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Could a televised concert trump Trump's big day?

landtuna said:
Do entertainer's political views really impact their careers that much? I can remember the Dixie Chicks getting trashed by a number of their fans because they spoke out about Bush's Iraq invasion but these seem unusual and short-lived. One of my sons was on active duty in the Marines at the time and I remember him literally tossing his 5-CD Dixie Chicks collection out the window of his truck but I wonder if it affected civilians all that much long term?

P.S. I reminded him that he had already paid for those CD's so trashing them didn't affect the Dixie's at all. He was not in the mood to talk. :)
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That's one thing that has turned me off of most awards shows. Too many times they use them as an excuse to spout off about their political views, and in some cases show their ignorance.
 
The Dixie Chicks pretty much committed career suicide with that stunt.
(actually Natalie Maines did it on their behalf). They went from top of the charts
to an act which occasionally turns up at second-and-third tier venues.

Different situation though. That was wartime, and she was making her criticism on foreign soil.
Lots of people with family in the military took offense, regardless of their political affiliations.
 
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FreddyE1977 said:
The Dixie Chicks pretty much committed career suicide with that stunt.
(actually Natalie Maines did it on their behalf). They went from top of the charts
to an act which occasionally turns up at second-and-third tier venues.
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Not according to industry ratings. They have amassed 13 Grammy awards, sold 30+ million albums (of which 27M were in the USA) and are currently the top-selling all female country band.

FreddyE1977 said:
Different situation though. That was wartime, and she was making her criticism on foreign soil.
Lots of people with family in the military took offense, regardless of their political affiliations.
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It wasn't "wartime" for most of America. Our troops were sent into Iraq at the president's direction to remove Saddam Hussein from office. The majority of the American people at that time disapproved of the invasion and preferred a more peaceful solution.

The protest was voiced in London at a concert at which the audience approved even though the British were part of the invasion coalition. I remember very similar reactions by the public at the beginning of the Viet Nam war. The Chicks obviously put their pocketbooks at risk by stating their opposition which is much more dedication (whether you agree with them or not) than a Twitter feed.

For the record I am not now nor was I ever a fan of the Dixie Chicks music.
 
landtuna said:
Not according to industry ratings. They have amassed 13 Grammy awards, sold 30+ million albums (of which 27M were in the USA) and are currently the top-selling all female country band.
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Most of the success was before the statement. They haven't had a hit since. Then again, they haven't released anything in a long time either.

No question they offended some people. The offense had nothing to do with their music, and a lot of those offended had never heard their music.

No question that our politics are polarized, and anyone who associates with either side is potentially offending half of their audience.
 
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landtuna said:
Do entertainer's political views really impact their careers that much? I can remember the Dixie Chicks getting trashed by a number of their fans because they spoke out about Bush's Iraq invasion but these seem unusual and short-lived. One of my sons was on active duty in the Marines at the time and I remember him literally tossing his 5-CD Dixie Chicks collection out the window of his truck but I wonder if it affected civilians all that much long term?

P.S. I reminded him that he had already paid for those CD's so trashing them didn't affect the Dixie's at all. He was not in the mood to talk. :)
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might depend more the political views of the entertainter's fanbase, Trump could just find some has been stars from Branson to play whose fans probably voted for him, but they're probably worried about getting paid
 
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They are still touring but it seems mostly in Canada, Australia and New Zealand. They apparently also do a reasonable amount of TV work.

I do find it interesting that the Bush they protested against virtually disappeared from American life after Obama took office.
 
landtuna said:
I do find it interesting that the Bush they protested against virtually disappeared from American life after Obama took office.
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That's usually what happens when a new president takes power, no?

They toured the US earlier this year but refused to allow any radio promotion of their tour. So it was promoted within their fan base.
 
landtuna said:
They are still touring but it seems mostly in Canada, Australia and New Zealand. They apparently also do a reasonable amount of TV work.

I do find it interesting that the Bush they protested against virtually disappeared from American life after Obama took office.
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I don't. Elder statesman is not a role GW Bush would fit into comfortably, and during the final months of his second term it was obvious that all he wanted to do once that term ended was to go back to Texas and kick back and relax, for life. He seems to be doing an excellent job at that.
 
TheBigA said:
That's usually what happens when a new president takes power, no?
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Bill Clinton never went away. Neither has Jimmy Carter, although his public pronouncements have been less inspired by partisan politics than by his world view and religious underpinnings. And I believe that if Richard Nixon hadn't been found out and undone mid-second-term, he'd have had much to say on all aspects of his successors' performance, particularly on foreign policy, from the day after his spell in office ended.
 
landtuna said:
It wasn't "wartime" for most of America. Our troops were sent into Iraq at the president's direction to remove Saddam Hussein from office. The majority of the American people at that time disapproved of the invasion and preferred a more peaceful solution.
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So they chose to express this disapproval by re-electing him??

Don't try to tell family members who had a loved one come home missing limbs or in a body bag
that it wasn't a war.
 
FreddyE1977 said:
So they chose to express this disapproval by re-electing him??
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There are always multiple reasons for voting for a particular candidate. In the case of Bush I remember the campaign kept beating on the "don't change presidents in the middle of a war (that he began)". Kerry also had plenty of baggage (remember the Swift Boat Veterans?) that made him a suspect candidate.

FreddyE1977 said:
Don't try to tell family members who had a loved one come home missing limbs or in a body bag
that it wasn't a war.
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I am a Viet Nam veteran. You don't need to explain war to me. However, my statement means that on the home front there was no war on. Unlike WWII the people at home did not suffer the privations that a war economy produces. Yes, they could read about it in their morning papers but unless you had a soldier over there, and I did, it was not of paramount concern.
 
firepoint525 said:
Carter seeks it out. Bush doesn't.
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Really? Sources? Every time I see something about Carter he is either working on a House for Humanity or holding a Sunday School class. He does not give speeches and is not interviewed very often. OTOH, Bush primarily gives speeches which tend not to be covered by the media, and for good reason.
 
firepoint525 said:
You answered your own questions.
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Uh, no. The fact that you see Carter in the news from time to time does not indicate he instigated the coverage. I assume the friendly media covers him because their readers/listeners/viewers are interested in him. And actually, the same holds true for Bush. No coverage because ....well, you know.
 
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