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Cox & The Dixie Chicks!!!

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soloflyr1

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From Inside Radio:

Cox Radio's Bob Neil says they never boycotted the Dixie Chicks.
Bob tells Inside Radio "the urban legend that Cox banned them has been proven false over and over again. Our country stations did local - and I stress local - research, and country listeners had a very negative reaction to their music [following the 2003 quote about Bush], and still do today." Neil says "Cox local programmers make these decisions, not corporate people." The Chicks are doing lots of media in advance of their "Shut Up And Sing" movie. They mentioned Cox and Cumulus by name in last night's Larry King interview on CNN.


HaHaHaHaHa :D....local programmers have control over issues like this ::)....HaHaHaHaHaHa ;D....man has the bs ever been any thicker!!! :D

By the way, I'm not a Dixie Chicks fan...couldn't care less one way or another about them, their music or their politics but not particularly a fan of corporate radio bs either.
 
I'm not really a Cox fan, but Bob Neil is exactly right that the Dixie Chicks test negative with country music listeners. It's not BS at all.
 
I would love to have been a fly on the wall at their (Dixie Chicks) record label's offices when Natalie made her brilliant remarks. Whatever those executives and/or promotion people said at the time, I'm sure it came true. She may as well have said "the folks at Sony are a bunch of communists."

Oh well...nothing but "good" came from what she said.
 
AndyWaldrop said:
I would love to have been a fly on the wall at their (Dixie Chicks) record label's offices when Natalie made her brilliant remarks. Whatever those executives and/or promotion people said at the time, I'm sure it came true. She may as well have said "the folks at Sony are a bunch of communists."

Oh well...nothing but "good" came from what she said.
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They are now doing the talk show circuit playing the victim: Liberalism 101. They are confusing censorship with being rejected and having to take responsibility for the fact that some people simply didn't care for what they said.
 
Does anyone actually like their music or is it simply their political views that keep them around?
Not just in a select local market or two but nationwide.
 
I'm not a big fan of thier style of music, but I kind of like thier latest album.
I liked some of their songs before the incident as well.
The latest album and single have done well from what I hear, but I don't know how much the controversy plays into that.

My question regarding the allegations of corporate cencorship lies in the statement that "Cox local programmers make these decisions, not corporate people."
I have read all over these boards that Cox and Cumulus both make programming decisions from the top and they are passed down to local management.
The claim is that the corporate tells the local management what songe to add each week.
Is that true or those false claims made by disgruntled employees?
 
Jay F.....The BS part was that it was a local decision, not corporate, and that is total BS.
 
soloflyr1 said:
Jay F.....The BS part was that it was a local decision, not corporate, and that is total BS.
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The country programmers I have spoken with were all influenced by the huge numbers of listener calls against the DC's after the statements. Many made it the subject of the next day's morning show, put the songs and a question on call out, and yanked the tunes due to listener reaction.
 
Kendromedia said:
Does anyone actually like their music or is it simply their political views that keep them around?
Not just in a select local market or two but nationwide.
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They ARE nice to look at :-*
 
TheLaffer said:
They ARE nice to look at :-*
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NOW we're getting to the heart of the matter!

Okay, you might wanna check this out: www.nj.com/entertainment/ledger/index.ssf?/base/entertainment-0/1161928820141470.xml&coll=1

It's a review of the Chicks' "Shut Up and Sing" documentary. Seems Natalie still can't keep her opinions to herself when it comes to George W. (a dumb ----, she sez).

And as far as Cox's statement about the local programmers having autonomy in the Dixie Chicks matter, we know the truth now, and we knew it then. Cox jumped on the Chicks Bashing Bandwagon just like practically all of them.
 
Sure, everybody knows that the programming is done by corporate & not the local people. Hence the laughter at this statement about it being a local decision.

"Geez", you would think a person that is in charge of a multi-million dollar outfit would at least have the nads to stand up & say...Yes I told them to pull the artist, our research showed that our listeners were upset about the statement & didn't want to hear their music, It was my decision & I stand by it still.

Now a person that would do that is a true leader, someone that can be respected. Instead we get a "hey it wasn't me kind of answer".
 
soloflyr1 said:
Sure, everybody knows that the programming is done by corporate & not the local people. Hence the laughter at this statement about it being a local decision.
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Neraly all stations that are not networked are locally programmed. Upper management sets the format, and progrmmers are supervised, but the progrmming itself is local. Except for very small markets, most research is also local, too.


"Geez", you would think a person that is in charge of a multi-million dollar outfit would at least have the nads to stand up & say...Yes I told them to pull the artist, our research showed that our listeners were upset about the statement & didn't want to hear their music, It was my decision & I stand by it still.
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Since that is untrue, you already know why no such answer is coming....

Now a person that would do that is a true leader, someone that can be respected. Instead we get a "hey it wasn't me kind of answer".
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No, what you would have is a liar.
 
Funny thing about the Dixie Chicks music... I started playing them on DXSRADIO.COM a few weeks ago and I have had a low percentage of complaints about them! Since launching DXSRADIO.COM we have logged over 25,000 visits to the website. While we are not talking about the listenership of KKBQ of KILT, it's still a pretty good number. And unlike how radio research is done, our 25,000 listeners represent a very diverse audience.

My guess is that stations have not really bothered to research the Chicks at all. I believe the tide has turned with regrads to the girls comments about as much as popular opinion about the war has. I would bet you could start playing the Dixie Chicks and not much would happen.

All it takes is some balls...


Dave Crockett
www.dxsradio.com
 
Dave E. Crockett said:
Funny thing about the Dixie Chicks music... I started playing them on DXSRADIO.COM a few weeks ago and I have had a low percentage of complaints about them! Since launching DXSRADIO.COM we have logged over 25,000 visits to the website. While we are not talking about the listenership of KKBQ of KILT, it's still a pretty good number. And unlike how radio research is done, our 25,000 listeners represent a very diverse audience.
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In Houseton in the People Meter, the #1 station has a weekly reach of over 1.5 million people. At any given moment, an average of 35,000 are listening.

My guess is that stations have not really bothered to research the Chicks at all. I believe the tide has turned with regrads to the girls comments about as much as popular opinion about the war has. I would bet you could start playing the Dixie Chicks and not much would happen.
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The country FMs in Houston do at least 2 music tests a year per station and probably have several cycles of callout a month... and they definitely know whether to play the DCs or not.
 
OLD GRINGO MASTER OF THE GRAND ILLUSION Forte? Spanish radio
Expertise in Country music? zero,zip,nada
"Now a person that would do that is a true leader, someone that can be respected. Instead we get a "hey it wasn't me kind of answer".

No, what you would have is a liar.

The last line is a self admited statement of The master of grand Illusion david edward frackleton gleason. He spins, he fabricates,he cuts and pastes the ideas of others and blends them to call his own.
The Master of Grand Illusion.....avoid when you want to discuss knowledgable radio broadcasting.
 
klifhanger said:
OLD GRINGO MASTER OF THE GRAND ILLUSION Forte? Spanish radio
Expertise in Country music? zero,zip,nada
"Now a person that would do that is a true leader, someone that can be respected. Instead we get a "hey it wasn't me kind of answer".

No, what you would have is a liar.
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Nice try, but for a number of years I worked with Rusty Walker and Phil Hunt to do a #1 country station in Florida... attending the CRS for about 5 years running.

And I know a lot of programmers at the corporate and regional levels... all of whom confirm that the DC issue was based on local listener compalints.
 
Hey Gringo,

I never said the local stations didn't do research, but if you think any local programmer gets to make the decision without the corporate good fellas giving their blessing then all I can say to that is pass the pipe your hitting because I could use a mind bender right about now.

As far as Rusty Walker goes, nice man, strong reputation, can make recommendations on what to play or not play but even he has to get the nod from corporate before anything can happen.
 
Local, corporate, researched or not, the Chicks latest album rocks. Maybe that's why country's not playing it. The real ******* are the Rock pds not playing it. It is a masterpiece.
 
soloflyr1 said:
Hey Gringo,

I never said the local stations didn't do research, but if you think any local programmer gets to make the decision without the corporate good fellas giving their blessing then all I can say to that is pass the pipe your hitting because I could use a mind bender right about now.

As far as Rusty Walker goes, nice man, strong reputation, can make recommendations on what to play or not play but even he has to get the nod from corporate before anything can happen.
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The day to day running of stations, including adds, dropps, direccting talent, local promotions, etc., etc., are done locally. Only major things like repostioning or changing a format, changing a morning show, etc., are done in collaboration with a corporate PD because the right decision is critical. Of course, many companies have format-specific music conferences to exchange information between PDs, but that is a benefit without the hype of the trades. In most cases, corporate people aid the local station, not control it.
 
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