NOT, I repeat NOT, get the same level of training and one-on-one instruction, as they would if they went to ABS. Besides, KEOM is for Mesquite School students only, and interested students have to pass an audition to get in. Students get to take the class for free, meanwhile taxpayers are bilked by the MISD for the KEOM program to survive.

And I will say what I said to you earlier, regarding your demands for lists of folks in the business, here or anywhere, who started their careers as a result of CSB or ABS training: You are over-obsessed! A list of names can be spit up from anywhere, with all the stuffing and cranberrry sauce you could ever want, and be worth less than hearing from an actual former student! If you want REAL proof that CSB or ABS grads went on to major radio careers, then start talking you all your radio buddies (sic) and get them to spread the word that you are looking for proof, and you want (or should I say INSIST?) them to get on radio-info and share their stories personally!!! That is FAR more worthwhile than some stupid list.

But OK since you DEMAND you NEED proof so badly, why don't you call ABS and ask them to share a list of names of their former students who made it big time? Here, I'll even give you the phone number for the Arlington campus: (817) 695-2474 or visit http://radioschool.com/home.htm. I am sure they hear from some of their grads, and can tell you about them.

And one more thing: ABS provides career placement services. KEOM doesn't.

37 years in business, is quite an accomplishemnt for a school you see as a pointless waste of time.

For god sakes man, you need a life!

 

[ISaidSo]

I would hope that a school that pretends to teach radio would at the VERY least do better than a high school program. Although having heard the "Internet broadcasts" of ABS I think that can be debated. The fact that you can't come up with one name, and have to put it back on me proves my point. It is a sad day when a school that takes large amounts of money must be compared to a high school program to prop itself up. What's the prob, KEOM wouldn't take you, but you wasted your money at ABS? You can't argue the real fact that there are more off the street people working in radio than the "Grads" of abs and csb. Wanting the list is just a way to prove my point. ABS and CSB do nothing but take money and train low level support staff all the while selling the fact that they can make you a star. I don't need to ask around about it because I have spent the last 20 years working in this market and I know that they do not exist!. Career Placement? What a joke!!!! Their career placement consist of is running an add, all worded the same mind you, on online broadcast sites that get the student nothing, along with forwarding a email each day with listings that the student could get by doing a simple google search. (The funniest thing you typed was the fact that the High School program doesn't have a career placement service!!!! ;D It is a high school Program, they expect/hope that the students aren't leaving High School to try and get a radio Job! But they would have just as much luck as a ABS Grad!) So stop making your self look ridiculous, and be content with your under-paid gig that you think you got all because ABS taught you how to push the button. 8)

 

[Radioflyer79]

I think everyone is really forgetting one point, any school, ABS, CSB, or college, regardless of the course of study, is only going to train you to the point of getting you to your first interview. I don't care how much wisdom is given to you, and schools like ABS and CSB do give wisdom, you aren't going any farther then the interview unless you have something to offer. You don't need a lot of talent to get in the door, a good PD and APD will help with that. But before they do that, before they even offer you a job, the one thing you better have in great abundance is drive. The will to do a good job and learn as you go along is greater than just a large amount of talent. And if you are thinking that if you don't bring a lot of talent with you, you are destined to fail, that would poor way of thinking. No matter the line of work, if you bring a desire to do well and an aptitude to do the job, you will encounter people along the way that will help you bring out the talent you may have thought you didn't have. And they will offer without you asking. Because anyone willing to help is someone who sees in you what they once were, a new employee wanting to do the best they can.

And if you fail, so what. You tried. And that is what this is all about. You learn by doing. You stub your toe, you learn from it and move on. If anyone goes through life never failing, that means they never tried. If you walk in the door thinking you are the next "big thing" and don't think you really need to apply yourself, well good luck. Just remember, Dick Clark started in the mailroom of WRUN in Utica, NY before he found his fame. Think he was going to amount to anything if he just walked in and demanded everyone step aside because he was there now and watch him grow? And if you think that a job in promotions first is somehow beneath you and your talent, take it if offered. Because you get to look around and think to yourself "Hey. I'm now inside the building." Now the journey can begin. Anyone reading this and recognizing it for what it is, the baseline for all you do in life, you are probably thinking yep, that's true. But for all those who think that educations from schools like ABS and CSB are worthless, then you aren't seeing the full potential. Sure, given the current state off radio, it is easy to get discouraged. But you can’t let that stop you. And much of this has been stated in previous posts. ANY education, regardless of it's origin, is valuable. If you are willing to recognize it and apply it.

For the record, I’ve been in commercial radio since February, 1986. I stepped away for a while in the 90’s and lost all my contacts. When I wanted to get back in the business, I turned to ABS. Sure, I had the experience already, but they helped catch me up and some things. When I stepped away in the 90’s, everything was still carts, reel to reel tapes and CD. I was able to focus on digital editing and catch up on the programming side. I was at the Arlington campus and was able to benefit from instructors like Kenny and Ian. I’ve been with CBS radio since 2003. Am I a shill for ABS? Nope. Just someone who appreciates when someone else takes the time to help. Now, that’s the path I decided to take. If someone takes a different path but gets to where they want to be, great for them. They tried and they succeeded.

Nick Riva