Cox & The Dixie Chicks!!!

[lash]

Where was I advocating announcers choosing their own music? And you mean to tell me that the new Movin format is not using national music research? It, and the variety hits formats (Jack, Bob etc.) are ALL using national research for all of their cities.

I certainly will read Mr. Sklar's book. John Long programmed WAPE and brought the Greaseman to Jacksonville, and also programmed WHBQ, bringing Rick Dee's on board. Go read the book and you might learn something.

I'll share one last thing. Won't name names however. One of the top consultants in the country has failed at least twice in his hometown.

Strong program directors, certainly don't need consultants. Case closed!

And you did catch me on one thing. Corporate radio sucks!

 

[OldiesCat]

consultants

Think of a Consultant as the architect of a new house. The architect can only design and perhaps build the house. It's up to the homeowner to to make the house a home. Thus, it's up to local management to take a (for instance) MOVIN' and customize the concept for their home market.

Any Programmer or GM who just takes a Consultant's template and doesn't customize it and tailor it to their market should be hung. That's their fault, not the Consultant's.

 

[lash]

Good post! However I choose to be the contractor. Even built two stations from scratch, with my bare hands. Why waste money on a sub-contractor, when you can build the house yourself.

Learned from the best, and have taught some of the best.

 

[OldiesCat]

however

How many homes are ever built without subs? Very, very few.

That's not to say every radio station needs a consultant. But to just blanket trash all consultants as the reason corporate radio sucks, that's just sour grapes. Blame your GM or PD for a station's failire-rarely (if ever) is it really & truly the consultant's fault.

 

[lash]

I didn't blanket trash consultants. In a post I said consultants, research and corporate radio.

 

[radiofriend1]

I didn't blanket trash consultants. In a post I said consultants, research and corporate radio.

sure looked like u trashed consultants, research and corporate radio to most of us

so ironic the **everybody sux but me** defense

 

[lash]

I said all three, not just consultants. How many of you posting here even work in the radio business? How many own stations? How many even program a radio station?

I make mistakes daily, but learn from them. Sorry, don't need a consultant sitting in Phoenix, to tell me right from wrong in Tennessee. I'll say it again. What a complete waste of my money that would be.

Now I'm going to go and tune in Oldies Cats radio station and listen to the same researched 300 songs over and over again.

 

[radiofriend1]

I said all three, not just consultants. How many of you posting here even work in the radio business? How many own stations? How many even program a radio station?

I make mistakes daily, but learn from them. Sorry, don't need a consultant sitting in Phoenix, to tell me right from wrong in Tennessee. I'll say it again. What a complete waste of my money that would be.

Now I'm going to go and tune in Oldies Cats radio station and listen to the same researched 300 songs over and over again.

well duh i'd say since this is a duh RADIO BOARD, probably none of us have ever like been in radio, we don't know crap and U (apparently) have all the answers

 

[lash]

Certainly do not know all the answers! Just trying to save radio in my little corner of the world, and have some fun doing it. Getting radio to do a format flip, name change, first of the year at our station. Putting the fun back in radio!

Perhaps I am arrogant after owning stations all these years. Put it sure beats working for the big companies. It sure beats reading all the posts in the different markets of people losing their radio jobs.

 

[smashedcd]

i am a dixie chicks fan. i dont listen to fm country radio. what a horrible format. its ok if jackson brown or bruce springsteen bashes bush but its not ok if the chicks do? wtf?

 

[country24]

Country fans don't care who Jackson Brown or Bruce Springsteen bash because they don't listen to Jackson Brown or Bruce Springsteen anyway. The Dixie Chicks music plays to a different aucience who have different values and different political opinions. And they do care who the artists they listen to bash.

I suspect that Jackson Brown or Bruce Springsteen fans also care who the artists they listen to bash, but it isn't the same people.

 

[OldiesCat]

question for Dixie Chicks & Springsteen haters

I've been reading lots on this and other boards and the question has occoured to me, "why is it 'bashing' when differing opinions are voiced"? In the U.S.A., it is not only O.K. to disagree with our government, but it is a right protected by our nation's constitution.

I wonder how many of you who are quick to criticize The Dixie Chicks were also singing along to the great protest songs of the sixties and/or were scared to death of being drafted and sent to Vietnam? Great protest music and political protests have helped shape our nation over the decades and centuries. Just because we may disagree with what they say doesn't mean we shouldn't also applaud the courage it took for them to say it.

Besides, if we all think exactly alike, we're no different than, say, North Korea, China, Russia, etc., where everybody is supposed to think and say just what the government tells them to say and think. I don't know about you, but I sure as heck don't want to live in a country like that.

 

[smashedcd]

Re: question for Dixie Chicks & Springsteen haters

I've been reading lots on this and other boards and the question has occoured to me, "why is it 'bashing' when differing opinions are voiced"? In the U.S.A., it is not only O.K. to disagree with our government, but it is a right protected by our nation's constitution.

I wonder how many of you who are quick to criticize The Dixie Chicks were also singing along to the great protest songs of the sixties and/or were scared to death of being drafted and sent to Vietnam? Great protest music and political protests have helped shape our nation over the decades and centuries. Just because we may disagree with what they say doesn't mean we shouldn't also applaud the courage it took for them to say it.

Besides, if we all think exactly alike, we're no different than, say, North Korea, China, Russia, etc., where everybody is supposed to think and say just what the government tells them to say and think. I don't know about you, but I sure as heck don't want to live in a country like that.

we agree and are thise tigers..the lsu tigers ;D

 

[john77]

i am a dixie chicks fan. i dont listen to fm country radio. what a horrible format. its ok if jackson brown or bruce springsteen bashes bush but its not ok if the chicks do? wtf?

It's not OK for Jackson Brown, the Boss or the chicks to bash on anyone, let alone the President.

The problem with the chicks isn't so much they bashed on Bush, it's what the did post-incident... they bashed on their own fans, and also Country music stations - even those that CONTINUED to support them after the incident!!! Other things, such as the shots at other Country artists like Toby Keith, and that infamous porn magazine cover a few years back have hurt them as well.

They are reaping what they have sown... to the tune of 14 cancelled US dates, and attendance which in many cities is 50% or less of what it was on their last major US tour. Their album is struggling in the lower half of the album chart only 6 months after release... it's not even at 30% of the units their last commercial release sold. All in all, you would have to consider this project a huge commercial flop.

 

[radiofriend1]

i am a dixie chicks fan. i dont listen to fm country radio. what a horrible format. its ok if jackson brown or bruce springsteen bashes bush but its not ok if the chicks do? wtf?

It's not OK for Jackson Brown, the Boss or the chicks to bash on anyone, let alone the President.

The problem with the chicks isn't so much they bashed on Bush, it's what the did post-incident... they bashed on their own fans, and also Country music stations - even those that CONTINUED to support them after the incident!!! Other things, such as the shots at other Country artists like Toby Keith, and that infamous porn magazine cover a few years back have hurt them as well.

They are reaping what they have sown... to the tune of 14 cancelled US dates, and attendance which in many cities is 50% or less of what it was on their last major US tour. Their album is struggling in the lower half of the album chart only 6 months after release... it's not even at 30% of the units their last commercial release sold. All in all, you would have to consider this project a huge commercial flop.

get over it. it's america. it's OK to disagree with the president, even publicly. and if u have this thing about "celebs shouldn't voice their political opinions", please tell me where this is in our constitution, that because you're famous or in the public eye U don't have the right to be vocal.

finally, their CD did hit #1 its first week in release. u are under the dillusion that the dixie chicks career is in ruins and they are about to go on welfare. far from it. they understand the situation, the consequences. do we only speak out in america when we're sure everybody will agree with us, when we know it won't cost us anything? that's called being politically-correct, something right wingers are supposed to abhore.

can't have it both ways you know

 

[john77]

i am a dixie chicks fan. i dont listen to fm country radio. what a horrible format. its ok if jackson brown or bruce springsteen bashes bush but its not ok if the chicks do? wtf?

It's not OK for Jackson Brown, the Boss or the chicks to bash on anyone, let alone the President.

The problem with the chicks isn't so much they bashed on Bush, it's what the did post-incident... they bashed on their own fans, and also Country music stations - even those that CONTINUED to support them after the incident!!! Other things, such as the shots at other Country artists like Toby Keith, and that infamous porn magazine cover a few years back have hurt them as well.

They are reaping what they have sown... to the tune of 14 cancelled US dates, and attendance which in many cities is 50% or less of what it was on their last major US tour. Their album is struggling in the lower half of the album chart only 6 months after release... it's not even at 30% of the units their last commercial release sold. All in all, you would have to consider this project a huge commercial flop.

get over it. it's america. it's OK to disagree with the president, even publicly. and if u have this thing about "celebs shouldn't voice their political opinions", please tell me where this is in our constitution, that because you're famous or in the public eye U don't have the right to be vocal.

finally, their CD did hit #1 its first week in release. u are under the dillusion that the dixie chicks career is in ruins and they are about to go on welfare. far from it. they understand the situation, the consequences. do we only speak out in america when we're sure everybody will agree with us, when we know it won't cost us anything? that's called being politically-correct, something right wingers are supposed to abhore.

can't have it both ways you know

The VAST majority of the sales of TTLW were in the first 3 weeks of release, and if you look around, you'll see lots of stories of people picking up 5,10, even 20 of their CD's just to make a point during the initial weeks it was out... It hasn't even moved 3/4 of a million units it's past 23 weeks of release!!! It's a HUGE flop in most people's books, especially when you consider what their previous efforts did. Most critics said 3x Platinum was a given with TTLW and truth be told is they are struggling to get to even 2x Platinum... Their movie is doing horrifically bad, they are playing to arenas that aren't selling close to the number of tickets as they sold last tour and they only got a "smattering" of applause at the AMA's the other night, unlike the rest of the performers...

You can attempt to spin it however you like, the numbers don't lie though, and from a numbers perspective the current Dixie Chicks album, movie and concert sales say they are a commercial failure when compared to their past success.

 

[john77]

no it's called **THE RADICAL RIGHT WING CONSERVATIVE LEMMINGS** manipulated the system--------again

I'm not a radical right wing conservative but their action was still uncalled for and I hope I never hear them again.

Natalie Maines= Stupid, Stubborn, Arrogant.

Exactly.

 

[radiofriend1]

i am a dixie chicks fan. i dont listen to fm country radio. what a horrible format. its ok if jackson brown or bruce springsteen bashes bush but its not ok if the chicks do? wtf?

It's not OK for Jackson Brown, the Boss or the chicks to bash on anyone, let alone the President.

The problem with the chicks isn't so much they bashed on Bush, it's what the did post-incident... they bashed on their own fans, and also Country music stations - even those that CONTINUED to support them after the incident!!! Other things, such as the shots at other Country artists like Toby Keith, and that infamous porn magazine cover a few years back have hurt them as well.

They are reaping what they have sown... to the tune of 14 cancelled US dates, and attendance which in many cities is 50% or less of what it was on their last major US tour. Their album is struggling in the lower half of the album chart only 6 months after release... it's not even at 30% of the units their last commercial release sold. All in all, you would have to consider this project a huge commercial flop.

get over it. it's america. it's OK to disagree with the president, even publicly. and if u have this thing about "celebs shouldn't voice their political opinions", please tell me where this is in our constitution, that because you're famous or in the public eye U don't have the right to be vocal.

finally, their CD did hit #1 its first week in release. u are under the dillusion that the dixie chicks career is in ruins and they are about to go on welfare. far from it. they understand the situation, the consequences. do we only speak out in america when we're sure everybody will agree with us, when we know it won't cost us anything? that's called being politically-correct, something right wingers are supposed to abhore.

can't have it both ways you know

The VAST majority of the sales of TTLW were in the first 3 weeks of release, and if you look around, you'll see lots of stories of people picking up 5,10, even 20 of their CD's just to make a point during the initial weeks it was out... It hasn't even moved 3/4 of a million units it's past 23 weeks of release!!! It's a HUGE flop in most people's books, especially when you consider what their previous efforts did. Most critics said 3x Platinum was a given with TTLW and truth be told is they are struggling to get to even 2x Platinum... Their movie is doing horrifically bad, they are playing to arenas that aren't selling close to the number of tickets as they sold last tour and they only got a "smattering" of applause at the AMA's the other night, unlike the rest of the performers...

You can attempt to spin it however you like, the numbers don't lie though, and from a numbers perspective the current Dixie Chicks album, movie and concert sales say they are a commercial failure when compared to their past success.

the only people calling their latest cd a flop are their critics. and theres good news for U-- THE CHICKS AREN'T LOSING SLEEP OVER YOUR OPINION OF THEM

btw-their early success was stunning. how many acts, regardless of format, become one of the best-selling of their genre right out of the gate but throughout their career they keep topping what they've done previously?

(answer: VERY, VERY FEW)

 

[lash]

Its a shame that radio has not forgiven the girls. I watched a recent CMT concert with them, and they brought back to life to me how talented they are.

 

[country24]

"In the U.S.A., it is not only O.K. to disagree with our government, but it is a right protected by our nation's constitution. ...Just because we may disagree with what they say doesn't mean we shouldn't also applaud the courage it took for them to say it."

I agree that disagreeing with the president, the Dixie Chicks or anyone else is a constitutionally protected right. As far as I know no one has said it isn't. But I don't see the logic in feeling obligated to applaud someone for having the courage to say someting really stupid.